Marvel Studios - She Hulk

[loki2371]

Here's my ranking...

1. WandaVision
2 Falcon & Winter Solder

The End ......

WV was ok, it had good and bad, but I think more good. It was a little long winded and drawn out. Too many episodes. Falc & WS was just upright bad. Terrible. SO bad, I can't even bring myself to watch anymore of these nonsense D+ MCU shows...

From the trailers and what I've read, they desecrated Loki, changed Hawkeye too much from previous movies and made him a 2nd string to girl Hawkeye, Moon Knight was changed way too much from the actual comic character, Ms. Marvel just isn't for me (looked like a Disney Channel show for girls). She-Hulk I had hopes for until it was made to be a straight up comedy for wine moms. And WhatIf I had every intention of eventually watching until I read it was all part of the MCU's Multiverse instead of just an episodic series of cool shows like the comic books were.

And going forward, all the upcoming shows look just as bad...

 

[ArtDamage]

changed Hawkeye too much from previous movies and made him a 2nd string to girl Hawkeye

And going forward, all the upcoming shows look just as bad...

Of the ones you listed I would give Hawkeye a shot. It's a fairly "by the numbers" kind of show, but I didn't feel the messed with Clint too much. Also, though Kate Bishop is central to the plot I wouldn't say she overshadows Clint. She is talented, but regularly gets in over her head and has to have Clint bail her out. Their relationship was actually pretty fun and Kate definitely has her charm.


As far new shows, I was expecting Secret Invasion to be lame, but the trailer actually looks pretty good. If they keep with the spy tone it's giving off I'm definitely in.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

. . . Are there any Marvel entries that you in equal part DID NOT enjoy? . . .

. . . As for the other Marvel-Disney TV shows - this is easily my fave. I was disappointed to varying degrees with all the others . . . some awful, some "meh", some OK-ish . . .

Now several of you have already done so . . . and I'm less tired . . .

1) She-Hulk - EASILY the best of the bunch. Love the humour and the irreverent attitude.​

2) Moon Knight - Weird & different. Final episode was a bit of a let-down - but still OK. Oscar Isaac showing his acting chops in a very impressive way.​

3) Hawkeye - I liked this (except for the "tiny girl throwing round thugs" bit & the sillyness of the last episode). Jeremy Renner & Hailee Steinfeld nailed it.​

4) Ms. Marvel - Loved the 1st episode, very inventive. The rest were somewhat spoiled because we had a VERY charismatic leading actress being held​

back by a terrible script and AWFUL acting from those playing the Djinns.​

5) Loki - Curiously entertaining (in a "what the heck is going on" way) at the start - then REALLY went downhill fast. Completely destroyed the lead​

character. I won't bother with the 2nd season.​

6) Wandavision - Couldn't get to the end (for a variety of reasons

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The others (Captain Falcon / What If / the Groot thingy) I have no interest in and so will NEVER watch.

Each to their own


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[Dark_Knight_89]

Damn. I can't believe that I remember zero of all these cameos. Joan Rivers? LOL I know Prince did the music for Batman, but didn't know he had a cameo.


Like others, I kinda loved Madisynn. The standout new character from this show. How great was it when she appears from the demon dimension and just shrugs off all the insanity that she experienced.


Though I think the episodes are hit-and-miss, I agree with you about this comparison to Moon Knight. I like She-Hulk much more. I could be wrong, but I suspect people, including critics, wanted to love Moon Knight that they look at it with rose tinted glasses. The casting is excellent, and the ideas and mood seem interesting and different, but the final product just wasn't very compelling to me.


So good.


Hmm. . .I would probably rank them this way, though all have their flaws:

1. Hawkeye
2. Wandavision (minus the fight in the last episode)
3. Loki
4. She Hulk
5. What If?
6. Moon Knight
7. Falcon and Winter Soldier
8. Ms. Marvel

Groot is fun but not a conventional show.


One of the greatest things about Late Night with Conan were his interviews with Rudd.

And when Paul Rudd goes on The Tonight Show and recreates 80s music videos with Jimmy Fallon.

 

[davejames]

I really enjoyed this episode and think the show overall has been a fun watch. Although ironically I do think it's at its best when it just focuses on Maslany in human form being her weird, quirky self. She-Hulk herself I just don't find nearly as interesting.

As for the Disney series so far, I'd rank Wandavision, Hawkeye and Loki at the top, Moon Knight and She-Hulk somewhere in the middle, and Falcon, What If, and Ms Marvel at the bottom.

 

[ironwez20]

I think it did build up to something though:

1. It setup Multiverse of Madness
2. It setup The Marvels.
3. It may have setup Secret Invasion (if Monica is there too).

I think the main (fair) criticism of this series was that it hinted on bigger things (Mephisto!!! MULTIVERSE!!!) than it actually was going to show. Those were brought by fan theories though so IMO it's not the show's fault.

Those are not off the table yet as well since we do know now that the Multiverse does exist. Mephisto can still come out in the MCU too.

It set up multiverse poorly. That quicksilver thing was a huge middle finger to the audience. I don’t understand what they were trying to do there.

 

[a-dev]

It set up multiverse poorly. That quicksilver thing was a huge middle finger to the audience. I don’t understand what they were trying to do there.

It was literally a d ! ck move.

Otherwise I thought WandaVision was alright. As far as all these shows only Hawkeye was better IMO.

I had the highest of hopes for TFaTWS and other than Wyatt Russell it was a snoozefest. Terrible villains (unless you count Walker) and Falcon's lecture at the end was embarrassing.

 

[Garlador]

I do like that everyone’s rankings are different. For me:
1. Loki - music, themes, acting, settings… they all work for me.
2. Moon Knight - the Oscar Isaac show. Want more.
3. Hawkeye - Just fun in a very swashbuckling kind of way.
4. Ms. Marvel - great casting, good first and last episode. Weird middle.
5. FATWS - I love the main cast, but the main villains really deflated the stakes.
6. WandaVision - fun experiments, even if the last episode felt really rushed and edited to hell.

I’ll reserve judgment on She-Hulk after it ends, but loving it so far. I’d rank it at “Hawkeye” levels currently.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

I do like that everyone’s rankings are different . . .

Let's be fair though - we agreed on positions 2,3,4 & 6


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[choombaz]

I rank mine in order of what episode the show lost me:

1. Ms Marvel - never happened. The show is almost perfect, not a bad episode and only has a few flawed moments. Loved the depth of character, the history lesson that’s never shoved in the face, the action, the comedy.
2. Hawkeye - again comes really close to perfect but railed against the reinterpretation of Kingpin.
3. Loki - came close but that last episode just lost me.
4. Wandavision - lost me in the last couple of episodes when it became pedestrian MCU.
5. Moon Knight - I wanted to love this and there were some aspects such as Steven that I loved, the whole mental health aspect and Ethan Hawke but a lot of the rhino mumbo jumbo and lack of action left me wanting a lot more.
6. Falcon and Winter Soldier - the less said the better.

 

[davejames]

I guess I'm one of the few who had no problem at all with the finales of Wandavision, Loki or Moon Knight. And I was surprised afterward to find that so many did. But then I didn't spend a lot of time speculating or theorizing about what might happen or what amazing cameos we might expect, so didn't have to worry about any crushed expectations.

 

[Chakor]

For me:

WandaVision - Never had any interest from day one, it was standard MCU fare at best.

Falcon and Winter Soldier - I will be in the minority here, but I thought the middle point with Zemo and Walker was great. Sucks that it had to end on such a low note.

Loki - Man-hating garbage. Loki was reduced to an incompetent pansy. I just couldn't care less about the multiverse, especially when this show pooped all over the MCU legacy. Infinity Stone paperweights and no free will? GTFO.

What If - The episodes ranged from decent overall (Sinister Strange and Ultron Won) to pure cringe (T'Challa Star-Lord and party Thor).

Hawkeye - Perfectly sincere and harmless fun, but would probably never watch again.

Moon Knight - The best thus far IMO. I loved the whole dissociative identity exploration and how independent it was from the rest of the MCU. And no mention or involvement of the multiverse is a huge bonus.

Ms. Marvel - Didn't even bother, I'm just not the target audience.

She-Hulk - Not my thing so far, can't get into the humor. But since it hasn't finished airing, I'll reserve judgement.

 

[karamazov80]

And when Paul Rudd goes on The Tonight Show and recreates 80s music videos with Jimmy Fallon.

I saw they also did a Styx video. Both are hilarious,

 

[ArtDamage]

Now several of you have already done so . . . and I'm less tired . . .
Each to their own


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Agreed and well thought out list.

Even though your she hulk reviews still make me feel you should be studied by science.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

Agreed and well thought out list.

Even though your she hulk reviews still make me feel you should be studied by science.

That's already happened . . . I was tested after being dropped on my head as a baby several times.

Mum said she did it more than once to be sure (the testing - not the dropping . . . well - it was one of them anyways).

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[Khev]

Man after hitting the Madisynn episode out of the park this new one was just bad all around. It wasn't funny and the CGI was terrible!

I just read that this show was finished long before Ms. Marvel but had to be massively delayed due to reshoots. I wonder if part of the delay was cherry picking certain episodes to upgrade the CGI on? Otherwise I can't imagine why there'd be such a massive drop in quality from last week to this one.

 

[Garlador]

Man after hitting the Madisynn episode out of the park this new one was just bad all around. It wasn't funny and the CGI was terrible!

I just read that this show was finished long before Ms. Marvel but had to be massively delayed due to reshoots. I wonder if part of the delay was cherry picking certain episodes to upgrade the CGI on? Otherwise I can't imagine why there'd be such a massive drop in quality from last week to this one.

Actually, yeah. They decided late into production to reorder the episodes, putting her origin into episode 1, and that kinda mucked up the CGI pipeline. Some episodes and scenes are going to just outright look better than others because they had to reprioritize which episodes will air first and which scenes will be most prominent close-up shots.

 

[davejames]

I think the CGI works well enough in this show and does what it needs to do, particularly when it comes to conveying her personality or very subtle expressions. Yeah sometimes she can look a bit too animated or videogamey, but Hulk never looked 100% realistic in the movies either and those had far bigger budgets to work with.

 

[JAWS]

I did not enjoy this episode at all.

Somebody see what’s wrong with Heavy Metal Spike

I’m just kidding Spike. Seriously, if you like the humor in this then check out this film

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

I did not enjoy this episode at all.

Somebody see what’s wrong with Heavy Metal Spike

I’m just kidding Spike. Seriously, if you like the humor in this then check out this film

Yeah right - that ranks up there with "pull my finger"

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