Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[Darklord Dave]

Re: The Man of Steel

I've had this argument in other threads but Rorie points out Clark as a wimp makes Superman uninteresting. And I'd agree with that. I vastly prefer the Clark of Smallville, Lois & Clark and the Byrne reboot to how Donner and Singer portrayed him the films.

But the arguments put forth about why Superman is boring show that those making those agruments aren't that familiar with the evolution of the character in the past 30 years.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Re: The Man of Steel

I've had this argument in other threads but Rorie points out Clark as a wimp makes Superman uninteresting. And I'd agree with that. I vastly prefer the Clark of Smallville, Lois & Clark and the Byrne reboot to how Donner and Singer portrayed him the films.

George Reeves has always been my favorite live-action portrayal of Clark. He did the best job of making Clark the real person and Superman the disguise.

 

[Entropy]

Re: The Man of Steel

Kingdom Come is my favorite depiction of Superman by far.

Living in exile in his Fortress, pretending it's his Kansas farm. A great blend of both identities. Brilliant characterization.

 

[nash]

Re: The Man of Steel

I've had this argument in other threads but Rorie points out Clark as a wimp makes Superman uninteresting. And I'd agree with that. I vastly prefer the Clark of Smallville, Lois & Clark and the Byrne reboot to how Donner and Singer portrayed him the films.

But the arguments put forth about why Superman is boring show that those making those agruments aren't that familiar with the evolution of the character in the past 30 years.

so youre telling me that Bruce Banner is not a wimp? Why would that persona make Superman uninteresting? It's the yin and yang of the character. One side is a God and the other side the total opposite.

 

[nash]

Re: The Man of Steel

Call Conan boring again and he will feed your genitals to the Jackels..

conan is as boring as Gasol is SOFT.


in a word.... VERY

 

[abstractharmony]

Re: The Man of Steel

OK - required Superman reading :-

Man of Steel (or Birthright if you are a kewl kid)
Whatever happened to the man of Tommorrow
For the Man who has everything
The entire Byrne Superman/Action Comics Run
Red Son & Kingdom Come - for 'alternative' takes on Superman
Action Comics Archive No. 1 - Forget the art, read the stories and then telll me Superman is boring.
All Star Superman
Lex Luthor Man of Steel (for Lex's side of argument)

That's all stuff that is readily available at your local comic store. If you truly believe that Supes is boring an outdated read these.

I could also give you a HUGE list of some back issues from the last 70 years with some of my personal favourites.

Bottom line? If you believe Superman is irrelevant then you are wrong. Plain wrong. We need him as a character now more than ever.

Also now is great time to jump on boardc the Superman monthlies with Johns and Robinson literally starting a 'fresh' run now. The last Action comics issue was brilliant with stunning art by Gary Frank for all of Chris Reeve fans.

 

[Shai]

Re: The Man of Steel

OK - required Superman reading :-

Man of Steel (or Birthright if you are a kewl kid)
Whatever happened to the man of Tommorrow
For the Man who has everything
The entire Byrne Superman/Action Comics Run
Red Son & Kingdom Come - for 'alternative' takes on Superman
Action Comics Archive No. 1 - Forget the art, read the stories and then telll me Superman is boring.
All Star Superman
Lex Luthor Man of Steel (for Lex's side of argument)

That's all stuff that is readily available at your local comic store. If you truly believe that Supes is boring an outdated read these.

I could also give you a HUGE list of some back issues from the last 70 years with some of my personal favourites.

Bottom line? If you believe Superman is irrelevant then you are wrong. Plain wrong. We need him as a character now more than ever.

Also now is great time to jump on boardc the Superman monthlies with Johns and Robinson literally starting a 'fresh' run now. The last Action comics issue was brilliant with stunning art by Gary Frank for all of Chris Reeve fans.

Funny thing Abstracht is the Superman fans of this thread are those who love him from the movies and probably have never followed his changes in the comics.And I agree with the guy sayin Superman in Kingdom come was great.But no one here will make me like that POS that was Superman Returns.

 

[abstractharmony]

Re: The Man of Steel

Funny thing Abstracht is the Superman fans of this thread are those who love him from the movies and probably have never followed his changes in the comics.And I agree with the guy sayin Superman in Kingdom come was great.But no one here will make me like that POS that was Superman Returns.

Superman Returns is indefensible.

The only decent part of that movie, in my opinion, was the shuttle rescue.

Routh was great as Supes. I'd love to see him in the real costume and in a decent script.

 

[nash]

Re: The Man of Steel

I fail to see how superman returns was any worse of a movie than all of the batman movies pre-bale. IMO those were laughable and indefensible but people still like them for some reason. Same goes for the first hulk film, SM3, X3, what else?

 

[abstractharmony]

Re: The Man of Steel

I fail to see how superman returns was any worse of a movie than all of the batman movies pre-bale. IMO those were laughable and indefensible but people still like them for some reason. Same goes for the first hulk film, SM3, X3, what else?

No argument from me there Nash m'man.

Although Clooney made an excellent Bruce Wayne and the first 10 minutes of Batman forever were good stuff.

 

[McHavyck]

Re: The Man of Steel

I fail to see how superman returns was any worse of a movie than all of the batman movies pre-bale. IMO those were laughable and indefensible but people still like them for some reason. Same goes for the first hulk film, SM3, X3, what else?

don't forget Fantastic Four and Ghost Rider.

 

[nash]

Re: The Man of Steel

don't forget Fantastic Four and Ghost Rider.

oh yes, forgot about those. Except for Alba in a skin tight suit.

 

[OSCORP]

Re: The Man of Steel

Why would that persona make Superman uninteresting? It's the yin and yang of the character. One side is a God and the other side the total opposite.

Exactly! I love the clumsy nerdy clark by CR and now Routh.

 

[McHavyck]

Re: The Man of Steel

oh yes, forgot about those. Except for Alba in a skin tight suit.

yes, that part was rather nice.

 

[IrishJedi]

Re: The Man of Steel

I fail to see how superman returns was any worse of a movie than all of the batman movies pre-bale. IMO those were laughable and indefensible but people still like them for some reason. Same goes for the first hulk film, SM3, X3, what else?

 

[JGouse0498]

Re: The Man of Steel

oh yes, forgot about those. Except for Alba in a skin tight suit.

Yeah, except Jessica Alba just needs to not talk in the process...

 

[Darth Caedus]

Re: The Man of Steel

Funny thing Abstracht is the Superman fans of this thread are those who love him from the movies and probably have never followed his changes in the comics.And I agree with the guy sayin Superman in Kingdom come was great.But no one here will make me like that POS that was Superman Returns.

I can agree with that, if only because the movies reach more people than the comics. But the movies give the overall theme of who the character is in the comics. I mean, the crisis nurfed his powers and changed him, but his overall character has always usually been the same

 

[gdb]

Re: The Man of Steel

If anyone's interested, here's the old Kevin Smith reboot script from the 1990s that was almost made: https://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/superman-lives-script.html Makes for interesting reading but realize that Nic Cage was hired as Superman and Tim Burton was hired to direct. It got very close to being filmed before this project was euthanized.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Re: The Man of Steel

If anyone's interested, here's the old Kevin Smith reboot script from the 1990s that was almost made: https://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/superman-lives-script.html Makes for interesting reading but realize that Nic Cage was hired as Superman and Tim Burton was hired to direct. It got very close to being filmed before this project was euthanized.

Just finished reading it. While I thought it was decent, I wouldn't want that script to be made into a movie. I can't put my finger on it, but something about it just didn't fly with me.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: The Man of Steel

I was never a fan of the Smith script either - perhaps it was the Jon Peters influence, but it didn't impress me when I read it many years ago.