There is zero chance they work on another sculpt. The license probably doesn’t even allow that.
JND Studios: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - 1:3 Harrison Ford and Sean Connery
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There is zero chance they work on another sculpt. The license probably doesn’t even allow that.
Would it be possible to remove and dye the pants? Get them in the ballpark at least?
The hat is probably a lost cause, maybe someone down the line will make a custom.
The hat is probably a lost cause, maybe someone down the line will make a custom.
I've already got the custom accurate hat sorted. It's just the pants colour which is the difficulty now. I'm no expert on mixing colour dyes so would hate to end up with purple pants on the statue, LOL, so will probably have to leave them alone until I can find someone who can make a new pair!
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You would definitely be able to dye the trousers with a good result if you apply the correct method. You wouldn't need to mix any dyes if you can find the one, correct colour. I did a dyeing project on some SSC KOTCS trousers and changed them to taupe for Raiders. I learned a lot in the process. Now however, after speaking with others and integrating a 35mm scan I now have into how I perceive the trousers of Raiders, I quite like a light grey/ taupe with touches of pink and purple for Raiders, so very similar to my stock 1/6 Yuan, Y.M.A Studio trousers. For my new 1/6 Crusade Indy, I am using the KOTCS trousers again but keeping them the stock colour.
You could easily dye the JND Crusade trousers if you strip the colour first. The lighter the base/ stock colour, the easier the dye will take to it but stripping first will provide the very best results.
At first I tried dyeing over the sandy/ tan khaki colour of the stock KOTCS trousers. But I didn't use enough dye and or simmer the trousers (to keep the fibres open for the dye to adhere to) for long enough, so there was barely any change. I then over-dyed them. It was a process of trial and error. Eventually, it became a bit of a nightmare and mess, with colours bleeding into each other. So, I decided to strip as much of all of the colour with some hot washes and using Rit Colour Stripper.
To prevent colours bleeding, I think it is best to try to 'one-and-do' the dye, but you should have more leeway to dye a second time if needed if you have stripped the colour first, since colours wouldn't be able to bleed into each other. That said, it might come out patchy/ uneven if you do it more than once. I didn't spend time to try to totally strip the stock colour as the Rit Colour stripper I used absolutely reeks (I used a pot of boiling vinegar next to pot with stripper and trousers to help take away some of the smell, but it was still very bad). Doing it outside if you can would be the best option.
After stripping a lot of the colour, the dye took much quicker and easier to the trousers. I got them very close to how I wanted and was able to get very close to all of the khaki shades on the trousers in various lightings and settings that I could see on the 4K UHD copy of Raiders. But I did dye once more and then made them a bit too dark and patchy in areas, ha ha! Sod's Law.
One thing I don't like about the hob method is that it does seem to ruin the fibres a bit, since it took out the original, lush sheen of the trousers. Perhaps you could add this back with some product like conditioner, or something else, though. But I know that you need the water temperature hot enough and consistently so for a period of time in order to keep the fibres open for the dye to adhere to.
So, there is a specific science to dyeing, I think. I may try it again with a different pair of trousers.
Some folks opt to paint instead but haven't seen any solid examples of this method.
I hope that helps.
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SSC KOTCS, stock:
My favourite pair of 1/6 Indy trousers along with Yuan's. Notice the lovely sheen, similar to a full size screen-accurate pair. Again, this sheen was sadly lost in the dying process:
I forget if this was post-colour stripping, but it came out perfectly even and to a very nice and convincing shade of khaki. I have included a useful colour chart of khaki shades at the start for reference:
And the last dye I did where I went a touch too dark for my preference. Though, I thought it looked better in direct daylight:
And for reference, since I mentioned them in my previous post, below are some photos of my Yuan trousers:
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Freakzoid
Most welcome. If you view the 4K UHD of Raiders on a colour accurate display, all of the shades of khaki are at some point conveyed throughout the course of the film, apart from maybe cream. I haven't viewed Crusade in a short while now but I want to say that on the 4K UHD, I recall the colour grading pushing the trousers more towards the more sandy spectrum for the shades of khaki, but I could be wrong. Looking online earlier, I saw shades ranging from sand to pebble for Crusade. But it's a bit of the Wild West looking at photos online.
The colour changes often throughout the film(s) due to lighting, setting, DP, post-production etc, so it can be hard settling on the right shade for a figure that will stay indoors, especially if under just one type of lighting. I always advise to ultimately just go with what you think is correct and prefer. You having an actual cut of the Crusade screen-worn trousers is very useful. I've spoken to a replica maker, looked at various replicas and sources and spoken to a cinematographer and actor who spoke to someone at Lucasfilm about the trousers and have formed my own opinion and preference based on that and the versions of the film I own, so, I am looking forward to some details on your piece of trousers, very cool stuff.
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The small piece of fabric shown here on the bottom right is the original fabric. The other fabrics are what Arnie Kim sent to me so I could give my opinion on his color and fabric selection for his 1/4 scale statue.
You're entering the catch-22 dilemma of whether you get the colour to match how it appears on screen versus getting it as close as possible to the actual colour of the real fabric if you had it in front of you.
Same dilemma occurs with Christopher Reeve's Superman costume blue (which looks vastly different shot to shot in the movie and is actually quite a bit more green when you see it in person) and also Captain Kirk's original TV Series uniform colour.
Also shown is the label on the waistband from the actual screen matched Temple of Doom trousers worn by Ford. Those trousers were originally owned by Noel Howard and when he passed away, they were passed on to Peter Botwright at Wested Leather and then the whole costume ensemble was auctioned and sold by Propstore a few years later. Here's a photo of Stephen Lane from Propstore alongside the screen worn costume with original costume designer for Raiders - Deborah Nadoolman-Landis (she was married to John Landis).
Interesting to note on the waistband that Ford's waist measurement was 33 inches and his inseam length was 32 inches.
You're entering the catch-22 dilemma of whether you get the colour to match how it appears on screen versus getting it as close as possible to the actual colour of the real fabric if you had it in front of you.
Same dilemma occurs with Christopher Reeve's Superman costume blue (which looks vastly different shot to shot in the movie and is actually quite a bit more green when you see it in person) and also Captain Kirk's original TV Series uniform colour.
Also shown is the label on the waistband from the actual screen matched Temple of Doom trousers worn by Ford. Those trousers were originally owned by Noel Howard and when he passed away, they were passed on to Peter Botwright at Wested Leather and then the whole costume ensemble was auctioned and sold by Propstore a few years later. Here's a photo of Stephen Lane from Propstore alongside the screen worn costume with original costume designer for Raiders - Deborah Nadoolman-Landis (she was married to John Landis).
Interesting to note on the waistband that Ford's waist measurement was 33 inches and his inseam length was 32 inches.
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Awesome stuff, Chris.
I always go with how something looks on-screen, if possible, since that is my impression and memory of it. Hence, why I opted for a tanned Ford face for my 1/6 Indy.
How would you describe the shade of khaki on the piece from Crusade that you own, Chris? Do you know if it was from a pair of trousers that Ford wore, or his stunt double?
That's very cool, do you own any of the actual trouser fabric from this trouser, or is it just the waistband?
Between Pebble and Taupe I would say looking at your Shades of Khaki image. I don't own the waistband or trousers that are shown in the images I've posted. I just have a couple of small pieces of fabric. It's a piece cut from the same fabric bolt used to make Ford's costumes in Crusade.
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Thanks for sharing those photos of the screenused wardrobe pieces. I'm not sure if much (if any) of the original Raiders costume has ever been exhibited. I know a Cairo fedora was auctioned off years ago.
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While it’s unfortunate they didn’t change anything, I look at this compared to the Cinemaquette and this is still the best mass produced licensed Indy figure. 1/3 to boot. I think given the feedback and price, JND probably won’t be chasing the license again or anytime soon. Their biggest challenge I’m sure they’re focusing on is the 1/6 market. I’m happy I ordered this but still a shame they didn’t change such subtle items.
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