Joker: Folie à Deux

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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That's interesting, he smiled at the end, so I guess he found the joke funny after all. I don't hate that ending.

 

[crows]

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the shanking is a second metaphorical rape of you think about it.
the guy, the guy finished what the guards started.
he "did him in"

 

[ironwez20]

This film has inspired me.

I'm not really Clown Prince of Crime. I'm just...Tony, and I regret all my posts. I'm sorry everybody.

You should be ashamed for liking a fictional character set in a fictional world who fights a man dressed as a bat. How dare you like a character created to entertain you! You must be an incel and disrespect woman!

 

[Wor-Gar]

If Phillips really wanted to say something, he might have had society embrace the Joker in Joker 2 as some kind of fresh, take-no-s*** celebrity -- and make the case about our nation's unhealthy obsession with fame at any cost.

 

[GaryPool]

i was expecting character growth.
I was expecting a proper continuation.
I was expecting a continuation of the ending of the last one. literally expecting the follow through of the ending

we didn't get it

Ehhh, debatable.

There was introspective growth for him. And real consequences which leveled him out. All the things he did as Fleck to becoming Joker in the first one was reactionary and selfish, it's quite a good conclusion to his pitiful character. Not a great closure on Joker as a character for what people liked or wanted. But that's more a problem with the studio letting both films happen anyway.

 

[ironwez20]

If Phillips really wanted to say something, he might have had society embrace the Joker in Joker 2 as some kind of fresh take-no-**** celebrity -- and make the case about our nation's unhealthy obsession with fame at any cost.

But he won’t cause he’s a *******. 200 million. You know what they could of done with 200 mil instead of funding this crap?
Given it to me that’s what.

 

[Wor-Gar]

He probably could have done a little of everything and still had his courtroom and musical bits and his ending -- sounds like there's plenty of room in this movie for more ideas.

 

[crows]

Ehhh, debatable.

There was introspective growth for him. And real consequences which leveled him out. All the things he did as Fleck to becoming Joker in the first one was reactionary and selfish, it's quite a good conclusion to his pitiful character. Not a great closure on Joker as a character for what people liked or wanted. But that's more a problem with the studio letting both films happen anyway.

I'll meet you halfway.

if this movie has zero musical moments and was shorter, more palatable then it could have win audiences,

remove all the stupid singing
give lady gagu a proper characterization and more development. treat her like a proper character.
and you get a winner. like American history x.

the way it now, the musicals destroy any good faith that anyone can have.

But he won’t cause he’s a *******. 200 million. You know what they could of done with 200 mil instead of funding this crap?
Given it to me that’s what.

no, no but the problem you don't get here is that

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BAZINGA

 

[GaryPool]

I'll meet you halfway.

if this movie has zero musical moments and was shorter, more palatable then it could have win audiences,

remove all the stupid singing
give lady gagu a proper characterization and more development. treat her like a proper character.
and you get a winner. like American history x.

the way it now, the musicals destroy any good faith that anyone can have.




no, no but the problem you don't get here is that

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BAZINGA

Well, I'm not trying to win anyone over with how I view the film. I know exactly how the film is being viewed, my opinions of it certainly won't make anyone see it otherwise. And yet, I really think Philips and Phoenix don't care if it had been or done x it would have won audiences. They won oscars, they continued how they thought, conceived and perceived these characters exactly where they wanted them to be.

Although I do agree, had it not been a musical, their message and perception of the film probably would have been received marginally better, although I understand the musical aspect. I mean you can tell the musical was phoned in, and that seems intentional af.

 

[Wor-Gar]

At least people are talking about this movie

So many just come and go with any regard -- The Fall Guy... The Crow... Civil War...

 

[Asta]

I watched this today and thought it was an outstanding success.


It was outstanding they were successful in making a sequel that was even more abysmal and depressing than the original.

 

[GaryPool]

At least people are talking about this movie

So many just come and go with any regard -- The Fall Guy... The Crow... Civil War...

I was actually really open to watching the new Crow.

Nothing can take away from 1994, it's one of my all-time favourites.

And I don't usually let accounts like Critical Drinker sway my opinion, but somehow he managed to get a lot of footage from the film, and even as a film it looks solidly *****.

 

[crows]

Well, I'm not trying to win anyone over with how I view the film. I know exactly how the film is being viewed, my opinions of it certainly won't make anyone see it otherwise. And yet, I really think Philips and Phoenix don't care if it had been or done x it would have won audiences. They won oscars, they continued how they thought, conceived and perceived these characters exactly where they wanted them to be.

Although I do agree, had it not been a musical, their message and perception of the film probably would have been received marginally better, although I understand the musical aspect. I mean you can tell the musical was phoned in, and that seems intentional af.

as I was watching this movie and posting here,
I was semi kind of defending it . or at least saying that it was a study on law, prison and mental illness.

but it's just too much of a disgusting and depressing movie.
it's misery porn .might as well be a psychological horror movie. it has a lot of elements to be horror,

At least people are talking about this movie

So many just come and go with any regard -- The Fall Guy... The Crow... Civil War...

and the ones you completely forgot. madam web borderlands.

 

[jye4ever]

GaryPool is the hero Joker 2 needs!

crows is the villain Joker 2 deserves!

 

[Wor-Gar]

and the ones you completely forgot. madam web borderlands.

Exactly. Even sadder.

 

[jye4ever]

Exactly. Even sadder.

Yet both have higher cinema scores!

 

[crows]

GaryPool is the hero Joker 2 needs!

crows is the villain Joker 2 deserves!

 

[xXJ0kerXx1]

but you gotta admit. the musical scenes are awful and unnecessary.

i didnt mind it tbh. knowing how he is as a character in the first, it somewhat made sense to me. certain parts were funny when arthur tried to hit high notes and it was painfully obvious that it might not be his real voice.

some of the songs were unnecessary but others I felt were crucial in explaining how he felt without making the movie stale but I personally like old time-y music so I didn't have many complaints

 

[crows]

i didnt mind it tbh. knowing how he is as a character in the first, it somewhat made sense to me. certain parts were funny when arthur tried to hit high notes and it was painfully obvious that it might not be his real voice.

some of the songs were unnecessary but others I felt were crucial in explaining how he felt without making the movie stale but I personally like old time-y music so I didn't have many complaints

and it's ironic because im calling joker a depressing and disgusting horror like movie that is too horrible

but then the musical scenes bring brightness and fun to the movie and I wanna remove them,
the music scenes are there to cut from the darkness.
but I hated them.

 

[Nick D]

Notice how in this film, there was no real chaos like the first. I don’t need a criminal mastermind, a Ledger reenactment, for the sequel.

What I did need was Arthur to continue the Joker persona he developed at the first films resolve, yet we don’t see a spec of that guy, he’s not present here.

The chaotic riots of the clown movement weren’t even touched on like the first, intentionally. Thomas Wayne, a runner for Mayor was killed due to those riots and yet it has zero impact, on anything. Let’s make a musical.