I’ll be honest: I found this movie to be incredibly mean spirited…and that’s coming from someone who found audiences to be overly empathetic to Arthur in the first one. I don’t mind the musical numbers, to be honest. If anything, they were a nice little reprieve from the unrelenting urge to kill myself that the remaining run time of this movie elicited. Like, holy ****. I’ve never seen Requiem for a Dream, but I’ve heard about it and I feel like watching a tweaked out Jennifer Connelly degrade herself with double sided dildos for more meth would seem downright jovial compared to this ****.
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. What a slog to get through this thing was. If the message of the first movie was “look at all the external circumstances that made Arthur snap,” this one is “everything’s trash. You’re trash. The world is a monstrous place that will consume you, wholly, and, when you die? You’re still going to be trash.” It feels like Phillips was trying to be meta and this was his way of telling audiences who showed up that “you get what you ******* deserve,” but, like, nobody asked for this, so, who, exactly, is the joke on here, guy? Warner Bros. for paying for this ****? Us for showing up and entertaining our morbid curiosity?
Just for context:
Our boy Gary from the first film makes an appearance to give a victim impact statement and, at no point does Todd Phillips display the self-awareness to take a step back and realize he created and wrote a character with dwarfism with the express purpose of being made to feel small and powerless in relation to our protagonist…and then brings him back to give a very well performed monologue about how he feels small and powerless every day, but never has he felt smaller and more powerless than when he was at Arthur’s mercy…and I don’t know. Something about it was just rubbing me the wrong way. Like, “you thought this was really deep, but it actually just seems like some **** a frat boy would come up with after taking a toke.” And, I feel like that last sentence could essentially sum up the whole damn movie.
What an absolute, hot mess of a motion picture. I think that Artisan Joker PO I reluctantly bit on is going the way of the dodo because this movie commits the cardinal sin of sequels: it renders the first film pointless.
Yea this movie just feels like a giant middle finger to those who enjoyed the first. I don’t understand what the point was not only is WB destroying a huge Ip but they are going to lose money.
I don’t understand the “I gotta show my audience that pays me” mentality.
Hell after this movie I’d put leto above pheonix. Crazy right?
deep down at its core this movie is like Ghostbusters 2
there's not much growth, take out the bells and whistles and on the plot itself, as far as character growth, there is none.
in character development, Ghostbusters 2 didn't have any character growth, they are just exactly where they were in Ghostbusters 1 in terms of being down on their luck, at the beginning of that movie.
they are low on money and went their different ways, they get together to investigate and catch ghosts, like a spiritual remake of Ghostbusters 1 as far as character growth...
with this joker they kind of play it safe in that way, there's no real continuation or growth from the first one, he's down on his luck, treated like crap. abused by the system around him.
no, I would say that this movie didn't take any real risks. it took risks in making it a musical and bringing Gaga
but it almost had the same character structure as the first.
Feels like a regression. Like it feels as tho everything built up from the first is absolutely squandered. It’s crazy how sabotaging the movie is to the original
I’ll be honest: I found this movie to be incredibly mean spirited…and that’s coming from someone who found audiences to be overly empathetic to Arthur in the first one. I don’t mind the musical numbers, to be honest. If anything, they were a nice little reprieve from the unrelenting urge to kill myself that the remaining run time of this movie elicited. Like, holy ****. I’ve never seen Requiem for a Dream, but I’ve heard about it and I feel like watching a tweaked out Jennifer Connelly degrade herself with double sided dildos for more meth would seem downright jovial compared to this ****.
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. What a slog to get through this thing was. If the message of the first movie was “look at all the external circumstances that made Arthur snap,” this one is “everything’s trash. You’re trash. The world is a monstrous place that will consume you, wholly, and, when you die? You’re still going to be trash.” It feels like Phillips was trying to be meta and this was his way of telling audiences who showed up that “you get what you ******* deserve,” but, like, nobody asked for this, so, who, exactly, is the joke on here, guy? Warner Bros. for paying for this ****? Us for showing up and entertaining our morbid curiosity?
Just for context:
Our boy Gary from the first film makes an appearance to give a victim impact statement and, at no point does Todd Phillips display the self-awareness to take a step back and realize he created and wrote a character with dwarfism with the express purpose of being made to feel small and powerless in relation to our protagonist…and then brings him back to give a very well performed monologue about how he feels small and powerless every day, but never has he felt smaller and more powerless than when he was at Arthur’s mercy…and I don’t know. Something about it was just rubbing me the wrong way. Like, “you thought this was really deep, but it actually just seems like some **** a frat boy would come up with after taking a toke.” And, I feel like that last sentence could essentially sum up the whole damn movie.
What an absolute, hot mess of a motion picture. I think that Artisan Joker PO I reluctantly bit on is going the way of the dodo because this movie commits the cardinal sin of sequels: it renders the first film pointless.
that's why some people are saying that the director hates the audience it created and that's why he's like ashamed of the cult following joker got or like people didn't understand the point of the first movie.
or like the director changed his mind over the years or started to hate the kind of people that loved joker.
the director definitely wants to destroy what he created.
there's definitely a message here: joker is a LOSER, hes an IDIOT. he's not to be worshipped, he's not to be admired. he's weak. he's not a hero.
lady Gaga is a representation of the audience. and that's why made her to be awful. not awful in acting, awful in personality. lady Gaga represents every person that loves and admires joker
it's almost like this movie is trying to say that Arthur's abuse and bullying in the first movie was deserved because he's a dumb loser.
this movie is almost saying that nerds and shy men deserve bullying.
Does this film hurt the original? What I mean by that, does it hurt the character or the legacy of the Phoenix Joker from the first film. From the spoilers I read, they pretty much break down the joker/Arthur character completely, making him a complete loser and a hack. If that's the case, does the first film still hold up on its own. I was thinking about buying the HT Phoenix Joker next year, since I like the first film, but I'm not sure how I feel about it now.
in jail Arthur is bullied by the cops.
but they play around with him. they give him cigarettes for jokes. they troll him.
they slap him. kinda playful but abusive.
later in court and dealing with Gaga joker starts to get annoyed about the joker culture.
Arthur starts to get annoyed with the court case. and he insults the cops on tv.
the cops see this on TV and feel insulted and betrayed.
and when he returns they beat him up, take all his clothes off, throw him on the floor.
and one cop takes off his cop belt. as the rest of the cops are watching.
then the next day comes. rape it's pretty heavily implied because the next day he's crying and quits being joker. he's crying.
next day he goes to court and says there's no joker. he confesses to killing his mom in court and says he's only Arthur.
then at the very very end
since he said he's not joker, a prisoner in jail says "you are a fake. you are false "
and stabs him to death in the belly
so he got raped by cops. and murdered by his own fan. murdered by his fan.
Is it true that Todd Phillips is hand delivering each Artisan Joker and that he firsts asks you to pick up a bar of soap so that you can "receive your Joker figure?"
Does this film hurt the original? What I mean by that, does it hurt the character or the legacy of the Phoenix Joker from the first film. From the spoilers I read, they pretty much break down the joker/Arthur character completely, making him a complete loser and a hack. If that's the case, does the first film still hold up on its own. I was thinking about buying the HT Phoenix Joker next year, since I like the first film, but I'm not sure how I feel about it now.
the way I see it. if both movies are one complete story without a cut. yes kind of. Arthur never shows redeeming qualities and he never grows.
he's like a child in this one. he's like, less intelligent now. more naive.
it really felt like if he's weaker mentally now.
in jail Arthur is bullied by the cops.
but they play around with him. they give him cigarettes for jokes. they troll him.
they slap him. kinda playful but abusive.
later in court and dealing with Gaga joker starts to get annoyed about the joker culture.
Arthur starts to get annoyed with the court case. and he insults the cops on tv.
the cops see this on TV and feel insulted and betrayed.
and when he returns they beat him up, take all his clothes off, throw him on the floor.
and one cop takes off his cop belt. as the rest of the cops are watching.
then the next day comes. rape it's pretty heavily implied because the next day he's crying and quits being joker. he's crying.
next day he goes to court and says there's no joker. he confesses to killing his mom in court and says he's only Arthur.
then at the very very end
since he said he's not joker, a prisoner in jail says "you are a fake. you are false "
and stabs him to death in the belly
so he got raped by cops. and murdered by his own fan. murdered by his fan.
It's like Todd said "hey remember that South Park episode where George Lucas ass rapes his own creation? Let's just do that but have it be the actual sequel."
It's like Todd said "hey remember that South Park episode where George Lucas ass rapes his own creation? Let's just do that but have it be the actual sequel."
they beat him up, take all his clothes off, throw him on the floor.
and one cop takes off his cop belt. as the rest of the cops are watching.
then the next day comes. rape it's pretty heavily implied because the next day he's crying and quits being joker. he's crying.
next day he goes to court and says there's no joker. he confesses to killing his mom in court and says he's only Arthur.
