Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)

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Right there, IMDB has it wrong. Raiders is only 8.4? And only slightly better than LC? Seriously?

Raiders is a near perfect adventure movie. Deserves a 9+ at the very least. I mean, if not Raiders, than what the hell is?

ToD is a far cry from Raiders, true. But I think LC is even further. Suddenly Indy is a family film and the movie is full of inconsistencies, really poor logic, and silly gags. Connery makes the movie... but a jokey buddy-buddy is not the best structure for Indiana Jones. It reminded me of a Roger Moore James Bond movie in its slapstick humor after years of good Connery ones.

For me, each film got progressively worse.
I hate Raiders.... **** film:monkey3:monkey3
 
Finished the Indy trilogy with my son today. He thoroughly loved all 3 but Raiders was his favourite.
He asked if there were any more after Crusade, I said no.
I did tell him about this one and he's excited for it. Bless him, he's young and assumes it will be as good as the originals.
Though I'm perfectly content to wait for D+ on this one, I may end up seeing this at the cinema after all, with my son.
Likewise, I will go with my eight year old daughter. Which means a lot to me, I actually had a sense of pride when she agreed to see a rerun of ROTJ at the flicks with me a couple of years ago. If I can share with her what movies used to be like, that’s a big win for me!
 
Goldfinger, Thunderball and You Only Live Twice is, for me, the Holy Trinity of Bond... but I admit, I came of age during the Moore era and enjoyed his first three. They lost me at Moonraker. Only Zorin brought me back -- just Walken, not that movie. Now though, Live and Let Die is pretty silly and Golden Gun is pretty boring. Spy Who Loves Me is truly the only Moore that really stands up... it is Moore's "Goldfinger".
Really like FRWL, Grant is badass. And Bond gets his first gadget from ‘Q’
 
I can’t agree with this sorry, I’ve studied film most of my life and I can say objectively (lol) that Raiders is one of the best directed films of the modern age. I can provide evidence in the form of pages and pages and pages of my notes why Raiders is one of the greats.
As a working story- & scriptwriter I can support this statement. An objective case can be made for the greatness of Raiders. That doesn't mean everyone has to like it of course, but scene-by-scene it's a masterclass in how to construct a film, from the direction, to the camerawork, the audio, the script, performances, visual effects, set design- down to the smallest detail.
 
Goldfinger, Thunderball and You Only Live Twice is, for me, the Holy Trinity of Bond... but I admit, I came of age during the Moore era and enjoyed his first three. They lost me at Moonraker. Only Zorin brought me back -- just Walken, not that movie. Now though, Live and Let Die is pretty silly and Golden Gun is pretty boring. Spy Who Loves Me is truly the only Moore that really stands up... it is Moore's "Goldfinger".
Used to love Zorin when I was younger but I have since then come to hate the movie (It's the only Moore Bond not in my collection). I was always favouring exotic sci-fi sets and over the top villains though, so that's where the Connery era falls a bit short for me. A bit too serious, while still trying to have us believe Bond could go under cover as an Asian dude!? That's a tie with Clark Kent for worst disguise in pop culture history. I'd say most Moore Bonds are "Temple of Doom" rather than "Raiders". Maybe not as well crafted or believable but still rediculously entertaining. And while I agree Raiders is the better movie, Temple is still my favorite. I must also concur that Golden Gun is a bit dull compared to the rest and Moonraker is all kinds of silly, but they're both still growing on me after all these years, so we shall see... [Insert evil villain laughter]
 
As a working story- & scriptwriter I can support this statement. An objective case can be made for the greatness of Raiders. That doesn't mean everyone has to like it of course, but scene-by-scene it's a masterclass in how to construct a film, from the direction, to the camerawork, the audio, the script, performances, visual effects, set design- down to the smallest detail.
The fight in the Raven Bar is one of the single greatest scenes in film I think I have ever seen. It’s really hard to explain but it fires neurons in my brain like nothing else. Everything about it is just perfect but it is also great as just pure entertainment. I have been working for a long time on a paper dissecting that one scene.
 
The fight in the Raven Bar is one of the single greatest scenes in film I think I have ever seen. It’s really hard to explain but it fires neurons in my brain like nothing else. Everything about it is just perfect but it is also great as just pure entertainment. I have been working for a long time on a paper dissecting that one scene.
I always thought a huge contribution to this scene is the fact there is no music, only the sounds of the action and snow storm outside. Very cool
 
I could be wrong and it will be a thrilling homage to the past OR it will be a cringey self deprecating call out of his previous persona who knows lol
Looks like rehash to me, which always tells me the writers can't think of anything else, so they just *&^% on iconic scenes. :pfft:
 
Used to love Zorin when I was younger but I have since then come to hate the movie (It's the only Moore Bond not in my collection). I was always favouring exotic sci-fi sets and over the top villains though, so that's where the Connery era falls a bit short for me. A bit too serious, while still trying to have us believe Bond could go under cover as an Asian dude!? That's a tie with Clark Kent for worst disguise in pop culture history. I'd say most Moore Bonds are "Temple of Doom" rather than "Raiders". Maybe not as well crafted or believable but still rediculously entertaining. And while I agree Raiders is the better movie, Temple is still my favorite. I must also concur that Golden Gun is a bit dull compared to the rest and Moonraker is all kinds of silly, but they're both still growing on me after all these years, so we shall see... [Insert evil villain laughter]
Moore didn’t want to do ‘A view’ after octopussy he believed his bond days were over. They pursauded him to do one more, just like Connery and Craig. It’s definitely his weakest. As previously mentioned by others, Spy and then FYEO in my opinion are his best outings as 007.
 
Ford wants to be a Indy still, but maybe he shouldn’t. Guess we’ll find out in about six months from now. All the delays since 2019 are from writers and their ideas exiting, Spielberg dropping out and ofcourse covid. I think Ford himself had input on whether a script would move forward or not
 
This reminded me of Police Academy series where we all saw the first 3 movies and were entertained but they kept making them while nobody was watching them.

Oh I'm for sure seeing it, but I'm looking forward to Cocaine Bear more.
Sad how we are so starved for original content we will take things like cocaine bear over a new Star Wars movie any day lol
 
Moore didn’t want to do ‘A view’ after octopussy he believed his bond days were over. They pursauded him to do one more, just like Connery and Craig. It’s definitely his weakest. As previously mentioned by others, Spy and then FYEO in my opinion are his best outings as 007.
Yeah, and he was right. It's not optimal but I guess most actors who have the oportunity to keep working beyond their "expiration date" will do so. Can't say I blame them.
 
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