Major League Baseball 2011

[karamazov80]

hes been one of the most dishonest atheletes of our generation

I don't agree with that. At least he ultimately fessed up to some wrongdoing. Most guys who've juiced have never admitted to it and never will. And in football the problem is a lot more pervasive than baseball, so if you're gonna rank players in terms of dishonesty, I gotta figure McGuire is way down that list. That doesn't mean he isn't to be reviled for what he did and stood for, but McGuire is so well known because he is a symbol of the problem and because he profited so heavily from using. Not because he was the worst liar.

As for why the MLB let him coach, it's fairly obvious to me that they didn't treat the steroid issue as a major problem on the order of gambling and they probably never will. The logic is probably something along the lines of--enhancing your body artificially is one thing; the possibility that someone will not be playing to win for the purpose of monetary gain is something else entirely.

 

[quiggle]

so if you were one of the baseball writers would you let him into the Hall of Fame?

 

[Grenouille]

so if you were one of the baseball writers would you let him into the Hall of Fame?

Right now, I would say no, but later on when it came close to the cutoff point for him maybe. I think that will be the case for many of the steroid era players. I don't know if an entire era of baseball can be really be omitted from the record books. It happened, eventually people will accept it and the players will probably be enshrined.

And really, there must be at least 1 if not more steroid users already in the HOF. (Yeah, I'm suspicious of Ripken)

 

[azurepred]

i don't think it's "silly", but ok

my point was that the term choke is now applied to everyone that loses a championship game, but i did feel that last night was indeed a choke. from elvis not throwing to 2nd base in the 8th, to cruz not getting to a ball that he normally gets to in the 9th. i don't think we even need to dive into the fragile mind of feliz. IMO that was their shot and they let it slip away. i fully expect an energized cardinals team to come out tonight and lay a whoopin on us.

yep, the pitching staff choked. They didn't have one pitcher in their lousy bullpen that could get 3 outs. 2 straight innings, in the 9th and 10th with 2 run leads, and couldn't get the job done, that's way worse then wahatever errors happened earlier on in the game for the Cards.

Btw-Holliday will not be playing because of a wrist injury.

 

[The Josh]

Carp to start. Holliday is out.

 

[karamazov80]

so if you were one of the baseball writers would you let him into the Hall of Fame?

McGuire or Pete Rose? Personally, I probably wouldn't let either one of them in. But it gets really messy because they are keeping people out that they speculate used 'roids. I don't think Sosa ever admitted it. Slippery slope.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

selig is the only thing keeping pete rose out of the HOF. once there's a new commissioner he's in

 

[mikedanger]

cruz and napoli in

i actually feel good about seeing carp for the 3rd time in this series...hopefully we can touch him up early

 

[quiggle]

yah you let Mcwire, Sosa, Palmolive in the Hall you got to let Clemons in and who can stomach that?

 

[azurepred]

cruz and napoli in

i actually feel good about seeing carp for the 3rd time in this series...hopefully we can touch him up early

if I were you, I wouldn't be comfortable with any lead the Rangers may have in this game. If they can't pitch, it's all mute, the bullpen's confidence is hanging by a string.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

don't bother.

this is why it should be mandatory for ALL baseball stadiums to have retractable roofs because how can you let nature decide the course of the games especially championships, no wonder they dont do winter states for Super Bowls.

I've learned not to expect much from a guy who started 2 "White Castle" threads and the "Omar Sharif" thread.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

Still recovering from last night.

After Texas won game 5, I gave them a 50-50 chance to win it all. After last night's debacle, I give them a 20% chance of winning today.

Just not sure how you come back from blowing two run leads on two different occasions late in the game. Does anyone trust Neftali Feliz?

 

[mikedanger]

if I were you, I wouldn't be comfortable with any lead the Rangers may have in this game. If they can't pitch, it's all mute, the bullpen's confidence is hanging by a string.

hey, they are pros and have to get out there and shake it off. although i wouldn't expect to see ogando or feliz tonight

 

[ProgMatinee]

Nothing will surprise me tonight. I've seen blowouts both ways and close games both ways after last night's type game.

 

[The Josh]

Should be fun to watch as this whole series has been. Either way whoever wins tonight has earned it.

 

[ProgMatinee]

mos def.

grrrrrreat series. hope it ends on a high note either way. Holliday PH homerun to win the game... oop see they replaced him on the roster.

 

[quiggle]

some of you act like the World Series is first time saw baseball, dont be surprise if both pitchers gone by fourth it cool to see starters come in as relievers allah Randy Johnson game 7 2001 series.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

First game 7 since 2002.

Game time in 10 minutes!

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

2-0 already!

 

[azurepred]

2-0 already!

unless there up 10-0, that don't mean jack.