JURASSIC PARK

[FelMar]

Yeah, it's not out of the question, they could come out with something unexpected down the road, but I think at this point, it's safe to assume it'll be a year or two before we see more JP. Believe me, I'm as eager as anyone to see more from it, my head was spinning with ideas when the license was announced and it saddens me it seems dead so quickly. I'm just looking at what's in front of us and reading it in a glass half empty way.

JP license is basically good for dioramas and maquettes, with the sales trouble Indy figures are having, JP figures would never be worth making. So, with only dios and maquettes really and option for JP, and Sideshow branching off and starting their own line of dino based dios and maquettes, to me that says they're leaving JP behind, they've said hey, we can do this same stuff, but with more freedom and less creative hinderance if we don't do it based off a license and make it up on our own.

Sideshow's full of artists as much as pop culture fans, I'm sure the ones working on the dinos really wanted more creative freedom and making it up yourself allows their minds to really go off, but because it ties into a property that has fandom, it's marketable.

I have learned though, verbage like you posted regarding the license tends to be a PR move to say it's over but in a manner that the reader's brain has to read into it and they haven't flat out said it. Leaves the door open if they want to do something later, but doesn't totally dissappoint if they never do it again because you kinda expected it.

makes perfect sense...

thanks for the insight

 

[Deckard]

How cool would it be to get a Dilophosaurus Diorama. It could be a muddy hillside with the Jeep stuck on the downed tree and Newman from Seinfeld can be laying beside it, then at the bottom you could have the Dilophosaurus about to spit venom at him. They could add the little Barbabsol can with Dino Embryos at the bottom of the hill beng cover in mud as well.


OR Muldoon, the game warden, on his knee aiming the shotgun through the jungle and beside him, the Velociraptor in the bush ready to jump out and grab him.

I'd pay $300 for one of those without a second thought.

 

[Scar]

Yeah, it's not out of the question, they could come out with something unexpected down the road, but I think at this point, it's safe to assume it'll be a year or two before we see more JP. Believe me, I'm as eager as anyone to see more from it, my head was spinning with ideas when the license was announced and it saddens me it seems dead so quickly. I'm just looking at what's in front of us and reading it in a glass half empty way.

JP license is basically good for dioramas and maquettes, with the sales trouble Indy figures are having, JP figures would never be worth making. So, with only dios and maquettes really and option for JP, and Sideshow branching off and starting their own line of dino based dios and maquettes, to me that says they're leaving JP behind, they've said hey, we can do this same stuff, but with more freedom and less creative hinderance if we don't do it based off a license and make it up on our own.

Sideshow's full of artists as much as pop culture fans, I'm sure the ones working on the dinos really wanted more creative freedom and making it up yourself allows their minds to really go off, but because it ties into a property that has fandom, it's marketable.

I have learned though, verbage like you posted regarding the license tends to be a PR move to say it's over but in a manner that the reader's brain has to read into it and they haven't flat out said it. Leaves the door open if they want to do something later, but doesn't totally dissappoint if they never do it again because you kinda expected it.

T2 is a sufficient example. If there isn't something by SDCC then I'll consider it dead. I'm glad their focus is on Dinosauria for the reason that I like them to have latitude and give personality to the dinosaurs. For example, if they threw a bunch of scars and a series of broken ribs and healing tail vertebrae on the Velociraptors in a kitchen dio, furious fans would ballistic. It's nice for them to be able to depict the gritty reality of the life and death struggles that the dinosaurs endured every day. That being said, the male T.rex in TLW was heavily scarred and some version of that would be great to see.

I would say if we get something JP related it would be a Velociraptor or Dilophosaurus maquette. I say this because we know they are currently making an intensely detailed T.rex maquette for the Dinosauria line.

The reality of the situation is that they know fans "reacted really positively" to the sculpt of the JP dio, which was why they released the faux bronze piece to accentuate the sculpt over the poor paint job that the team used in the final production pieces. They wouldn't have had a hard time selling the dio if they: A.) just released the faux bronze to begin with, or B.) gave a good paint job up to the standard we have come to expect from Sideshow rather than one that was notably subpar.

They know the paint apps on the final JP piece were subpar. They realize it. They are going to great lengths in all of their featurettes for Dinosauria to emphasize the color and paint used, and considering the reaction from fans, they are going to correct their paint blunder with future dino pieces. They realize their mistake and they are taking measures to correct it. We'll see just how great those measures are when we get the first Dinosauria pieces in hand. Considering the extremely small edition size for the Dinosauria dio and awareness of fan customer reaction from the paint on the JP dio, I'm confident they'll give us dino pieces to be proud of over the following year and thereafter. Just how soon we'll get another JP product is difficult to say, but at some point seeing it again isn't outlandish. Hell, I'm still waiting for JP on blu-ray... and it better be soon since I've been watching the movie on HBO HD.

 

[FelMar]

I'm waiting for the bluray too !

good points you make, Scar...

I do hope the paint applications on these new dino statues are great cuz the JP one was sloppy and that was a major concern for collectors.

 

[MaulFan]

If nothing else, I'd have loved a Dilophosaurus dio/maquette, I just love the colors and the frill. Raptor and Rex maquettes would be great too. I have nothing against the dinosauria designs, but I love Stan's designs, and that's what I want to spend $100s on, not other concepts.

 

[FelMar]

If nothing else, I'd have loved a Dilophosaurus dio/maquette, I just love the colors and the frill. Raptor and Rex maquettes would be great too. I have nothing against the dinosauria designs, but I love Stan's designs, and that's what I want to spend $100s on, not other concepts.

 

[galactiboy]

Doesn't look good for future JP products:

Now that the Dinosauria line has been announced does that mean there isn’t any chance for more Jurassic Park collectibles? I’m excited for the Dinosauria line, but it would be a shame not to see more from the Jurassic Park line. It just has so much unexplored potential!

We agree that there are other potentials from Jurassic Park, but our focus is currently on Dinosauria.

 

[Scar]

If nothing else, I'd have loved a Dilophosaurus dio/maquette, I just love the colors and the frill. Raptor and Rex maquettes would be great too. I have nothing against the dinosauria designs, but I love Stan's designs, and that's what I want to spend $100s on, not other concepts.

Completely understandable if you're a fan of JP, Stan's creations, and movie monsters in general. I'm a dino fan, though. I'm always intrigued by the work of paleoartists, and if those paleoartists work for Sideshow so much the better.

 

[MaulFan]

I love dinosaurs, but outside of Stan's designs from JP, it'd take a certain piece to get me to spend the big money. I like what Dinosauria's done so far, really impressive stuff, but nothing's stood out to me, not a fan of the poses on the Rex dio, but then, even a JP dio with the wrong pose wouldn't sell to me, it's a combo of design and composition.

 

[tomandshell]

A diorama with Dilophosaurus perched on a Jurassic Park jeep would have been pretty cool.

 

[LOTRFan]

If nothing else, I'd have loved a Dilophosaurus dio/maquette, I just love the colors and the frill. Raptor and Rex maquettes would be great too. I have nothing against the dinosauria designs, but I love Stan's designs, and that's what I want to spend $100s on, not other concepts.

Perhaps there exist new obstacles to licensing now that Stan has passed? More likely however is the freedom SS now has and the relative costs of production.

 

[MaulFan]

I would say the new Alien Queen dio is sign there's no issues with SWS designs. I really think it was that the reaction to the JP piece showed Sideshow that a dinosaur line could do well, but making their own offered totaly artistic freedom and how can you pass on that, something that's got great sales promise but total freedom because it's unlicensed, gotta move on that while you can, and with timing, the Dinosauria project may have been underway before Stan passed.

 

[Scar]

I love dinosaurs, but outside of Stan's designs from JP, it'd take a certain piece to get me to spend the big money. I like what Dinosauria's done so far, really impressive stuff, but nothing's stood out to me, not a fan of the poses on the Rex dio, but then, even a JP dio with the wrong pose wouldn't sell to me, it's a combo of design and composition.

I've heard that from people both for the trike and the rex, that they wanted them to appear grounded and stronger, rather than tumbling through air and vulnerable. That really does exemplify the relationship between those two organisms though. It's all wrapped up in the Red Queen hypothesis, with each animal constantly wrapped in an evolutionary gambit with natural selection trying to outcompete the other. The T.rex is perfectly designed as a fighter, to confront a heavily-armed combatant and slice through both flesh and bone with ease. The Triceratops, you'll notice, while not necessarily a fast animal by any means, is a true tank of an herbivore, built relatively low to the ground for an animal of its mass, with its horns literally the ideal height to plow into the belly of T.rex, the only real predatory threat that existed for an adult Triceratops. I've read a number of journal articles assessing whether or not it may actually have been these two animals which drove each other's coevolution, and it's extremely plausible. At any given moment in any fight, either animal could have killed the other. Both were vulnerable. Its that vulnerability coupled with the ferocity and power of each animal that the diorama captures for me. Those are the reasons I find it not just good in terms of material and pose, but ideal.

 

[Moriaman]

Im gutted to be honest,what they are saying basically is they have no plans to do any JP pieces at this time,i understand they have creative freedom with their new line but isnt that a bit selfish?i mean why spend time and money on generic dino's when your company effectively make movie based products.And with JP you have one of the most successful movies of all time!...As much as i think these new Dino pieces are great (especailly the Maquette),its such a waste of a great liscense imo,i mean imagine a Maquette of any of SWS Dino's!

 

[MaulFan]

How is it selfish for them to make their own line. They're a company who makes a product, it's their nature to make what they want. If they feel they can get more into a line where they have full creative freedom, that's their call. They're under no obligation to do anything for us, it's all their choices.

 

[IronFingaz]

If nothing else, I'd have loved a Dilophosaurus dio/maquette, I just love the colors and the frill. Raptor and Rex maquettes would be great too. I have nothing against the dinosauria designs, but I love Stan's designs, and that's what I want to spend $100s on, not other concepts.

 

[LOTRFan]

I would say the new Alien Queen dio is sign there's no issues with SWS designs.

Yeah could be, but we have no way of knowing how many of the creature designs SS had the license to with the dios (which have been ongoing for 2+ years); JP could have come with different hurdles.

More likely is the latter case though, total freedom; no licensing fees.

 

[Moriaman]

How is it selfish for them to make their own line. They're a company who makes a product, it's their nature to make what they want. If they feel they can get more into a line where they have full creative freedom, that's their call. They're under no obligation to do anything for us, it's all their choices.

Selfish was probably the wrong word but i still think the decision is crazy

 

[Scar]

Selfish was probably the wrong word but i still think the decision is crazy

I understand their decision to focus on Dinosauria, but I am disheartened that they aren't going to be giving us any JP products for a while. An error on the part of the Sideshow team in painting the production pieces shouldn't have been the factor which hurt the line so much. They have themselves to blame for that, and we as fans of the movies and the movies' dinosaurs are paying the price for their mistake.

That said, it's not crazy to focus on a line where you have a lot of creative freedom to depict these animals accurately, dynamically, and dramatically to reflect the daily struggles of simple existence as a dinosaur at that time. I understand and respect the decision, and I look forward to what pieces we will see from Dinosauria, but I also hope to see JP pieces in the future. One dio I would like to see (aside from the Allosaurus vs. Stegosaurus one I continue to mention) would be Carcharodontosaurus (or a pair/pack of them) attacking an Argentinasaurus. That would be fantastic.

Also... just a thought on my part, but I would also like to see Sideshow produce other creatures which weren't necessarily dinosaurs but were prehistoric fauna. For example, mosasaurs, pliosaurs, plesiosaurs, prehistoric sharks, pterosaurs... heck even if they reached back prior to the dinosaurs to animals like gorgonopsids (such as Inostrancevia), Dunkleosteus, Dimetrodon, etc. I would be thrilled. There is so much potential to depict prehistoric life that I would like them to expand their approach.

 

[IrishJedi]

Another lesson learned...

Never EVER get your heart set on a license/brand at Sideshow.

Not even "Star Wars". There is a very real possibility that the SSC 1:6 SW line will end before we see a Chewie, R2, or 3P0.