MARVEL'S: LOKI

[jye4ever]

I thought they used timelines and multiverse interchangeably. The Ancient One said that time travel creates a new branched reality and HWR pruned the variant timelines so that his multiverse variants didn't exist.

Pretty much this yes.

Very interchangeable which creates even more confusion for Mini-Gar aka chriss lol

 

[chrisstbh]

I thought they used timelines and multiverse interchangeably. The Ancient One said that time travel creates a new branched reality and HWR pruned the variant timelines so that his multiverse variants didn't exist.

But there are completely different universes too, with their own timelines? So surely there’d be other Kangs in those?

Like the Illuminati universe isn’t a timeline branch from the main MCU universe. Its a different universe entirely.

So they may use them interchangeably but that’s not how it works within what they’ve established thusfar. Pick one .

 

[e30ernest]

But they talk about the multiverse in Loki... but also make out like Timelines are a completely different thing... so they make it confusing.

So with the Kangs it's a timeline war and not a multiversal war..?

The way I understand it, you have a multiverse, made up of different universes like the ones Dr. Strange traveled to in Multiverse of Madness or the ones shown in What If.

Inside each universe, you have a timeline. If you alter that timeline, then you create a branch timeline (which this Loki was from a branch created by the Avengers in Endgame). If the timeline branches (Nexus event) then it creates its own universe with its own timeline (this avoids the grandfather paradox).

To make it more complex, you also have the various realms, which are basically places in those universes. Stuff like the mirror dimension, quantum realm (which according to Loki is adjacent to that respective universe) fall into this bucket.

 

[chrisstbh]

The way I understand it, you have a multiverse, made up of different universes like the ones Dr. Strange traveled to in Multiverse of Madness or the ones shown in What If.

Inside each universe, you have a timeline. If you alter that timeline, then you create a branch timeline (which this Loki was from a branch created by the Avengers in Endgame). If the timeline branches (Nexus event) then it creates its own universe with its own timeline (this avoids the grandfather paradox).

To make it more complex, you also have the various realms, which are basically places in those universes. Stuff like the mirror dimension, quantum realm (which according to Loki is adjacent to that respective universe) fall into this bucket.

Kevin Feige:

 

[jaztermareal]

Every timeline is a separate universe and thus part of a multiverse. Think of the multiverse as the tree of life on earth. Each separate timeline is a separate species. Every new timeline that is created (for example when time travelling to the past and changing something) is a related species forming.

I think the writers of the MCU don't actually understand what universe, multiverse and timeline mean so they often make errors.

Just as how certain species share a close common ancestor and so are very similar, branching timelines create similar neighboring universes. I think the TVA is local to the 616 universe and its branches, so to them that is the whole multiverse but in reality they are part of just a tiny part of the multiverse.

Think of the timelines (universes) in Loki as being the feline part of this "animal kingdom evolutionary tree" so every timeline is a different species of cat, with the prime MCU timeline being a Lion. Each variant timeline of this universe is a variant of 616 because it is local to that area of the multiverse.

Just as a tabby cat cannot give birth to a crocodile, the 616 Universe can't just spontaneously spawn a reality where Iron Man fights Darth Vader, or everyone is sofa shaped and sit on people shaped sofas. You would need to travel to another branch entirely like Dr Strange did briefly in his movie.

As each branching timeline continues to evolve, eventually it will become its own primary branch with other timelines branching from it.

I should add: if universes are infinite, then each universe has infinite possibilities and so is a multiverse all on its own so you technically have all Marvel movies taking place in the same universe just different locations. If universes are finite then a multiverse is required for the different timelines

 

[jye4ever]

Every timeline is a separate universe and thus part of a multiverse. Think of the multiverse as the tree of life on earth. Each separate timeline is a separate species. Every new timeline that is created (for example when time travelling to the past and changing something) is a related species forming.

I think the writers of the MCU don't actually understand what universe, multiverse and timeline mean so they often make errors.

Just as how certain species share a close common ancestor and so are very similar, branching timelines create similar neighboring universes. I think the TVA is local to the 616 universe and its branches, so to them that is the whole multiverse but in reality they are part of just a tiny part of the multiverse.

Think of the timelines (universes) in Loki as being the feline part of this "animal kingdom evolutionary tree" so every timeline is a different species of cat, with the prime MCU timeline being a Lion. Each variant timeline of this universe is a variant of 616 because it is local to that area of the multiverse.

Just as a tabby cat cannot give birth to a crocodile, the 616 Universe can't just spontaneously spawn a reality where Iron Man fights Darth Vader, or everyone is sofa shaped and sit on people shaped sofas. You would need to travel to another branch entirely like Dr Strange did briefly in his movie.

As each branching timeline continues to evolve, eventually it will become its own primary branch with other timelines branching from it.

I should add: if universes are infinite, then each universe has infinite possibilities and so is a multiverse all on its own so you technically have all Marvel movies taking place in the same universe just different locations. If universes are finite then a multiverse is required for the different timelines

Hmm interesting….

Spoiler

Muuuuust re…sis...t…turning inn…too…

Multiverse hating Jye-Gar

 

[Dave_W]

So if different timelines and different universes are all a part of the multiverse, that explains why some 'multiverse' characters are played by different actors and others aren't because they are from the same branch of the multiverse.

 

[jye4ever]

So if different timelines and different universes are all a part of the multiverse, that explains why some 'multiverse' characters are played by different actors and others aren't because they are from the same branch of the multiverse.

No one is ever really dead.

Perfect money making machine for a Hollywood wall street run studio.

Ask Marvel how it’s going.

 

[chrisstbh]

No one is ever really dead.

Perfect money making machine for a Hollywood wall street run studio.

Ask Marvel how it’s going.

 

[Johnny Utah]

New posters.

 

[darth dennis]

While I've generally found the multi-verse thing annoying, Season 2 of Loki has been one of my favorite post-Endgame Marvel efforts. I found the acting to be superb and the storyline pretty entertaining. Hiddleston is just great as Loki and how can you not like Owen Wilson? With that said, get me back to the sacred timeline!

 

[Sassafras]

While I've generally found the multi-verse thing annoying, Season 2 of Loki has been one of my favorite post-Endgame Marvel efforts. I found the acting to be superb and the storyline pretty entertaining. Hiddleston is just great as Loki and how can you not like Owen Wilson? With that said, get me back to the sacred timeline!

I still think it's funny that Infinity Stones are (sometimes) used as paperweights after all the fuss.

And I just can't figure out why Loki doesn't have hero-boots but has more the Miami Vice look e.g. loafers or whatever he's wearing. Like, is he in a sort of Covid lockdown so might as well be comfortable? (my personal lockdown footwear was these rubber Pali sandals so I get maybe the costumer wanted to ditch the boots, so Hot Toys needs to get to work hiding the ankle joints).

 

[Neal136]

And I just can't figure out why Loki doesn't have hero-boots but has more the Miami Vice look e.g. loafers or whatever he's wearing.

If you're going to spend the rest of eternity managing all of the timelines, you might as well do it in comfortable, relaxing footwear.

 

[chrisstbh]

Sylvie was absolutely the worst part of this show.

"Uhhh yeah I know reality is literally unravelling around us but... TVA bad... You should just let everyone everywhere die because... free will... Even though I'm also making a choice for everyone else without consulting them..."

 

[choombaz]

Sylvie was absolutely the worst part of this show.

"Uhhh yeah I know reality is literally unravelling around us but... TVA bad... You should just let everyone everywhere die because... free will... Even though I'm also making a choice for everyone else without consulting them..."

Agree. My impression is that she was working multiple projects at the same time so they significantly reduced her role. There were a couple of good scenes but yeah compared to season 1 this was one of the few fails in season 2.

 

[chrisstbh]

Agree. My impression is that she was working multiple projects at the same time so they significantly reduced her role. There were a couple of good scenes but yeah compared to season 1 this was one of the few fails in season 2.

And she threw a fit cause they were going to eat pie, whilst the scientists worked, like get a grip for real.

 

[Sassafras]

Agree. My impression is that she was working multiple projects at the same time so they significantly reduced her role. There were a couple of good scenes but yeah compared to season 1 this was one of the few fails in season 2.

I like Sylvie and will pick the fig up hopefully but it's more because of S1 - S2 to me she felt sidelined as a character, or just one of the team, anyway. Loki and Mobius owned it. I could see in some future project she's the one who pays Loki a visit (probably because all of existence is going to end, again because, she's a god, and actually could do that. Probably.)

I like to think I'd see Loki again as a cameo at least, like Iron Man showing up as holograms or whatever. Are they doing any more Dr. Strange? Loki in theory could re-write Wanda's story.

Clearly I'd rather see more Loki & co. than any more of, say, the Eternals.

 

[Garlador]

Sylvie was absolutely the worst part of this show.

"Uhhh yeah I know reality is literally unravelling around us but... TVA bad... You should just let everyone everywhere die because... free will... Even though I'm also making a choice for everyone else without consulting them..."

I give Sylvie a bit more credit. The TVA absolutely ruined her life, hunted her down like a dog for centuries, forcing her to hide and live in isolation amongst global tragedies feeding off rats and bugs, and the moment she gave Loki the benefit of the doubt that he was helping turn things around, she witnessed the TVA nuking billions of lives immediately after. I fully understand her hesitation.

She didn’t believe her world was truly in danger until it caught up to her, and then to her credit she immediately sought them out to find a solution.

And, ultimately, her opinion on the answer and letting things end was half-correct, and as flawed as season 1 Mobius’s solution of pruning to protect what they could.

Loki rejects both Mobius AND Sylvie’s extremes and sacrifices himself to create a third option.

 

[Dave_W]

Maybe he can go through the timeline and make Love and Thunder a good film.

 

[Garlador]

Maybe he can go through the timeline and make Love and Thunder a good film.

I just watched the Madame Web trailer. Loki’s already having some regrets keeping some timelines alive.