Indy IV Negative Thread

[IrishJedi]

Irish, you do need to change your sigpic though.

Iron Man kicked ass. Dark Knight will kick even it's ass. But Indy, did everything but kick ass. It was a ok flick.

Nah. I'm fine with it just the way it is.

And I cannot wait for TDK.

 

[Blackhole]

Are you talking about the UFO shot? I honestly can't understand why people would even hate that at all. IMHO, it was one of the coolest shots in all of the Indy movies even the first time I saw it. I love the hell out of it. Oh well.

No...one character that sadly passed away...

He was always my favourite...

And his friend too...

There are parts that I liked less than others, but I still loved the movie...

Even the UFO shots...

And personally...I LOVED the jungle chase scene...

 

[Protozaius]

Nah. I'm fine with it just the way it is.

And I cannot wait for TDK.

What... no Hellboy II?

 

[occulum]

What... no Hellboy II?

Hellboy II is THE movie I want to see this year.....

..... now I need to for even coming back to read anymore in this thread....

 

[JAWS]

Well if you were not so

negative and cinical

you would probably see that I was conceding your point with regards to my views on your review. I stated "But thats what happens when reading the written word and not actually discussing it face to face. So - My bad."

My only problem with discussing this with you Irish - If you want to call it that - is that you are dismissive with you comments

That's because I can replace bitterness and cynicism with relativity and rationality

Rather then actually discuss it. Which of course put me on the defensive.

So I think Goes for me as well.

 

[Blackhole]

Don't make me come back there...

Everyone has their own opinion, as I found out on the way out of the cinema...

Some people said they loved it, whereas others hated it...

I have to admit that I enjoyed the second viewing more than the first, but I don't know why...

 

[choopie]

I still have plans to see this a second time around, I just haven't gotten to it yet. But I've read countless reviews both here and elsewhere, and my initial feelings about the film still hold true.

I liked the concept and the time period. But I thought the script was weak, with few memorable moments, easily forgettable characters, and underused talent with both Karen Allen and John Hurt. I can appreciate the approach Spielberg and Lucas were taking with the evolution of Indy. But I didn't want a retiring, mellow, coming of age, think about where my life has been and where it's headed Indy. I wanted Indy wisecracking the bad guys, loving and leaving the ladies, using his whip and his gun as often as he throws punches, getting the cr@p beat out of him and him beating up on the villains. Yes, I wanted the Indy of old. Not sure if I like, or even care, about the new Indy.

Was I expecting Raiders? Absolutely not. Raiders in the classic that cannot be touched. I was hoping it'd be on par with Last Crusade, but I feel that it fell short. But that's just my opinion.

 

[pjam]

I felt the same way choopie. There was noticeable grumbling and mumbling from audience members when the film ended.

For me it was just okay. It wasn't the Indy character I wanted to see. It felt more like a Movie based on an Indy Theme Park Ride than a well crafted Indy movie and that wasn't what I was waiting for.

 

[Viking28]

I posted this in another forum, but this is how I feel. I think its kind of crazy so many get upset because some one else doesn't love it or hate it.

It seems that if you walk away thinking this movie is just ok or that you hated it, you've become a cynical old man. And it seems to me everybody is using this for anybody that disagrees with them on this film.
I can say for myself, I'm looking forward to seeing WallE, the new Mummy movie (yes I'am), I enjoyed the heck out of the POTC movies I even loved 2!
So when some one tries to label some one with being a cynical, old, critical just because they have a different opion of a popular franchise movie.
It just doesn't sink with me.

What really got me with this movie was the fact I walked out of the theater thinking..... ok whatever.
The other Indy films left me with, wow I want to find out more about that (the ark, grail ect ect). The other thing those movies captured was that the world was a big unknown that an adventure awaited out there.
And this movie didn't do that.......for me. Why? I don't know but it just didn't have that feel for me to want and go and learn more about the myths or whatever. Maybe because so many other movies have touched on the subject of aliens, I don't know.
If I can enjoy the National Treasure movies I don't think I'm no where near a cynical critical old man.
But this is coming from a life long Indy fan for whatever difference that makes and I still love the original 3. But for now the new one is just ok..for me.
I can respect those that hate it and those that love it

 

[Captain Britain]

I loved the ending. As Americana Indiana Jones is up there with Superman, and the ending, in that pristine, ethereal Church, was the most perfect slice of Americana you'll see this year.

 

[JAWS]

It felt more like a Movie based on an Indy Theme Park Ride than a well crafted Indy movie

I think that statement sums it up best for me.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Let's play nice here boys. Just because someone has a wrong opinion doesn't make them a bad person.

I'll reiterate, since it's relevant - since watching all the Indys recently I've definitely concluded that Raiders is the only truly great piece of filmmaking and the others get a pass because of the love of that film and the memorable character that Ford and Spielberg created. I used to love Crusade, but I see that now as just fanboy love for having Connery and Ford in the same film. I don't really feel strongly about any of them except Raiders but do find them all very entertaining.

A movie franchise is made from one great film and then some familiar elements thrown into the sequels. The ALIEN franchise is lucky enough to have 2 great films. Predator doesn't even have one great film.

SW's has Empire and ANH, Bond had Goldfinger, FRWL and a lot of filler until Casino Royale. Trek has Wrath of Khan. We cut the sequels some slack because either we love the signature film or we just love the concept (Predator).

 

[BadMoon]

Predator doesn't even have one great film.

Oh boy! Flame on guys!

 

[The Chaver]

Predator 1 was THE great Predator movie.You must know this? No? Ok..

 

[Darklord Dave]

Predator 1 was THE great Predator movie.You must know this? No? Ok..

Of all the Predator movies, yup, it's the bestest. I agree 100%.

 

[nash]

Let's play nice here boys. Just because someone has a wrong opinion doesn't make them a bad person.

I'll reiterate, since it's relevant - since watching all the Indys recently I've definitely concluded that Raiders is the only truly great piece of filmmaking and the others get a pass because of the love of that film and the memorable character that Ford and Spielberg created. I used to love Crusade, but I see that now as just fanboy love for having Connery and Ford in the same film. I don't really feel strongly about any of them except Raiders but do find them all very entertaining.

A movie franchise is made from one great film and then some familiar elements thrown into the sequels. The ALIEN franchise is lucky enough to have 2 great films. Predator doesn't even have one great film.

SW's has Empire and ANH, Bond had Goldfinger, FRWL and a lot of filler until Casino Royale. Trek has Wrath of Khan. We cut the sequels some slack because either we love the signature film or we just love the concept (Predator).

Your opinion is WRONG, but I don't think youre a bad person.

 

[nash]

You're wrong. And if you give yourself the chance, you will realize that in time. This movie is every bit as INDY as "The Last Crusade". It took me 2 or 3 viewings to realize it, but it's all there.


So, you gave the movie ONE chance to live up to 27 years and dozens of viewings of the other films? I don't get that at all. Oh well, your loss.

I don't understand how making yourself watch this movie over and over again will change your mind. I saw it once, never missed any scenes, and took everything in....and I still came out feeling like, "eh whatever, it was 'ok' at best". I think some of you are TRYING too hard to love this movie due to your love of the franchise, therefore forcing yourselves to give it a second chance, a third chance, how about a fourth, or fifth? IMO if you don't love it after the first time, something isn't working for you. The dialogue doesn't change, the movie is the exact same way as the first time you watched it and felt it was 'ok'.

 

[tomandshell]

My appreciation for Blade Runner grew with repeated viewings. Sometimes you do like a film more after seeing it more than once. Now, Indy IV is no Blade Runner, but I can see what some people are saying. It's rare that your opinion/response changes with repeated viewings, but it can happen.

 

[RoboDad]

It isn't about "making" yourself do anything. It's about recognizing the fact that it is possible, and not that uncommon, for appreciation for a movie to grow with repeated viewings. If someone didn't like the movie at all, then it is very unlikely that watching it again would change that. But if there is some spark of enjoyment, than watching it again may cause that spark to grow. Then again, it may extinguish it altogether.

But the idea that seeing a movie a second time can never be more enjoyable than the first is pretty absurd. I wouldn't even want to begin to count the number of movies that I have enjoyed more on numerous additional viewings than I did on the first (which is, of course, based on the premise that I enjoyed the movie at least to some degree on the first viewing).

 

[The Josh]

Yeah, there have been several movies over the years that grew more on me after each viewing. There have also been movies that have done the opposite. Now, I usually do know if I like it or not after one viewing but as I stated repeated viewings do improve on the enjoyment, make things more tolerable, or even make me go man that really is bad.