Action Figure Joaquin Phoenix "JOKER" Speculation Thread

[Wor-Gar]

Just popped Joker in and his suit is pretty close to the Toys Era suit color when he's on stage at the Murray show. Moreso than I thought.

 

[JacktheRipper]

Yes, they are.

What he said lol

Thank you. The Fleck head might be useful.

Many reviewers are liking the sculpt on the painted version, but not on the Fleck. Do they not notice it's the same sculpt?

 

[Nine Inch Nails]

Joaquin Phoenix "JOKER" Speculation Thread

Thank you. The Fleck head might be useful.

Many reviewers are liking the sculpt on the painted version, but not on the Fleck. Do they not notice it's the same sculpt?

For me it?s not necessarily the sculpt itself, it?s really soft on details which makes it off.

Putting it on that body helps with the thin look though

 

[JacktheRipper]

I hear you. It looks really soft. I don't see much of Phoenix in it, but with some paint it's serviceable.

 

[Captain Clown]

Mine is in New York I think? I really hope it arrives by the end of this week. I’m excited.

That full clown version is growing on me, but the head is definitely too evil. I wish the eyelids were at least a bit more “relaxed”. I noticed the final scene BD sculpt is listed as a “preorder bonus”, where exactly would I have to preorder it to get that? GianToy?

 

[The Brown Knight]

That CEN-M13 suit looks like a joke. Doesn't even fit.

This is a 'can't see the forest for the trees' reaction.

You say that, but at 1/6 scale, it's incredibly hard to get a suit to fit as it should. Most of the times the suit looks too big because the tailoring needs to account for all the bends/lapels/buttons. Joker was skinny in the movie, and he had an oversized jacket, so all these companies have provided big jackets, and as a result, the figure itself looks bigger. The figure within the jacket needs to look small, that's the aim. The only way that would be possible is if the material is a very very thin cloth, so it will give the look from the movie. At 1/6 scale, suits cannot bend as the Joker suit in the film did, so it has be a very thin cotton, for it to be as realistic as possible. That's what these companies should have done - the Joker suit is really flexible, but none of the 1/6 ones are. If not, the size has to be smaller. The latter is what Toy Center have done, and in those pictures of the suit, Joker looks small, his frame looks small, which is better than the suits Toys Era and MToys have provided. The SW Toys one which is yet to come out also looks too bulky. People desperately want a figure of the character, so they're willing to accept anything. The body and the suit is the main aspect of the Joker in this film, and these companies have not been able to replicate it. The body should be smaller than a regular body, but everyone seems to provide a regular body, the suits are also regular suits. So for me, a custom head sculpt with the Toy Center suit is the way to go. The darker red is also more screen accurate, especially in the slow-motion sequence of him walking out from the train. Baffles me how people can accept the Toys Era one, which needs so many changes, but bash the Toy Center suit, which is so much more accurate looking on the figure. Best option for me is to wait for Hot Toys, or a company which will actually get the body and suit right, to come out with one. None of the head sculpts out there I would say are brilliant either, so I don't think i'm missing out on much.

 

[The Brown Knight]

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This clown's outfits certainly are shelf-poppers if nothing else.

Looks nothing like Joaquin Phoenix, and the expression is so out of character. They should have gone with either the clown face he was making at the start of the movie when he was holding up the sign, or a laughing sculpt to replicate the train scene, or a neutral one to replicate the bathroom scene. Looks like they tried to make all three expressions in one, and it doesn't look good. Should also have given extra trousers and shoes to recreate the bathroom scene. Is the hair-piece even removable?

 

[matrix69]

The outfit looks really good.

This pic is tempting me to order one, but I must resist.

Proper posing is all that's needed to make it shine...

DeanKnight has since lengthened the hair and it looks great! Definitely something i'll be considering...

Someone on FB posted pics of the figure with a narrower Stan Lee body.

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And someone else already has that darker Toy Center suit.

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TE suit looks better with the body swap...

I like the colour of the TC suit better...but the pocket detailing/stitching is not accurate and it look's a tad too tight fitting (Maybe a thinner body would make it work better)

 

[nexus]

What a great idea. The Humorist looks very cool. I've already POed the first one and will likely order this as well. Just as with the Ledger Joker, there are going to be tons of head sculpts, custom haired versions, better tailored improved outfits and special accessories for many years to come. I actually hope HT foregoes Phoenix Joker figures at least for now (or unless they can bring something truly phenomenal to the table) and instead focuses on releasing other characters like '66 Joker, Sonar Batman and Robin, Mantis, etc.

 

[Wor-Gar]

You say that, but at 1/6 scale, it's incredibly hard to get a suit to fit as it should. Most of the times the suit looks too big because the tailoring needs to account for all the bends/lapels/buttons. Joker was skinny in the movie, and he had an oversized jacket, so all these companies have provided big jackets, and as a result, the figure itself looks bigger. The figure within the jacket needs to look small, that's the aim. The only way that would be possible is if the material is a very very thin cloth, so it will give the look from the movie. At 1/6 scale, suits cannot bend as the Joker suit in the film did, so it has be a very thin cotton, for it to be as realistic as possible. That's what these companies should have done - the Joker suit is really flexible, but none of the 1/6 ones are. If not, the size has to be smaller. The latter is what Toy Center have done, and in those pictures of the suit, Joker looks small, his frame looks small, which is better than the suits Toys Era and MToys have provided. The SW Toys one which is yet to come out also looks too bulky. People desperately want a figure of the character, so they're willing to accept anything. The body and the suit is the main aspect of the Joker in this film, and these companies have not been able to replicate it. The body should be smaller than a regular body, but everyone seems to provide a regular body, the suits are also regular suits. So for me, a custom head sculpt with the Toy Center suit is the way to go. The darker red is also more screen accurate, especially in the slow-motion sequence of him walking out from the train. Baffles me how people can accept the Toys Era one, which needs so many changes, but bash the Toy Center suit, which is so much more accurate looking on the figure. Best option for me is to wait for Hot Toys, or a company which will actually get the body and suit right, to come out with one. None of the head sculpts out there I would say are brilliant either, so I don't think i'm missing out on much.

A lot of inaccurate information in the above post.

How many suits have you bought off ebay?

 

[Wor-Gar]

More helpful information from deanknight333...





Side flaps actually work too.

 

[The Brown Knight]

A lot of inaccurate information in the above post.

How many suits have you bought off ebay?

The Toys Era suit/body do no represent accurately how Joker looked in the movie, it's pretty obvious. First of all, the suit in the movie was a very flexible and thin material. The TE suit is the exact opposite, it's thick and the front section protrudes. Due to how small the size of a 1/6 suit, it doesn't bend and move in the way a real life-size suit does, except for when a company pays particular attention and designs it accurately. Most times, custom suits look odd on figures, especially when you lift the arms.

What have I said that is incorrect? Joker should look skinny, the TE certainly fails at that, the MToys one is better since the body isn't too big, but they could have done better with the actual jacket, in terms of making it sit more naturally on the body.

The answer to your question - not many, maybe 2.

Look at this image:

Narrow shoulder, dark suit, oversized but thin and flexible jacket, very skinny body

Not to forget, the head is much 'longer' than the TE representation, and also the hair should be going down as opposed to a more bushy look.

None of the companies releasing these figures have done the look of Joker justice. The Toy-Center atleast gives a skinny look, and is the right colour. Either the companies just haven't paid attention/bothered, or it's hard to replicate this particular look of a very skinny person in a slightly ovesized suit jacket. I fail to see what is incorrect about this observation. Just put the TE and MT figures side-by-side with this image, and you'll see.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The answer to your question - not many, maybe 2.

I've bought probably 40-50 over the years. There's a lot of great suits out there and there's a lot of trash. The CEN-M13 is a familiar looking suit, much like the picture I posted below. Its a very stiff cut because it is so fitted. There is no room for modifications.

If you look, you will see that the Joker's pants' crotch sits very low. The M13 pants will never work for that look. I believe too many people are envisioning a classic comic book Joker when looking at 1/6th suits. This Joker wore a baggy off-the-rack type suit meant to be worm by many so its sits loose on his body. Again, the M13 is tailored and incorrect. I also believe the suit is just too dark now that I've watched the movie again. Especially if you watch the Murray scenes, the suit has a brighter almost orangey tone to it. I'm certain the street scenes are desaturated in the movie and made darker for mood.

Here's the comparable suit below -- you've also scene this as "Tony Stark" suits and many others over the years. I think it simply gets reproduced over and over.




As a generic fitted suit it is fine -- for Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne dolls -- but for this particular Joker, its just not the suit in the movie.

That said, I am not saying the Toys Era suit is accurate either, nor is it correctly made. But I think the looser fit leaves room for modifications where you can get the suit where you want it while still leaving it loose in places -- maybe tightening up the sleeves a bit, removing the shoulder pads, and narrowing the thighs a bit too.

But without doing that work, I believe you can get the TE suit to look probably more accurate than the M13 suit. Deanknight333 did a good job with it in his recent video.

 

[Entropy]

Ah screen accuracy vs wardrobe accuracy. War never changes.
I'm usually in the 1/6 should match the irl wardrobe not movie lit costumes camp.

 

[Wor-Gar]

There's a picture for every picture...







Now we have three different colors -- which do you like best?


Personally, I like the cranberry color the best... and I may try to dye my TE suit a bit darker as I've mentioned... but the actual suit isn't the color of the subway walk scene. Please watch the movie again and watch the Murray scene at the end. I think the darker red you get outside at dusk or night because movie's use those huge "night lights" which add a blue tint to everything. Hell, when he grabs the camera to sign off after he's killed Murray, his suit looks like a deep purple right out of comic Joker color scheme.

 

[The Brown Knight]

There's a picture for every picture...

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Now we have three different colors -- which do you like best?


Personally, I like the cranberry color the best... and I may try to dye my TE suit a bit darker as I've mentioned... but the actual suit isn't the color of the subway walk scene. Please watch the movie again and watch the Murray scene at the end. I think the darker red you get outside at dusk or night because movie's use those huge "night lights" which add a blue tint to everything. Hell, when he grabs the camera to sign off after he's killed Murray, his suit looks like a deep purple right out of comic Joker color scheme.

This is also the TC version, just depends on the lighting again I guess. I think I prefer it slightly darker, the TE one is very bright.

It varies in the movie, just like the hair. Sometimes it's light green, sometimes it's very dark green.

I'm not someone who really does modification to clothing, so I guess the TC is a better option for me. I can't justify paying ?140-?170 for the TE or MT version, when it isn't even that accurate. I'd rather stick with the TC suit which is ?30 and wait for an official company to make one. I'd happily pay ?200-?250 for a Hot Toys one. These 3rd party ones just aren't that appealing personally. I don't think I should have to customise something that expensive. But at the moment, that's all we have. The TC one is by no means perfect, but I think it pulls of the Joker's skinny look far better than any of the other ones.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'm just saying -- if you buy the M13 suit, you will be disappointed... and end up buying another suit.

I have a feeling 3rd party companies will be offering more Joker suits in 2020. Patience.

 

[davejames]

Eh, going through some screenshots this is the brightest it ever looks in the movie, and it's still not as crazy bright as the TE appears to be.

I do agree though that there's probably more potential in creating an accurate suit with the TE than the Toy Center one (especially given that TC jacket clearly doesn't hang down nearly long enough). But it'll definitely need to be dulled down and slimmed down quite a bit.





Incidentally, this site has a lot of good Joaquin closeups for anyone needing reference material.
https://screenmusings.org/movie/blu-ray/Joker/index.htm

 

[Wor-Gar]

Did you just find that online or did you capture that off your TV?

Suit looks brighter than that on my TV is several shots, especially when he first enters and does his twirl, shakes Murray's hand and kisses that woman. I encourage people to watch their bluray and not sweep the internet. That said, the TE suit needs to be redder than it is and toned down a notch or two.

I'll have this in hand tomorrow so I'll know better what the hell we got.


EDIT: that site seems to have really toned down the colors... or maybe my set is too warm?

Here's some variation in lighting from that site...






And brighter, even at night...





And totally purple...









EDIT: Hey I just noticed something, not sure if its deliberate but aren't the Joker colors the same colors as the Google wheel's red/green/yellow?

 

[davejames]

Well all I know is I really don't want the suit to be as bright as the outdoor filming shots you posted above. Some might be happy with that, but it just isn't how I want my figure to look at all.

Because it was definitely not a bright and sunny movie by any stretch.