BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
Hey at least in Japan you can buy pre-worn panties out of vending machines to sniff at your leisure. 
Legalizing Marijuana
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ProgMatinee
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Actually, I said people who GOT CAUGHT MULTIPLE TIMES DESPITE THE THREAT OF GOING TO JAIL were psychotics.
This is a HUGE difference to what you just said.
There is a phrase that says the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again with the same results.
Pot is non-addictive right? So a person should be able to give it up right?
I mean, if the judge said, Prog you give up porn or I'll throw you in prison...I'll be up the creek maybe... but since pot is not addictive when the judge says, "hey thats strike 2, 1 more and its good bye freedom."
You tell me, would a sane person risk that and smoke up again? So someone that does something so trivial, and by all accounts here no different than drinking, with all that at risk, yes to me thats psychosis.
Yeah, no worries, read it over when you get the chance. I didn't include a complete list, but most of Europe doesn't really care whether you're smoking or not, they'll just toss you a fine.
Just to clarify though, decriminalizing/legalizing pot doesn't make a society, and shouldn't be a reason to live anywhere. It just improves it by reducing the people in jail for something that doesn't hurt anyone, and it reduces gangs/criminal activity profits, which helps everyone. So I view it as a big gain for society.
Keeping 6-7 million people out of jail, and saving 5-6 billion a year, when they weren't harming anyone? Don't mind if I do!
Edit : If people disrespect the law because of a lack of reason to obey the law (aside from punishment), they'll keep breaking it. That's not a case of insanity, that's a case of "tough on crime" beliefs not working, because it goes against human psychology. Same reason the death penalty doesn't stop people from murdering others. That's a completely different discussion though, and I don't think this thread can handle a completely different direction, haha.
Just to clarify though, decriminalizing/legalizing pot doesn't make a society, and shouldn't be a reason to live anywhere. It just improves it by reducing the people in jail for something that doesn't hurt anyone, and it reduces gangs/criminal activity profits, which helps everyone. So I view it as a big gain for society.
Keeping 6-7 million people out of jail, and saving 5-6 billion a year, when they weren't harming anyone? Don't mind if I do!
Edit : If people disrespect the law because of a lack of reason to obey the law (aside from punishment), they'll keep breaking it. That's not a case of insanity, that's a case of "tough on crime" beliefs not working, because it goes against human psychology. Same reason the death penalty doesn't stop people from murdering others. That's a completely different discussion though, and I don't think this thread can handle a completely different direction, haha.
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It's simple, if you don't wanna risk going to jail and having your life ruined, then don't do drugs. If you wanna legalize it, work towards that. Pretty sure you don't need to be high to be a lobbyist. If you get caught doing it and get thrown in jail, tough beenie-weenies. You were being dumb.
(this thread is so 2007)
(this thread is so 2007)
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
Thats probably your biggest selling point to me.
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
It's simple, if you don't wanna risk going to jail and having your life ruined, then don't do drugs. If you wanna legalize it, work towards that. Pretty sure you don't need to be high to be a lobbyist. If you get caught doing it and get thrown in jail, tough beenie-weenies. You were being dumb.
(this thread is so 2007)
Marc please get off of your high horse and only speak on the facts.
devilof76
Super Freak
More often than not, if you leave people free to go about their business, the results are far more beneficial for society as a whole than if you were to attempt to control their lives with laws.
Marc please get off of your high horse and only speak on the facts.
Fact: Keith breastfeeds kittens.
I actually thought you'd be more supportive of the government using less money, but the gangs one is good too, considering the rise in massive Mexican cartels.
I read a few months back that most of the Mexican cartels were primary funded by marijuana, I just did a quick google search and this came up :
https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704254604574614230731506644.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/02/us/02pot.html
Interesting stuff!
IronFingaz
GO CELTICS!!!
I'll have to disagree with you on that one because I have to get back to work, but I'm sure we'll have the libertarian/socialist debate again in another thread when I have some more free time.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
let me ask this hypothetical.
would the legalization of pot be worth it if much like alcohol it was shown that certain demographics abuse it and that those demographics that abuse it also received the highest amount of welfare support?
People on this board are probably in relative good financial standing and probably have the surplus funds to spend on "recreational drugs". But what about people who would rather buy pot instead of, I don't know, pay the electric bill or cloth their children properly? It would be nice to say "thats their choice and they can live like that" but we know in reality that their heating bill gets paid and their children get clothed by tax payer dollars.
So in reality, the choices that individuals make affect us all.
And that is my core argument.
Believe it or not, I have not approached this thread with a "its immoral" argument. I can care less on that aspect. I do worse things than smoke pot. But what I do doesn't cost tax payers any money. I would wager that anyone here who smokes pot wouldn't either, but what about all those other people who ALREADY can't afford the necessities. You throw pot in the mix at any grocery store and they come home with the joints instead of the wonderbread and milk that the kids need.
would the legalization of pot be worth it if much like alcohol it was shown that certain demographics abuse it and that those demographics that abuse it also received the highest amount of welfare support?
People on this board are probably in relative good financial standing and probably have the surplus funds to spend on "recreational drugs". But what about people who would rather buy pot instead of, I don't know, pay the electric bill or cloth their children properly? It would be nice to say "thats their choice and they can live like that" but we know in reality that their heating bill gets paid and their children get clothed by tax payer dollars.
So in reality, the choices that individuals make affect us all.
And that is my core argument.
Believe it or not, I have not approached this thread with a "its immoral" argument. I can care less on that aspect. I do worse things than smoke pot. But what I do doesn't cost tax payers any money. I would wager that anyone here who smokes pot wouldn't either, but what about all those other people who ALREADY can't afford the necessities. You throw pot in the mix at any grocery store and they come home with the joints instead of the wonderbread and milk that the kids need.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
Well, the government spending less money would mean more, but I don't buy the argument.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
$160...he's big pimpn
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
hmmm. I just realized legalizing pot might be the first step in Taco Bell's grand scheme first exposed in Demolition Man.
monkeydad16
Super Freak
That's a Goat if I've ever seen one.
Just smoked a bongload and I hope I offended you by it..
Im extremely offended
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