How do you rank the Terminator?

[Bezzerkerr]

One thing that's cool about T3 is that even though it came out in 2003 it still feels like more of an 80's flick than T2. Not that that makes it a better (or remotely equal) movie of course, but still cool nonetheless.

I hear ya.

The police chase with the GIANT CRANE destroying the city and the Bathroom fight scene rescue this film from failure. The destruction in the chase scene is just

...but it's still nowhere close to the 1 & 2

 

[damagecase]

On the reprogramming of a T-800...I don't see it happening. Skynet would have too many safe guards in place. Further, how did the resistance capture a T-800? I mean the only way it was slowed in T:S was by molten steel and that isn't something a rag tag group like the resistance would be able to replicate easily.
My complaints on T2 aren't because of EF or John Connor but the amount of variables necessary to arrive at that point are so high. The only justification I can give for it is that by Reese going back in time it completely disrupted his future. In effect, giving the machines a second chance by mere accident...
Now if Sarah Connor would have been terminated and John Connor would never have been born...then there could have been sequals.

 

[DiFabio]

I agree with all. I have no problem with John acting the way he does for the reason you state. And although villain Arnie was really cool, hero Arnie was no less so. As you say he was reprogrammed and given new orders by young john. Villain T-800s behaviour would have been exactly like this had that particular T-800 been likewise reprogrammed. Sure he didn't happen to kill anyone in the bar scene before John told him he couldn't kill but he was going to kill the 2 jocks later on and John had to stop him. I don't see the problem.

Another misconception people seem to have is that by the end of the film he has learnt to feel human emotion. He hasn't. He has simply learnt what kinds of things trigger particular emotions in humans. "I know now why you cry, but its something I can never do". I'm 99% certain he isn't merely saying that he cannot produce tears.

You can prefer to watch villain T-800 but as far as I'm concerned theres no basis to say that the T2 T-800 isn't believable as a Terminator.

Yep, exactly.

Now if the T2 T-800 originally stated "Yes" that he was afraid to go into the steel after Sarah asked if he was afraid, as per the script, then yeah I would agree that Uncle Bob was a complete _____. But they cut that out.

I have no problem with the T-800 being a "good guy". Look how shocked and scared ____less Sarah looked when he came out of that elevator. He still evokes that invincible presence and fear.

And while the T-800 from the first film is destroyed I still think the "character" continues for the most part since the role is played by Arnold. It still embodies the same "character" being that it's the same machine. It's a continuation of the Terminator itself except reprogrammed. It helps a little more given the fact that other than Sarah, John and Dyson everyone in LA believes this is the same nutjob from 1984 that went on a killing spree inside of a police station.

The T2 T-800 even calls the 1984 T-800 the "first Terminator", so he's the second of the same "character" just different.

Skynet would have too many safe guards in place.

"It's defense grid was smashed, we'd won."

 

[quiggle]

I have a question why did Skynet wait ten years before sending T-1000? why didnt they send another one out again right after the first one failed?

 

[DiFabio]

I have a question why did Skynet wait ten years before sending T-1000? why didnt they send another one out again right after the first one failed?

Well it sent the T-1000 and T-800 at the same time, 2029 right? Who the hell knows. Why did Skynet send a Terminator to 1984 and not when Sarah was a kid? Doesn't Reese talk about the documents Skynet had about Sarah and John. Maybe Skynet knew that was when John was alone with foster parents and Sarah couldn't protect him from files and documentations.

 

[Mongoleone]

I have a question why did Skynet wait ten years before sending T-1000? why didnt they send another one out again right after the first one failed?

Why not send it back BEFORE the first terminator so Sarah didn't know about them yet. This is one of those endless "why not" scenarios where we all need to just accept that it is a movie and that is why things happen the way they did.

Although I wouldnt mind seeing them go back even further in time:

T-300 Spartans Salvation

 

[a-dev]

Now if the T2 T-800 originally stated "Yes" that he was afraid to go into the steel after Sarah asked if he was afraid, as per the script, then yeah I would agree that Uncle Bob was a complete _____. But they cut that out.

SO glad they cut that out. That would totally go against "it doesn't feel pity, or remorse or fear" Also it'd come across as a bit mean, Sarah asking him if he was afraid " now you know what its like" - don't tease him he was on your side!

 

[uscmhicks]

Well if anything is going to make you feel fear again it's this. Maybe pity actually.

That was cheap I know.

EDIT :

Actually is that even him ?.

 

[quiggle]

seeing how Linda Hamilton looks today, if I was in a truck and she popped in and told me to get out I'd scram like that guy in Terminator 1.

 

[a-dev]

When you look at T2, a film in such pristine condition that looks like it could have been made yesterday, its a bit of a trick to reconcile what the actors look like in that to what they look like today. Same with the original Star Wars trilogy.

 

[toylion]

When you look at T2, a film in such pristine condition that looks like it could have been made yesterday, its a bit of a trick to reconcile what the actors look like in that to what they look like today. Same with the original Star Wars trilogy.

Maybe if people looked at a photo of what they looked like when this Movie first came out and compared it to one today, it might put things in perspective.

 

[Nintenjoe]

T1
T2
T3
Salvation

 

[MarrowMan]

The Terminator is the best one.

 

[Hex]

T1 is my fav right now.

 

[Mongoleone]

Not sure if anyone already mentioned this, but where's T-2 3D? It's arguably better than the recent sequels.

 

[a-dev]

Wasn't there some gigantic 'Terminator spider' thing in that or is that some peculiar imagined thing of mine? Because if there was such I thing I'd have to declare a fail for T2:3D.

 

[Mongoleone]

Um... ok. You can have an opinion if you want. Not sure how giant liquid metal spider is any less cool than liquid metal police officer though.

 

[a-dev]

I like to be able to believe that something seen in a later installment of a franchise would also have been acceptable and believable had it been in the first - giant liquid metal spider in T1?....No. Just no.

 

[Macularius]

Not sure if anyone already mentioned this, but where's T-2 3D? It's arguably better than the recent sequels.

That's debatable

 

[samueljd]

T1 and T2 are the best and each stand on about equal footing. The other 2 could touch the first 2.