Hot Toys Samuel L. Jackson head sculpt recast for Mace

[DarkArtist81]

I was thinking that exact same thing. I'm going to try and track down that head, make a mold... and THEN do a Nick Fury AND a Jules and make molds of them. I can see a lot of life coming from that one head.

 

[Lee in MI]

You can count me in for as many variations of Sam J. that you guys can crank out! Especially if they will be painted by CustomMikey or DA!

 

[rockdolly]

Me too!

 

[drod26]

man a Jules sculpt would get so awesome...

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[yruh8n]

I can't believe people are endorsing this idea. Folks recasting is recasting. That is a great sculpt, no doubt, but recasting it is as wrong as buying a head from one of the custom artist on the board and making your own mold and selling it. Modifying the head for your own collection is fine, but making molds and selling modified castings is the same as recasting in my opinion. There are a lot of honest hard working artist who are being ripped off by recasting every day. When things like this are endorsed in any way, it gives the recasting thieves more ammunition to justify their practices. Think about it.

 

[uscmhicks]

I can't believe people are endorsing this idea. Folks recasting is recasting. That is a great sculpt, no doubt, but recasting it is as wrong as buying a head from one of the custom artist on the board and making your own mold and selling it. Modifying the head for your own collection is fine, but making molds and selling modified castings is the same as recasting in my opinion. There are a lot of honest hard working artist who are being ripped off by recasting every day. When things like this are endorsed in any way, it gives the recasting thieves more ammunition to justify their practices. Think about it.

so your saying if someone buys this head themselves ...
modifys it .. say to look like Jackson from Pulp Fiction then sells casts thats wrong ?.

If so , I disagree.
That would make nearly all the custom artists on this board recasters ( in a bad way ).

 

[LOPIE]

I can't believe people are endorsing this idea. Folks recasting is recasting. That is a great sculpt, no doubt, but recasting it is as wrong as buying a head from one of the custom artist on the board and making your own mold and selling it. Modifying the head for your own collection is fine, but making molds and selling modified castings is the same as recasting in my opinion. There are a lot of honest hard working artist who are being ripped off by recasting every day. When things like this are endorsed in any way, it gives the recasting thieves more ammunition to justify their practices. Think about it.

Look all I wanted was a decent head sculpt of Mace, and since SS didn’t do a good job and Hot Toys doesn’t have the license for Star Wars it’s up to whoever can do it. It’s called Free Market Enterprise. If you can build a better mouse trap then people will buy it. I don’t have a problem with Josh or anyone wanting to make his own cast. In fact I hope he “Josh” gets it done before I do, so I can buy one from him and have him paint one for me. And if you want to get in to ethics, then no recasting should be done of any kind, that’s steeling from SS, Medicom, and Hot Toys. It would be like boot legging CD. IMO.
2nd I know a lot of artist use their gifts to subsidize their income and if they have a problem with this I have enough respect for their talent to shut this thread down ASAP. Last thing I want to do is take money from artists that are trying to feed their families and pay their bills. But that’s up to them if they want me to stop. It’s a win, win situation as I see. We freaks get an awesome head sculpt and it gives the artists one more thing to paint. And if someone else wants do it and it looks killer, great. That why America is so great, let the free market reign.

 

[yruh8n]

so your saying if someone buys this head themselves ...
modifys it .. say to look like Jackson from Pulp Fiction then sells casts thats wrong ?.

If so , I disagree.
That would make nearly all the custom artists on this board recasters ( in a bad way ).

That's my opinion. Most may disagree. This is the exact excuse diver4 uses for selling all his recasted heads. He "slightly" modified the sculpts so he feels justified in selling what is primarily someone else's work. There are some great customizers on this site and I am not trying to knock their talent or their work. I just don't think it's right to sculpt some hair on that Jackson head and sell castings of it. If someone has the ability to do that they should go the extra mile and create a new sculpt, using the other head as reference instead of using it outright. Ask a few sculptors how they feel about it. I know a few really good portrait sculptors who wont go near custom heads for this very reason. If this is an accepted practice here and everyone is comfortable with it, I've said my peace. I personally wont support it, but if everyone is okay with it, ignore my objection.

 

[The Boot]

In no way should this be considered an endorsement of recasting , but...

...it does look pretty sweet.

 

[LOPIE]

In no way should this be considered an endorsement of recasting , but...

..it does look pretty sweet.

 

[dwing]

First that pic above looks unreal.

Second this is a difficuly subject. I disagree with Diver4 and BionicJoe selling cast and have emailed them telling them so. I have seen little reworking of the sculpts that modify them. There are a few points on how I think about recasting.
-If there is a current sculpt avalible(not recast) buy it even if it cost you alittle more.
-I have really no issue with a recast of a sculpt from a large company that is no longer selling the figure (maybe +5 years old).
-I don't like recasting of any kind on personal sculpts-C.Howes,Soverign or others.
-If a small group of customizers(say what we have here) want to make a modified sculpt and cast it just for the 5 or 6 of them without selling the cast for profit--I don't really have an issue with this.
In the end it comes down to this. If someone will lose out $$-don't buy a recast. Example: Don't buy a C.Howes Joker, recast it 5 times, add real hair and then sell them for profit. Buy 5 sculpts, add hair and sell them for whatever you want-they belong to you.
You can't buy a ToyPresidents figure from the company anymore(from what I know). If you really want a Bush Jr and one offers one-who does that hurt? Just my opinion.

 

[uscmhicks]

That's my opinion. Most may disagree. This is the exact excuse diver4 uses for selling all his recasted heads. He "slightly" modified the sculpts so he feels justified in selling what is primarily someone else's work. There are some great customizers on this site and I am not trying to knock their talent or their work. I just don't think it's right to sculpt some hair on that Jackson head and sell castings of it. If someone has the ability to do that they should go the extra mile and create a new sculpt, using the other head as reference instead of using it outright. Ask a few sculptors how they feel about it. I know a few really good portrait sculptors who wont go near custom heads for this very reason. If this is an accepted practice here and everyone is comfortable with it, I've said my peace. I personally wont support it, but if everyone is okay with it, ignore my objection.

I understand everyone has their own opinion.
The way I see it is unless the original sculptor says they don't want there sculpt touching and you modify it , its fine.
This may come out to sound wrong and I don't mean this in a bad way at all but in this occasion with hot toys selling this figue with such an awesome Jackson sculpt ( from an unpopular movie ) this is bound to happen anyway.
Wheter the person doing it thinks its right or wrong.

 

[DarkArtist81]

I understand that recasting is wrong in some instances, like buying a custom head from another artist and making a mold just to sell it... that's wrong.

BUT, buying a head from a figure that is officially released... and modifying that head, even if it is as simple as just sanding off a beard or changing the hair... you then have done actual work on that head and it's now just as much your art as the original creator.

I wouldn't do that to a custom head though, no matter what. But to a stock head from a company? That's been the bread and butter of customizers for years. I can't sculpt a face to save my life, it's not my talent at all. SO if I can find a great face to mod, I will do it.

My Joker was such a mod, my Myers, Jasons, Two Face, Freeze, Hell... ALL of my stuff has been a modification of an existing sculpt in some way. But do I consider myself a recaster? Nope.

You do what you have to do to get the job done, as long as it doesn't ruin work from a colleague. And since I buy the heads originally from Ebay, and the seller bought a figure to part it out... the company who produced it still got paid for the part they played in the creation of the new artwork... so it all evens out to me.