Joker: Folie à Deux

[crows]

If you don't see it then it's open to interpretation.

bro......the cop

Spoiler

takes off his belt. come on bro. he literally undresses joker and then looks like a scene from Shawshank redemption
literally resembles Shawshank redemption scene of abuse

I would assume anyone who watched the first movie would have clued into the fact this wasn't your standard comic book Joker. So the fact this sequel charts its own path once again doesn't bother me in the least.

But if this movie really does retell the exact same character arc again, but in a different setting, then that does seem like a problem. Because you still want to see some kind of progress or development in the character.

not only is there no growth. its the opposite of progress. regression. he's more child like and more pathetic and less intelligent here than before. it's like a regression on the character.

he is literally more frail and more naive than before.

Spoiler

So in the film the Joker is manipulated by Harley ?as described in this article :
https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/joker-2-ending-explained-arthur-fleck-death-spoilers/

Do the guards really force Arthur to kiss another inmate in one scene?

Spoiler

it's a troll. a test. they send the guy asking for a kiss but they expect joker to punch him or hurt the guy.
this test, this trolling is not the kiss itself.

it's to see if the joker reacts. violently or not
joker chooses to kiss him,
they are even surprised because they thought joker would be violent.


Harley is a rich woman that is obsessed with joker like a celebrity. forces joker to fire his lawyer that was helping him.
she has sex with joker. and at the end breaks up with him. dumps him.

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poor poor poor baby gagu
her acting career is gonna take a hit!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Remember when Snyder wanted to rape Batman and we laughed..

 

[R_R_X]

bro......the cop

Spoiler

takes off his belt. come on bro. he literally undresses joker and then looks like a scene from Shawshank redemption
literally resembles Shawshank redemption scene of abuse

not only is there no growth. its the opposite of progress. regression. he's more child like and more pathetic and less intelligent here than before. it's like a regression on the character.

Spoiler

it's a troll. a test. they send the guy asking for a kiss but they expect joker to punch him or hurt the guy.
the test. the trolling is not the kiss itself.
it's to see if the joker reacts. violently or not
joker chooses to kiss him,


Harley is a rich woman that is obsessed with joker like a celebrity. forces joker to fire his lawyer that was helping him.
she has sex with joker. and at the end breaks up with him. dumps him.

Spoiler

So did she actually have sex with him because if so it sort of leaves a bit of sequel bait with Arthur singing he wants a son at the end. Oh god imagine it, "The Son of Joker" or something equally terrible. Wait I got it! Joker: Tel Père Tel Fils

poor poor poor baby gagu
her acting career is gonna take a hit!

Nah they'll probably give her a pity Oscar nomination for this lol.

 

[crows]

Spoiler

So did she actually have sex with him because if so it sort of leaves a bit of sequel bait with Arthur singing he wants a son at the end. Oh god imagine it, "The Son of Joker" or something equally terrible. Wait I got it! Joker: Tel Père Tel Fils

Nah they'll probably give her a pity Oscar nomination for this lol.

Spoiler

he's in solitary and she pays off a cop to visit him and they have sex. but he lasts like 10 seconds.
days later she says she pregnant.

 

[R_R_X]

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[Wor-Gar]

This is sick. Hollywood is sick. Why did they do this...?

I'm going to stay far away from this... going to watch Dodgers tonight... at least I know if Shohei fails, he won't get raped on the field.

 

[R_R_X]

Spoiler

he's in solitary and she pays off a cop to visit him and they have sex. but he lasts like 10 seconds.
days later she says she pregnant.

Spoiler

I see, I thought it might've been one of Arthur's hallucinations since it cuts to him makeup free and aloof and he gets pretty mad when they start going on about his virginity in trial but it makes more sense for it to have actually happened. Not that much of the film makes sense anyways.

 

[crows]

Spoiler

I see, I thought it might've been one of Arthur's hallucinations since it cuts to him makeup free and aloof and he gets pretty mad when they start going on about his virginity in trial but it makes more sense for it to have actually happened. Not that much of the film makes sense anyways.

Spoiler

the only problem. with that is that she says she pregnant.
so how could she know that he hallucinated.
some people say that he dreamed the sex scene. the lack of make up

but her saying she pregnant makes it really weird.

 

[crows]

This is sick. Hollywood is sick. Why did they do this...?

I'm going to stay far away from this... going to watch Dodgers tonight... at least I know if Shohei fails, he won't get raped on the field.

 

[R_R_X]

Spoiler

the only problem. with that is that she says she pregnant.
so how could she know that he hallucinated.
some people say that he dreamed the sex scene. the lack of make up

but her saying she pregnant makes it really weird.

Spoiler

Todd Phillips probably thought it would be cool if he made the audience wonder if it was just Fleck's imagination without taking into account he was going to include the "I'm pregnant." ********.

 

[crows]

Spoiler

Todd Phillips probably thought it would be cool if he made the audience wonder if it was just Fleck's imagination without taking into account he was going to include the "I'm pregnant." ********.

Spoiler

she could have still been lying.
but at the very end Arthur mentions their baby and she doesn't deny being pregnant

at the very end Harley could have said " Arthur there is no baby" or say " what are you talking about "
but they even mess that up. I thought she would say "I lied" but she never did

 

[Wor-Gar]

Never offer your friendship... in the shower.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Phillips pulled a Snyder and 'Sucker-Punch'd the Joker!!!

 

[R_R_X]

Spoiler

she could have still been lying.
but at the very end Arthur mentions their baby and she doesn't deny being pregnant

at the very end Harley could have said " Arthur there is no baby" or say " what are you talking about "
but they even mess that up. I thought she would say "I lied" but she never did

Spoiler

I guess the only real sons Arthur got in the end were the ones from Brendan Gleeson.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Spoiler

I guess the only real sons Arthur got in the end were the ones from Brendan Gleeson.

Oh.... Dude...

 

[crows]

 

[Wor-Gar]

 

[R_R_X]

Oh.... Dude...

 

[Nick D]

Had no plans of seeing this, particularly now. This whole sequel situation reminds me of Rob Zombie's angry, resentful, mess of a sequel, "Halloween II".

Spot on.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

This is sick. Hollywood is sick. Why did they do this...?

First Beetlejuice rapes Winona with magic and now Joker gets raped.