Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

In reply to GasparZiou (which I some how quoted the wrong post)


Haha I agree I am of the same opinion of you. The destruction in both movies doesn't bother me because preventing was not an option in both films. The hero or protagonist did would ever they could to minimize the damage in both movies. Moreover they risked their lives to save a nation that doesn't even trust them or fully appreciate their help

 

[jye4ever]

Oh, I didn't mind a couple of times. I expected that. That's what happens to Lois.


But every scene Superman was in? She's much too prominent. If it had been twice, I'd have no problem. Did she really need to be at the end though? No way. Who was that secretary chick, the Jenny girl? They could have EASILY wrote her out and put Lois in her stead at the film's climax and have Perry save her. The Jenny girl wasn't built up at all. Atleast Perry had a few scenes earlier in the film. Just have him go in and save Lois, or have those two working together to get out of the rubble. Classic Lois and Perry. It's be appropriate after their whole issue of going/not going with the story Lois was making. Right?

Or hell, you want role reversal, have Perry be trapped in the rubble and give Lois something to do.


The last couple of saves, boarding Kryptonian vessels, being with THE ARMY, just didn't make any sense.

I like that Lois saving Perry angle after he had suspended her.

Jenny's character absolutely worthless.

Damn it, I hate when **** like this is thought up in a damn forum but not with the "filmakers/writers".

That's a real good one DiFabio.

 

[IrishJedi]

Amy Adam does Lois Lane things throughout her entire stint in the film and is either in the middle of the action or in peril at almost every turn. Again, pure Lois Lane.

Now, I can understand why other incarnations have gone away from that. But they decided to go to the character's roots this time and embrace those tropes unashamedly. I dig it.

 

[GasparZizou]

How hard is it to put the key in the key hole? I would hope anyone would know how to make that work, it's not rocket science.

As soon as you put that damn thing in, there's "sorta real" Jor-El telling you what to do.

If you remember, they key was stuck and wouldn't go all the way in... She didn't just stay there because the breeze felt nice.

 

[CelticPredator]

I was shocked when they killed that poor Scientist for no reason.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Lois did get far too much to do in the movie. A fair bit of shoehorning her into the plot to fill all kinds of roles instead of just Love Interest and Journalist.

Col. Hardy.: we need someone to arm the bomb. Now let me see, Scientist guy? Nope, Soldier? Nope, ah "Journalist" Perfect.

 

[Khev]

Amy Adam does Lois Lane things throughout her entire stint in the film and is either in the middle of the action or in peril at almost every turn. Again, pure Lois Lane.

Now, I can understand why other incarnations have gone away from that. But they decided to go to the character's roots this time and embrace those tropes unashamedly. I dig it.

I also think she did the best job in "grounding everything in reality" just in her performance alone. A perfect example was her sitting across a table from a guy in blue spandex and just the look on her face when she says, "well here its an 'S'." She nailed the combination of awe and "are you serious?" that a girl of her nature under those circumstances would convey.

 

[DiFabio]

If you remember, they key was stuck and wouldn't go all the way in... She didn't just stay there because the breeze felt nice.

Again, does it take a rocket scientist to know what to do in that situation? That's what you're saying here. You're saying, it takes someone with "experience" to put a shaped key into a corresponding shaped hole and what to do when said key is stuck and doesn't go in all the way (that's what she said).

Wait, hahaha, wasn't the actual scientist on board? A scientist doesn't know what to do in that situation, but a reporting journalist does? Hamilton had a good idea about all that Krypton crap!

Lois should have been at the Daily Bugle, with Perry. It's cool seeing her in the action, looking for trouble, her being saved by Superman, but NOT every scene she's in. How is that any good? Everytime I was thinking, "well, she'll be saved again" or, "there she is, right in the middle of this crap . . . doing nothing".

Then when she comes running, just in time to witness Supes break Zod's neck, I lost it. Well, I didn't lose it but, yeah, Lois being around is at every turn, danger or not.


I'm surprised Goyer didn't write her in as Clark's childhood friend too. Instead of that nerdy red headed dude that works at Ihop, it could have been her too. Maybe give her an arrow head after Clark falls into the shed and is scared of the barn hay.

 

[jye4ever]

I liked the TDK interrogation room part, she was cute in that.

But at the end, Superman couldn't found a pregnant Batman to hug.

 

[CelticPredator]

An ideal of IHOP.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Again, does it take a rocket scientist to know what to do in that situation? That's what you're saying here. You're saying, it takes someone with "experience" to put a shaped key into a corresponding shaped hole and what to do when said key is stuck and doesn't go in all the way (that's what she said).

Wait, hahaha, wasn't the actual scientist on board? A scientist doesn't know what to do in that situation, but a reporting journalist does? Hamilton had a good idea about all that Krypton crap!

Lois should have been at the Daily Bugle, with Perry. It's cool seeing her in the action, looking for trouble, her being saved by Superman, but NOT every scene she's in. How is that any good? Everytime I was thinking, "well, she'll be saved again" or, "there she is, right in the middle of this crap . . . doing nothing".

Then when she comes running, just in time to witness Supes break Zod's neck, I lost it. Well, I didn't lose it but, yeah, Lois being around is at every turn, danger or not.


I'm surprised Goyer didn't write her in as Clark's childhood friend too. Instead of that nerdy red headed dude that works at Ihop, it could have been her too. Maybe give her an arrow head after Clark falls into the shed and is scared of the barn hay.

Lois lane is no different then pepper pot, mary jane rachael dawes, etc. . Tony has to save pepper in all 3 movies because she always ends up in harms ways. Batman saves rachael in the first movie twice and again in the 2nd even though the 4th save was not successful. I don't see the problem with Lois being everywhere when in the first superman movies Lex Luther was able to cover great distances and instantly appear wherever the plot needed him to be.

My bet is that the same thing happens in Thor 2 with Jane. All superhero movies do this from Rachael in Nolan's Batman's to Mary Jane in the Rami spidermans, always convienently being at the wrong place at the right time for the love interest/hero to save the day.

 

[DiFabio]

But at the end, Superman couldn't found a pregnant Batman to hug.

Ugh, you just ruined that scene for me even more. I never thought of that.

Now when ever I see MOS again, I'll have that ****ing image in my head when Superman falls to his knees and hugs Lois.

Thanks for that.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

IM3 -

Spoiler

The not really Mandarin ploy.

MOS - Saving the planet doesn't matter if you don't see the lives lost.


I wonder what one scene or event from The Wolverine & Thor will divide viewers

 

[CelticPredator]

It'll probably the scene no one knows about because no one has seen it.

 

[Khev]

Lets not spoil twists from other movies in this thread guys.

 

[jye4ever]

Ugh, you just ruined that scene for me even more. I never thought of that.

Now when ever I see MOS again, I'll have that ****ing image in my head when Superman falls to his knees and hugs Lois.

Thanks for that.

I had wiped it out of mind until you posted that pic in the TDK thread.

But this is real damage here.

 

[GasparZizou]

But it DID require someone experienced, you remember how the scientist asks her "what's it supposed to do?", it only makes sense that she stayed there with him struggling with the key, I don't see any point in complaining about that bit.

Although the fact that she got so fast to the metro station that was indeed weird.

 

[CelticPredator]

Everyone knows the twists Khev. There's literally no place on earth you can hide from them.

Spoilers are always going to come out. It's the person who hasn't seen the movie yet's fault at this point.

 

[DiFabio]

And on the subject of tropes.


How come I see people criticize the likes of Pepper Potts, Mary Jane, Rachel etc. needing to be saved, but then when it happens in this, it's all fine? For weeks I've heard *****ing about Pepper Potts, for years I've heard the same old crap about Mary Jane.

Then it falls back on what the character does, what the classic stories have.


Well, don't all those classic stories have Lois Lane being completely oblivious to the fact that Clark Kent is Superman? That is Lane's "thing" isn't it? The best reporter in the world and she can't even tell that the guy sitting right in front of her is Superman. This movie doesn't even leave that idea open, they completely demolish it and have Lois and everyone and their mother (and that's not expression, it's true) about how special Clark is.


Now you might say, "well, that's silly, this is a realistic, film take of Superman, she'd know who he was instantly". But being in every scene with Superman every step of the way and being saved in every scene isn't silly? I just don't get it. A couple of times is fine, I've stated that but it's literally every scene. It's the same beats, it the same situations, just different locations and dangers.


How come it's okay for somethings and they get a free pass, but we'll all rip others for doing the same exact thing? Makes no sense to me.

 

[IrishJedi]

And on the subject of tropes.


How come I see people criticize the likes of Pepper Potts, Mary Jane, Rachel etc. needing to be saved, but then when it happens in this, it's all fine? For weeks I've heard *****ing about Pepper Potts, for years I've heard the same old crap about Mary Jane.

Rachel isn't a real Batman character. Batman hardly ever interacts with recurring damsels in distress in the comics. In fact, the contrived love interests is one of the things that sucks about every Batman movie so far.

No problem with Mary Jane (aside being played by Snaggletooth in the Raimi films).

The Pepper character is not an issue for me on paper, it's just that Gwyneth Paltrow is insufferable.