Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[CelticPredator]

You really underestimate the power of visuals.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Just saying its a very trivial thing to bother people. Also u can't pick and chose when its bad to see. If its bad in man of steel, its bad in avengers and Thor as well. How does seeing a buildings fall bother you that that much when u know its freak in fake anyway. Jeez its there just to add drama and peril to the movie. I actually assumed all buildings were evacuated because in real life they would be. If anything they had more time to evacuate in man of steel then avengers, because zod asked Kal to turn himself in before setting off the world builder machine but after the ship was parked in the metropolis skyline. Everyone would have started evacuating except for the crazy news people which was why daily planet people were still there. Having news people in harms way is realistic, when u cover wars and natural disasters u expect some casualties; its part of the job

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

So a 1 minute scene with candles added in would have changed your whole opinion of the movie. Honestly care less about all the damage in the avengers or man of steel. They way I look at it, without them fighting the good fight the damage would have been a hellof a lot worse.

I don't even remember this Candle Vigil

All i know is heroes fought bad guys who phantom menaced at the end and they all drove off into the sunset

 

[DiFabio]

So a 1 minute scene with candles added in would have changed your whole opinion of the movie. Honestly care less about all the damage in the avengers or man of steel. They way I look at it, without them fighting the good fight the damage would have been a hellof a lot worse.

The scene with Clark Kent playing hero (uhh, Superman I guess ) with the shirt out in the backyard with the dog was pretty powerful and it was less than a minute. I thought that was a really great visual for the character.


I mean, there's something wrong when you literally focus on the death of civilians (I counted a dozen bodies getting smashed in the ground), even having that Perry White and secretary scene, but then you don't have an aftermath scene? Better yet, the scenes you show after are of an army chick saying "he's kinda" hot and the Daily Planet, somehow in great condition with everyone smiling? Destruction and death, then immediately jumping into upbeat and happy? There wasn't even a transition. Just, "BAM, you won't be spying on me hanging up my cape any time soon" then, "welcome to the not so damaged Daily Planet".


But eh, you're right, who cares. We saw epic battles of Superman and mass destruction. GOOD ENOUGH!

 

[DiFabio]

All i know is heroes fought bad guys who phantom menaced at the end and they all drove off into the sunset

And getting "phantom zoned" into a black hole that Lois Lane miraculously escapes in the nick of time is soooooo much better. That's not convenient at all.


I actually felt bad for Colonel Law and Order and Scientist dude dying, but Lois getting out unscathed. But hey, the plot needed the Kryptonian to magically disappear, so it had to happen.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I hated that Satellite/General scene

 

[GasparZizou]

Well actually, if it wasn't for Supes, Lois would've got sucked into the PZ too, even Supes had a hard time escaping the black hole.

 

[chewblacca]

I hated that Satellite/General scene

That's what I've been saying from the jump!

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

That's what I've been saying from the jump!

Why did you hate it?

 

[jye4ever]

So a 1 minute scene with candles added in would have changed your whole opinion of the movie. Honestly care less about all the damage in the avengers or man of steel. They way I look at it, without them fighting the good fight the damage would have been a hellof a lot worse.

I agree with the whole sacrificing 1 million to save 4.5 billion, but it was odd to just cut to everyone happy.

Even if Luthor will be using the destruction against Superman in MOS 2, they at least should've touched upon the devastation, then go to the hot guy and baketball tickets.

 

[chewblacca]

Why did you hate it?

I hated it because we just cut from him killing someone to more destruction. He's supposed to be here to help, he wre is a city, kills a man, then he screams and we're supposed to believe that he feels bad about it, and that maybe he's learned the cost of having us h great power, but no he still destroying stuff. And also be wise the general is so mad he can't even curse correctly. "Are you out of your f'n mind!"

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I agree with the whole sacrificing 1 million to save 4.5 billion, but it was odd to just cut to everyone happy.

Even if Luthor will be using the destruction against Superman in MOS 2, they at least should've touched upon the devastation, then go to the hot guy and baketball tickets.

Poor taste I agree. My contention is with the people that assume there were massive casualties and somehow came to the conclusion that superman caused the damage in metropolis or could have done something different to prevent it. Moreover the same people that complain about the devastation in a fictional city called metropolis do not mind the damage and destruction of a real city called New York in the Avengers. Especially when the worm whole just appeared and there was no time for evacuation as there was in man of steel from zods first contact until the world builder was set off

That hack writer Landis said it invoked 911, however as far as I remember 911 was a spontaneous sneak attack much like the chitari in avengers. They definitely didn't announce themselves like zod did

 

[DiFabio]

My contention is with the people that assume there were massive casualties and somehow came to the conclusion that superman caused the damage in metropolis or could have done something different to prevent it.

Except in Avengers, we don't really see people getting lifted up to the sky and then getting slammed into concrete submission again and again and again.

We know people in Avengers die but they don't show it. They still give the audience a little aftermath scene that feels appropriate.

Man of Steel shows us the destruction, bodies flying, buildings toppling over on people, cars exploding and flattening business people and going up into the air screaming, but never touches on the aftermath again.

Moreover the same people that complain about the devastation in a fictional city called metropolis do not mind the damage and destruction of a real city called New York in the Avengers. Especially when the worm whole just appeared and there was no time for evacuation as there was in man of steel from zods first contact until the world builder was set off

Both are fictional film worlds with the intent of telling a story with a tone.

Man of Steel gets so caught up in protecting humanity, showing humanity, giving hope to humanity, then you get all this destruction and it cuts to big smiles, one liners, "what are ya gonna do when you're not saving the world", happy, happy. That's the wrong kind of tone. What's Superman doing in his free time after the battle? Not pulling people out of rubble, no real concern for people that died (other than Zod). He's taking drones out of the sky and smashing them down to earth saying "you don't know who I am, and you never will". Now that's cool in it's own right, I can dig that in a different context. That's a badass Superman. But after the destruction of Metropolis? After the death of humans? After you cry out breaking the villain's neck? Again, wrong tone.

Avengers didn't do that and it was lighter. It had a nice little sequence that depicts THE PEOPLE that the heroes were saving before going with the satisfying, "we caught Loki, we saved the world, we're going off doing our thing" ending.

Avengers also doesn't shove "the people" down the audiences throat. The movie was more about unlikely heroes coming together to fight unstoppable forces. About "Avenging", even if they might not be able to save the people that need their help. Not evolution, not "codexs", not people vs. aliens and hope.


That's why people are *****ing about it with MOS.

 

[jye4ever]

Moreover the same people that complain about the devastation in a fictional city called metropolis do not mind the damage and destruction of a real city called New York in the Avengers.

For story sake Metropolis is just as real as NY.

It's up to the filmakers to make us care about a made up city as much as we care about a real one.

GL failed at that.

MOS kinda succeeded but then forgot about them with jokes. after they died.

"How many Metropolitans does it take to hold up a building?"

"I don't know, ask Superman"

 

[GasparZizou]

I don't recall seeing a scene where the avengers are helping to reconstruct New York after the attacks, or pulling people out of the debris, you can't possibly know what Supes was doing immediately after he kills Zod, they don't show that, you can be sure as hell he's helping now that he doesn't have 3 demigods beating his ***.

 

[jye4ever]

I don't recall seeing a scene where the avengers are helping to reconstruct New York after the attacks, or pulling people out of the debris, you can't possibly know what Supes was doing immediately after he kills Zod, they don't show that, you can be sure as hell he's helping now that he doesn't have 3 demigods beating his ***.

I like that idea, wish they showed it.

You don't think it's weird that they went straight to jokes.

 

[Kamandi]

If you hates S1/S2, youz a fool and a sucka!

Truer words were never spoken.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Except in Avengers, we don't really see people getting lifted up to the sky and then getting slammed into concrete submission again and again and again.

We know people in Avengers die but they don't show it. They still give the audience a little aftermath scene that feels appropriate.

Man of Steel shows us the destruction, bodies flying, buildings toppling over on people, cars exploding and flattening business people and going up into the air screaming, but never touches on the aftermath again.




Both are fictional film worlds with the intent of telling a story with a tone.

Man of Steel gets so caught up in protecting humanity, showing humanity, giving hope to humanity, then you get all this destruction and it cuts to big smiles, one liners, "what are ya gonna do when you're not saving the world", happy, happy. That's the wrong kind of tone. What's Superman doing in his free time after the battle? Not pulling people out of rubble, no real concern for people that died (other than Zod). He's taking drones out of the sky and smashing them down to earth saying "you don't know who I am, and you never will". Now that's cool in it's own right, I can dig that in a different context. That's a badass Superman. But after the destruction of Metropolis? After the death of humans? After you cry out breaking the villain's neck? Again, wrong tone.

Avengers didn't do that and it was lighter. It had a nice little sequence that depicts THE PEOPLE that the heroes were saving before going with the satisfying, "we caught Loki, we saved the world, we're going off doing our thing" ending.

Avengers also doesn't shove "the people" down the audiences throat. The movie was more about unlikely heroes coming together to fight unstoppable forces. About "Avenging", even if they might not be able to save the people that need their help. Not evolution, not "codexs", not people vs. aliens and hope.


That's why people are *****ing about it with MOS.

A scene of some people cowering in a dark hole and then the "ceiling" being lifted off revealing Superman holding the rubble up and people being in awe of him and scrambling out would've been great.

But without that scene the movie suffers little imo.

 

[chewblacca]

I like that idea, wish they showed it.

You don't think it's weird that they went straight to jokes.

I know what you mean. Snyder could of pulled a Star Trek. You know how at the end of a Star Trek episode, in the last two minutes the captain does a recap on how everything was fine and efforts were underway to make repairs. Then they show the crew talking reflectively about the whole experience. That's what MOS needed a moment after the devastation to reflect.

 

[CelticPredator]

Star Trek's ending was pretty baffling.

What's up with 9/11 references? Why do we need them?