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All Star Superman is a great story and incidentally one of the few Supes stories I even take the time to read anymore. Not since the Jim Lee take a while back has anyone done anything smart with Superman, but Morrison really did it with this story. It can get a bit weird and some of the story gets a bit muddled... but it's still great.

If the new film was anything like that, it would be amazing.
 
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I'm a huge Superman fan and always have been and I thought All-Star Superman was incredibly overrated. Perhaps the whimsy is appealing to non-Superman fans, but it felt like Morrison and the artist were just making fun of him. Thank god Morrison has nothing to do with a Superman movie.
 
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It seems that to be a fan of All Star Superman or All Star Batman & Robin, you have to not be a fan of the canon books. Conversely, fans of the other books don't take to the All Star lines.
 
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What I find more interesting is that stories continue to leak out about a Superman reboot. Whether its from Mark Millar or Grant Morrison it appears that whether Singer is at the helm or not, that there is strong mounting evidence that the studio may want to undo Superman Returns.
 
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The next film should be a reboot, but not necessarily to undo Superman Returns. It was a nice love letter to the Donner films, but now it's time to leave that legacy in the past and start a new one for a new generation.
 
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Future doubtful for Superman sequel as director takes on new TV project
By David Bentley


THE CHANCES of director Bryan Singer making his proposed Man of Steel sequel to 2006's Superman Returns appeared to suffer another blow today.

Singer is now in talks to direct a new US TV series called Studio, about the hedonistic New York culture that led to the formation of world-famous nightclub Studio 54 in the late 70s, says Hollywood Reporter.

He's also been named as a producer on two upcoming movies adapted from new comicbooks - Capeshooters and Freedom Formula.

Some superhero fans fans believe Singer's involvement with other projects, in the absence of any official announcement on the Man of Steel sequel, is a sign he has moved on from the Superman franchise after his first attempt underperformed financially and caused an extreme love/hate division among Superman fans. Others say Singer is known for multi-tasking and could still make another Superman film, but there has been no official word on a sequel in the two years since the first movie.

Singer is executive producer of the TV medical drama House and also executive-produced TV miniseries The Triangle about the mysteries of the Bermuda Triangle.
 
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Director Zack Snyder reveals he said 'no' to Superman movie
By David Bentley on Jul 29, 08


ZACK SNYDER - the director of Spartans-on-steroids war epic '300' and upcoming comicbook adaption Watchmen - has revealed he turned down the chance to make a Superman film.

Snyder said he felt Superman was too difficult and too 'earnest' to successfully translate to the screen because the so-called ultimate boy-scout with his code of truth, justice and the American way doesn't fit today's darker times.

The director told USA Today: "They asked me to direct a Superman movie, and I said no. He's a tricky one nowadays, isn't he? He's the king daddy of all comicbook heroes, but I'm just not sure how you sell that kind of earnestness to a sophisticated audience anymore."
Attempts by Bryan Singer to add more angst and flawed behaviour to Superman in his 2006 endeavour Superman Returns did not go down well with many fans, who felt this was a mischaracterisation.

Only this weekend, the Sunday Times newspaper in the UK (which rated The Dark Knight at 2 out of 5) criticised the current trend for heroes with deep psychological flaws - such as Batman, Hulk, Hancock and Iron Man.
 
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The director told USA Today: "They asked me to direct a Superman movie, and I said no. He's a tricky one nowadays, isn't he? He's the king daddy of all comicbook heroes, but I'm just not sure how you sell that kind of earnestness to a sophisticated audience anymore."

I agree Superman is a tough sell nowadays, but it's not because the audience is more sophisticated. I think jaded is a more appropriate word.
 
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I think Snyder being asked is proof positive that WB is looking for another director for the franchise.
 
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Yeah, I'd be shocked if we see another Superman film from Singer. If that were going to happen, the wheels would already be in motion.
 
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Could be Singer is just waiting for a script that he and the studio likes to be done. And Snyder could have been asked a long time ago - there's no date reference in his statement.

Iron Man isn't dark and is a successful superhero movie - sure Tony is more flawed than Clark, but Smallville has proved that Clark can be interesting.

In fact with the success of Sex in the City, Warners should see that transplanting a TV property to the big screen can work and make a Smallville to Metropolis film.
 
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I would assume it was for the new film. Superman Returns was released in 2006 and Singer was working on it for a year right? The 300 was also released in 2006 and before that Synder had done Dawn of the Dead which doesn't scream to me and I'm sure didn't scream to Warners "This is our new Superman director." For him to be asked for Returns he'd had to be approached about the time Dawn of the Dead's release which was 2004. Plus Synder was a huge hit after the 300 and it'd make more sense for them to go to him if Singer wasn't going to work out for Man of Steel.

I would bet good money that his asking was for MOS and not prior.

As for the Metropolis film, with Rosenbaum leaving they'd need to get him back for the film because without the great dynamic already built between Lex and Clark set up to its natural end in Metropolis it wouldn't be worth seeing. Second, Welling has been opposed to playing Superman for some time now. Third, WB has no problem having Justice League: Mortal or at least had no problem, with them coexisting with the Batman and Superman Franchises in tandem so if they did do "Metropolis" it'd be released in concurrence most likely and not in place of.
 
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How To Reboot The Superman Movie Franchise — Comic Writers Chime In
Published by Jennifer Vineyard on Monday, August 11, 2008 at 12:15 pm.

On the one hand, you’ve got “Batman Begins” and “The Dark Knight.” On the other, “Superman Returns.” So if you’re Warner Bros., what do you do to revitalize your other superhero? We asked a few comic book writers who know the Man of Steel best.

“‘Superman Returns’ didn’t work for a lot of reasons,” Grant Morrison said.

“I so wanted that movie to work,” said Mark Waid, “but every choice they made in that movie was wrong. If you’re making the movie in a vacuum, and there will be no other Superman movies ever again, go ahead and give him a son. But otherwise, that’s a staggeringly awful idea. What are you going to do next? Either the kid has to be a part of his life, or get superpowers, which no one wants to see. I want to go to them and say, ‘What were you thinking?’”

“The idea was to make an American Christ figure, but what they centered on was his weakness,” Morrison said. “They made him more a lamb of God, rather than give us a real powerful Superman. They had too many scenes where he’s being kicked to the floor, and that’s not Superman. Superman would get up and fight.”

So these comics book writers are getting up and fighting too. Both Morrison and Geoff Johns have pitched the film studio on how to reboot Superman — properly reboot him, as if “Superman Returns” didn’t even happen.

“I told them, it’s not that bad,” Morrison said. “Just treat ‘Superman Returns’ as the Ang Lee ‘Hulk.’”

“‘The Hulk’ has proven the audience will forgive you and let you redo the franchise,” Waid said. “You can reboot from scratch.”

Morrison’s idea was a more “tight and concise” take on his “All-Star Superman,” so you’d see Superman address his mortality. And Waid suggests they take a look at his hard reboot, “Superman: Birthright.” But Brad Meltzer also has an idea that could work as the basis for the character, based on research for his upcoming “Book of Lies.”

“Superman is a character more recognizable than Abraham Lincoln or Mickey Mouse,” Meltzer said. “But no one knows crap about Mickey Mouse. He’s a symbol. Understanding a soul is much harder. So don’t treat him like a walking American flag.”

To understand Superman, Meltzer says, you have to know why Superman was created in the first place — because a young Jerry Siegel’s father was shot and killed in 1932 (a fact first uncovered by Gerard Jones in “Men of Tomorrow: Geeks, Gangsters and the Birth of the Comic Book”).

“Superman was created not because America is the greatest country on earth, not because Moses came to save us from Krypton, but because a little boy lost his father,” Meltzer said. “In his first appearances, he couldn’t fly. He didn’t have X-ray vision. He was only bulletproof. So Superman’s not a character built out of strength, but out of loss.”

“When you hear that, it puts on a whole new spin on Superman and his origins,” Waid said. “The understanding was that Batman was born out of traged and Superman out of hope and aspiration, and it turns out that it’s about not wanting to lose your loved ones. That’s critical, and it means that we can connect with him. He’s not an untouchable character. Bad things still happen to him. His father passes away, and his powers can’t save him.”

And even if Superman still seems like too much of a Boy Scout, we’re supposed to be identifying with Clark Kent anyway. “Everybody knows what it’s like to see the pretty girl and think, ‘If only she could see me for who I really was,’” Waid said. “Past the glasses and acne or whatever. But he has to hide, and half his co-workers don’t even know his name. That’s a critical part, too.”

“It is so much deeper than, ‘He’s an alien with superpowers,’” Meltzer said. “I never wanted to write a Superman movie before, but I do now. I understand what Superman is now.”
 
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Where is Superman Headed?
Source: Variety August 19, 2008


Variety's Anne Thompson reports that Superman: Man of Steel is in a holding pattern at Warner Bros. Pictures as the studio figures out what to do next. Here's a clip:

They too believe that the last movie didn't break the mold and wound up in some kind of middle limbo. Today I was told that it is a priority at the studio to find the right direction and if Bryan Singer is willing to do that, fine, but if he gets in the way, he may not stay on the project. There are no writers working on a Superman script now. The studio wants to figure it out. "It might be better to start from scratch," one exec admitted.


This begs the question would Singer be willing to undo his last film at the Studio's say so? One would think that the studio saying that is just playing politics but if they decide reboot then he'd leave the franchise out of artistic integrity alone wouldn't he?
 
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Morrison’s idea was a more “tight and concise” take on his “All-Star Superman,” so you’d see Superman address his mortality. And Waid suggests they take a look at his hard reboot, “Superman: Birthright.” But Brad Meltzer also has an idea that could work as the basis for the character, based on research for his upcoming “Book of Lies.”

“Superman is a character more recognizable than Abraham Lincoln or Mickey Mouse,” Meltzer said. “But no one knows crap about Mickey Mouse. He’s a symbol. Understanding a soul is much harder. So don’t treat him like a walking American flag.”

To understand Superman, Meltzer says, you have to know why Superman was created in the first place — because a young Jerry Siegel’s father was shot and killed in 1932 (a fact first uncovered by Gerard Jones in “Men of Tomorrow: Geeks, Gangsters and the Birth of the Comic Book”).

“Superman was created not because America is the greatest country on earth, not because Moses came to save us from Krypton, but because a little boy lost his father,” Meltzer said. “In his first appearances, he couldn’t fly. He didn’t have X-ray vision. He was only bulletproof. So Superman’s not a character built out of strength, but out of loss.”

“When you hear that, it puts on a whole new spin on Superman and his origins,” Waid said. “The understanding was that Batman was born out of traged and Superman out of hope and aspiration, and it turns out that it’s about not wanting to lose your loved ones. That’s critical, and it means that we can connect with him. He’s not an untouchable character. Bad things still happen to him. His father passes away, and his powers can’t save him.”

“It is so much deeper than, ‘He’s an alien with superpowers,’” Meltzer said. “I never wanted to write a Superman movie before, but I do now. I understand what Superman is now.”

I love Morrison's take on Superman Returns being Ang Lee's Hulk :lol

All Star Superman is the best Supes comic in years...but a movie would be horrid.

I think Meltzer gets it. Time for a reboot.
 
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I didn't hate Superman Returns, but I wouldn't mind a reboot. If that's the case, I don't see Singer coming back. Hmm, I wonder what Christopher Nolan/David S. Goyer could do with Superman?
 
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Singer has to go. He ruined the franchise. Only thing left is a re-boot. Atleast Smallville is still going.
 
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Am I the only person who enjoyed Superman Returns?

I mean it's no Superman I or II, but it beats III and IV right?
 
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