House of Cards

[Vivek]

House of Cards returns with season 2 on February 14, 2014.

I went from admiring Frank Underwood to despising him towards the end of season 1. I wonder if they will be able to bring him down.

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[karamazov80]

Yeah, the audience is clearly meant to realize that this is a despicable human being at this point. It took Walter White a lot longer to get there, but I am all for several seasons of totally evil Underwood.

 

[316what]

Finished Season 2 last night and all I can say is WOW!!!!!!

Now such a long wait for Season 3.


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[batfan08]

I just finished season 2, and, while I must admit that Frank's pretty despicable, I'd vote for him. He might sully his hands, but that's only because he never lets anything stand in the way of him getting to where he wants to be. I can only imagine what sort of stuff he'd be able to get done now that he's reached his peak. Suffice it to say, if you despised Underwood in the first season, you'll despise him even more in season 2 (in less than 2 episodes, I might add).

 

[Phil Sierra]

Just started watching this on Netflix last weekend. I'm already on season 2 episode 9. Great show.

 

[tamato]

Just finished S2, holy hell that's an awesome show! Gotta find a way to get Walter White and Frank Underwood in the same room... I'm thinking, world domination?!!!

 

[SwedishHeat]

I just finished season 2, and, while I must admit that Frank's pretty despicable, I'd vote for him.

You're just being silly, right??

The guy has murdered two people.

 

[batfan08]

You're just being silly, right??

The guy has murdered two people.

When I wrote that, I was. With that being said, it does get you thinking. If this guy is so committed to seeing things through that he won't let anything, or anyone, get in the way of progress, what would he do once he made his way to where he wanted to be. He goes from being House Majority Whip to being promised Secretary of State. When they reneg, does he lay down and die? Far from it; he takes control of every angle and goes even bigger, eventually taking on the VP position.

Season 2 talk:

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This is a guy who managed to go from House Majority Whip to President of the United States within, probably, two years, and he didn't even have to get elected. Is Frank a morally abhorrent, unethical, murderous, conniving *******? Hell yes he is. Is he also a damn good politician? I'd say so. So, while I was joking, now, I'm not so sure. That kind of devotion to seeing things through makes me very curious as to what sort of White House he'll be running in Season 3. We've seen just what he's capable of, politically, with his education reform and energy bills, and that's when he's at half concentration (the majority of his mind was seemingly busy plotting his Machiavellian master plans). For the most part, the guy managed to unite the Congress, so, imagine what he'd be capable of with total executive authority.

No doubt, what he did to Zoe Barnes and Peter Russo was horrible, but I don't think he's bloodthirsty. It's cliche, but the first thing that comes to mind is "nothing personal, just business." They stood in the way of progress, so, he removed them from the equation. Is that a totally sociopathic thing to say? Absolutely, but take a look at our nation's history. Our Government slaughtered Native Americans for the same (possibly worse) reasons. I'm still not saying it's right, but I'm just saying that, even though he killed them, it's not like Dexter's in the White House, and, really, the murders aren't really relevant to the situation, as I was thinking objectively from the stance of someone in that universe who didn't know what he did. Judging Frank Underwood purely as a Politician; I probably would vote for him.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I finally started watching this show last week. Almost finished with season 1 and am pleasantly surprised at how great it is. Kevin Spacey is fantastic as Frank--great actor, great character, and great writing.

 

[SwedishHeat]

When I wrote that, I was. ]

Okay, that's fine.

I disagree with everything else you said, and that's fine, too.

 

[batfan08]

Why is that? I'm saying to think outside of the context of the viewer; think from the perspective of the voter. Setting aside what kind of person we know Frank to be, he's a pretty damn good politician who knows how to get things done, is he not?

 

[SwedishHeat]

Why is that? I'm saying to think outside of the context of the viewer; think from the perspective of the voter. Setting aside what kind of person we know Frank to be, he's a pretty damn good politician who knows how to get things done, is he not?

I can't set aside what kind of person he is when I cast my vote.

I voted against the incumbent Congressman in my district because I knew he was corrupt, who ironically enough was deputy whip. It was irrelevant to me what he had accomplished.

I'm not going to turn a blind eye to someone's extracurriculars even if they're able to bring more jobs to my community. . . at what cost do those jobs come?? Look what he did to Peter Russo. Frank doesn't "help" anyone but himself. He's the epitome of what's wrong with our (dramatized) government.

Kevin Spacey was on The Daily Show the other day and he talked a bit about how politicians are "performance art", and I was a bit dismayed by it, but not surprised. You can watch it here.

 

[batfan08]

No, I'm not saying to set aside what you know about him as a viewer, but what I'm saying is to let down the veil of ignorance. As a viewer, you know more about these people than anyone ever will; Frank's a killer, Bruce Wayne is Batman; you're in on the big secret, but let's assume that Frank existed in our world. House of Cards wouldn't exist; he'd just be a politician to us, and we'd have no idea what he did. You're telling me that his accomplishments on the hill wouldn't warrant some sort of merit?

 

[batfan08]

That was a great interview, and I agree; I'm not surprised at all, actually. Make no mistake, I don't put much faith in these people, but I'm talking about everyday average Joe Friday walking into the polls come November with his head so far up his *** he can see his heart beating.

 

[SwedishHeat]

No, I'm not saying to set aside what you know about him as a viewer, but what I'm saying is to let down the veil of ignorance. As a viewer, you know more about these people than anyone ever will; Frank's a killer, Bruce Wayne is Batman; you're in on the big secret, but let's assume that Frank existed in our world. House of Cards wouldn't exist; he'd just be a politician to us, and we'd have no idea what he did. You're telling me that his accomplishments on the hill wouldn't warrant some sort of merit?

Not trying to cop-out of an answer, but it's near impossible to take the context of the show out of this situation. I can't (or don't want to) believe that I live in a world where someone like Frank Underwood could become president with the public being completely ignorant to what he does behind closed doors. We live in a world with "birth certificates" and "swift boating". Certainly, with the enemies list that Frank had made, information would have gotten out.

What you're asking me is contradictory, assume that Frank Underwood exists in the real world, but then assume that government and press that allowed him to operate the way he did in the fictional world, also exist in the real world. It's cognitive dissonance, it makes my brain hurt. It's like what would happen in the real world if Bruce Wayne existed. . . of course people would realize that he's Batman, with the amount of surveillance, even from civillians, the paparazzi would find out in a few weeks . . . .there's just no way no one would know that Bruce Wayne is Batman. No one would even try something like that because the guy that trained him, or flew him to Nepal, would sell out to People magazine in one hot minute.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

The tab for season 3 is already on IMBD

 

[batfan08]

Not trying to cop-out of an answer, but it's near impossible to take the context of the show out of this situation. I can't (or don't want to) believe that I live in a world where someone like Frank Underwood could become president with the public being completely ignorant to what he does behind closed doors. We live in a world with "birth certificates" and "swift boating". Certainly, with the enemies list that Frank had made, information would have gotten out.

What you're asking me is contradictory, assume that Frank Underwood exists in the real world, but then assume that government and press that allowed him to operate the way he did in the fictional world, also exist in the real world. It's cognitive dissonance, it makes my brain hurt. It's like what would happen in the real world if Bruce Wayne existed. . . of course people would realize that he's Batman, with the amount of surveillance, even from civillians, the paparazzi would find out in a few weeks . . . .there's just no way no one would know that Bruce Wayne is Batman. No one would even try something like that because the guy that trained him, or flew him to Nepal, would sell out to People magazine in one hot minute.

That's fair, I guess. I can see how it can be difficult to disregard your previous awareness of a world/situations/circumstance. Hell, I'm a little confused myself.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Bring it.

 

[quadcent]

cant wait........great show

 

[filip629]

cant wait........great show

Yeah, I binge watched the 1st 2 seasons because I just couldn't get enough. Can't wait to do the same for season 3. Looking forward to this and DD on Netflix.