LOL. I know the director on this one has a real good track record. Just give me a competent movie. I don't need the 'BEST MOVIE OF THE DECADE' type level experience.
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)
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I don't know, I'm with @Wor-Gar on this one in the sense that ... maybe that will never happen again. Individually we're all older and in the collective sense ... there's so much more content out now than ever before, a glut of stories and entertainment with things like visual effects peaking ... absolutely, there are stand-out series and films I really, really enjoy for different reasons ... The Batman, Andor, Slow Horses ... all recent releases that come to mind immediately.
There are shows like most of Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad that captivated a huge general audience (I think) ... but 'event' films that people talk about for years and go see ten times? That may be a bygone era at this point.
It feels like the last 'big thing' was Iron Man-to-Endgame and even that didn't seem to pull in everyone the way something like Star Wars or even Jaws or Batman '89 did. It's hard to get perspective on something like this.
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Mangold is definitely better than JJA but Mangold is more Mansilver than Mangold.
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Agree but I think Top Gun Maverick did a fine job of pulling lots of people in who had stopped going to movies.
I wish they left Indy alone after Last Crusade, but Hollywood is gonna Hollywood and milk the cow on every franchise they can.
James Mangold has made some excellent movies, and the writers have a mixed record, but did write 'Ford v Ferarri' and 'Edge of Tomorrow ', so I'm optimistic for something at least good. The problem is with it being Indy, they shouldn't bring him back for anything other than excellent (like Top Gun Maverick), otherwise we're all going to wonder what was the point e.g. Crystal Skulls.
The spectre of Kathleen Kennedy looms over it as well who seems to have the ability to poision any potentially good movie.
I'll give this a chance though and hope for the best, but can it really be Indy with Lucas and Spielberg?
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Things like that bug me to no end. The frakkin' selfish ego of someone completely disregarding everyone else who is there to enjoy the movie. Even looking past the manners... think of all the ticket money people have just spent that the individual is throwing down the drain. I honestly think people who mess around with phones or otherwise ruin the experience should somehow be made to reimburse those for whom the experience was ruined. (I realized that's a hard thing to police, but still...) Those small things, that total disregard for others, is somehow worse than many 'real' crimes because it just eats away at the fabric of society and affects us all.
The first time I saw The Last Jedi, there as a group of yuppie scum sitting in the row in front of us. One idiot had hos phone out with a blaring screen the entire time. So I started kicking the back of his chair (hard) each time he held it up, hoping that he'd get the message. (Surprise, he didn't.) Once the film was over, and the lights came on, I stopped him and let loose. I told him off with such anger in my voice the guy almost peed himself. (Seriously, he probably thought I was gonna kill him or something.) Naturally, everyone else in the theater stayed to watch the spectacle. Once I was done chewing him out, the people there actually applauded!
The first time I saw The Last Jedi, there as a group of yuppie scum sitting in the row in front of us. One idiot had hos phone out with a blaring screen the entire time. So I started kicking the back of his chair (hard) each time he held it up, hoping that he'd get the message. (Surprise, he didn't.) Once the film was over, and the lights came on, I stopped him and let loose. I told him off with such anger in my voice the guy almost peed himself. (Seriously, he probably thought I was gonna kill him or something.) Naturally, everyone else in the theater stayed to watch the spectacle. Once I was done chewing him out, the people there actually applauded!
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That's my fear too. Indy is an extremely important series for me personally, and the rumors I've heard are so appalling that I can't bring myself to see it (or the trailer) until I find out for certain that they are not true. (Mangold has denied them on Twitter... as if he could be trusted any more than Abrams or Smith when it comes to lying about a movie or show.)
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TOD is already of lesser quality when compared to Raiders and TLC is already of lesser quality when compared to Raiders and TOD and KOTCS is already of lesser quality when compared to Raiders, TOD and TLC…..
Will Indy 5 break that downward trend?
I think so.
It certainly won’t be as good as Raiders that’s a given.
And being as good as TLC or TOD is not something to be proud of either now is it especially TLC lol
The disdain here reminds me of the SW fanbase after TLJ came out, something it's still reeling from and only just now gaining momentum back with Andor.
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True, thats cause TLJ took such a heaping dump on the OT characters, incapable of telling anything actually new, or any story and character development, so they convinced themselves betraying ie; subverting who the classic characters were, was "great" story telling.
Hence Han a dead beat loser, so useless now he commits suicide by his own **** brat.
Leia becomes the worst, least inspiring leader, apparently no one wants to follow.
And Luke regressed back to the tree cave, going against everything he learned and was since. Betraying all his learned instinct and experience, to instead become the worst Jedi imaginable, slave to fear, slave to Jedi dogma and text he never once followed, where he used to run towards his friends in need, face and recognize his own darkness no longer fearing it, now he's hiding away like a POS sniveling coward because of it.
These were not recognizable as continuations of the characters we knew.
I appreciate the fan anxiety, that Indiana Jones character will be made to suffer the same "fixing", yet I think they got the wrong guy, Like Gilroy with Andor, I don't think that's what Mangold is doing here, or anything he'd lend himself to.
He's not trying to subvert, reinvent or "fix" the character for the Disney Story Group Agenda. And he's not about JJs empty box story telling, with no planed resolution.
To the contrary he's straight acknowledging who Indy is, a guy who is constantly pushing himself often to far, for better or worse, by desire or necessity, always chasing the next Adventure, the next "prize" .
Despite the miles, and finally the age catching up to him, that is, and should be the character to the last.
Hence, I don't get the complaints about his age. Or the twits parroting those rumors like tools. Out of one side of their face crying he's to old he should be replaced, out the other crying they are going to replace him.
It doesn't look like Mangold is trying or needs to **** on the past to replace it with some clearly derivative characters and garbage, but to the contrary trying to let it go, by celebrating it to the last.
Which is what this should be. Hence I'll give it a fair chance.
And judge it after I see it.
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I know if I am going to a $6 matinee I am going to encounter this unless I hit the first one in the morning and teenagers aren't awake yet. My other option is a $17 ticket at a cinema grill where you get fewer annoying people due to the higher price, but even then while watching Violent Night there was a lady in the row in front of me that had her bare feet reclined up which was disgusting. Would you take off your shoes in a restaurant? Well, yeah she probably would.
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D-box tickets for sure for me.
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If that lady is taking over for Indy i’m going with Casket-box!
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She's likely used more so he has someone to fight with and for, and the incredulous sounding-board to his necessary exposition, and outrageous plans. So he's not fighting for or talking with himself, like Marcus Brody, Sallah, Short Round, Henry et all, yet all characters unto themselves. Same basic character use. She's not there to get his hat or whip.
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I think TLC is a bit better than TOD, so I don't think Indy always had a downward spiral. IMDb has RotLA at 8.4/10, TLC at 8.2/10 and TOD at 7.5/10. I think it's universally acknowledged that TOD is the weakest of the trilogy.
TLC is the #121 best film of all time on IMDb, so it's universally seen as an outstanding film. I don't like every movie IMDb has in its top 250 films, but it's a good indicator of what relatively normal people think.
If it's as good as TOD I'll be happy, and it it's as good as TLC I'll be ecstatic.
Regardless, TLC was a perfect ending and Crystal Skulls diluted the overall quality of the series. I'm hoping this movie significantly adds to the legacy of IJ, otherwise what's the point other than to milk the cow? Hollywood, and in particular Disney don't care about legacy so I'm not surprised and it's their perogative since ultimately they exist to make money for themselves and their shareholders.
TLJ was garbage and deserved the disdain and backlash it received. It was a selfish film made by a selfish (although sometimes excellent) filmaker.
Indy 5 is an unknown and I think most of hope it's a Mando or Andorra, and not a TLJ or Obi-Wan. Lucasfilm in the Disney era has mostly been average quality, but the real fear comes from their blatant disregard to honouring the legacy of their franchises to fit current Hollywood (not the macro world) sensibilities, rather than making timeless stories with timeless themes.
Right there, IMDB has it wrong. Raiders is only 8.4? And only slightly better than LC? Seriously?
Raiders is a near perfect adventure movie. Deserves a 9+ at the very least. I mean, if not Raiders, than what the hell is?
ToD is a far cry from Raiders, true. But I think LC is even further. Suddenly Indy is a family film and the movie is full of inconsistencies, really poor logic, and silly gags. Connery makes the movie... but a jokey buddy-buddy is not the best structure for Indiana Jones. It reminded me of a Roger Moore James Bond movie in its slapstick humor after years of good Connery ones.
For me, each film got progressively worse.
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Only seven movies have an IMDb score of 9 or more. Like it or not, but 964k people have rated it to give it a score of 8.4/10 and a rank of #55.
We're all entitled to our opinions, but the rating of a movie on IMDb is a better reflection of a movie's objective quality than our own biased opinions - it's only wrong in your subjective opinion. Heck, heaps of my personal favourite movies are nowhere near the IMDb top 250, but I don't care. I was just making a statement about how these movies are universally perceived, we're all entitled to our own opinions.
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I can’t agree with this sorry, I’ve studied film most of my life and I can say objectively (lol) that Raiders is one of the best directed films of the modern age. I can provide evidence in the form of pages and pages and pages of my notes why Raiders is one of the greats.
The majority of the people rating on imdb are not serious film students (maybe when it started but not anymore) and can’t be taken seriously. I’ve seen great films get a 6.5 rating on IMDb.
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