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What is said can't contradict what's on the page. The Wakandans think they're hot **** because their whole nation is filled with all the technological marvels that NYC for example doesn't have. But that's more of a narrative problem, since NYC has to be "the world outside of your window" and Wakanda has to be some mystical futuristic country. Regardless of that, the best of Wakanda doesn't hold a candle against the best of the US. Even their precious "cure for cancer" which they're not sharing doesn't mean much because Norman Osborn discovered it himself (then turned it into a weapon 'cause he's a crazy SOB).

As for the Stark/BP thing, Tony is leagues above him, because he has the feats to support it. It's on page that he's "fractionally less smarter than Reed", whereas BP is somewhere on the 8th-9th spot, considering Cho is canonically the 7th smartest person, which was stated before Pym came back, which bumped him to 8, meaning that Panther should realistically be 9th.

Either way, power scalling aside, BP just doesn't have enough good showings. Not in the tech department, not in the physics department, not in the chess department. Not even in the bussiness department. Tony turned his arms company into a global juggernaut, and has also done it 2 other times, beginning from scratch as well. The only area where BP outclasses him are the Martial Arts.



The one time in the Priest run where he used Kleenex on a stealth suit (which was an Alt-IM) and that time during CW where Panther was on a diplomatic mission and caused a ruckus during his visit. Tony was holding back, and T'Challa came prepared. Then there's that time he beat the Avengers in his early appearances, but that's pretty much it.

But all those fights happened in BP books, which were objectively biased. Tony's suits are so advanced that it shouldn't even be a contest. Picosecond reaction time, full-blown invisibillity, grid connection, etc, etc. And that's only the basic stuff. If we move on to more "unique" suits, it gets even crazier. Not to mention the recent shape changing armor.

Realistically Tony could just nuke Wakanda and be done with it. And I'm not even joking. The man has developed a "Clean Nuke". He even rebuilt Asgard post Siege. And that's justthe tip of the iceberg.



The "control of the dead" thing was a one-time power that was a result of the Panther God literally granting him the abillity (which took about 4 years to have a pay off). It's nothing he worked for. It's a magic amp by Hickman. As for Shuri, she came back all by herself after going on a spiritual journey. T'Challa's machine just kept her in stasis.



Sure, it doesn't mean he's smarter though. Tony has beaten Reed in chess while playing in 6 boards at the same time. The rest can be summed up in "prep", and there are countless of them. He also has tons of "thinking on his feet" feats, like the Time-Travel one, or how he kept evading Osborn & HAMMER while losing his intelligence. Or when he went undercover to search for the Sons of Yinsen. He's not just an engineer.

And even as afar as H2H, Tony has displayed skills. He's taken on Skrulls in nothing but his birthday suit, he's gone H2H with Mandarin, and he's received training from Cap, Widow & Shang-Chi. He's not as good as T'Challa, but he's no slouch.



T'Challa's good, but he's not athreat for the Top 5 guys. Doom is the only guy who's invented a Time-Machine, and the only people who can use it are him, Reed and Tony (back in the Camelot arc he and Doom build a new time-machine using parts of their armors). Tony has such a mastery of tech that he created a self-replicating city. Literally a city that kept growing and developing houses, appliances, etc, etc all by its own. Not to mention all of his suits.

Wakandan tech is average by comic-book standards. Hologram-Beads, a suit that absorves kinetic energy, flying cars. Nothing out of the ordinary.

TL;DR: T'Challa is one of the most dangerous humans in comics, but Tony has a recorded history of feats, and gradually grows more powerful. You know how Flash's whole thing is "Speed Force"? That's Iron Man and tech. Doom & Reed may be able to open portals to Hell and join Multi-Dimensional Councils, but Tony will nuke you before you can utter a word.

Im going to concede here because your knowledge of the other characters historically is way beyond mine. I always viewed Panther as a blend of Cap and IM. Able to hold his own with both of them. Able to override Stark's systems or encryptions and battling Cap move for move. He even defeated mephisto, which is a big deal. T'challa has gotten the better of Namor, whom is a great strategist as well. But I see where you're coming from. The way I always looked at it was: the comics say Panther is this smart or this fast or this wealthy--but he didn't get the stories to display it because he's always been, what, tier 3 at best? I've always enjoyed his part as a complimentary character more than his standalone (except the first two volumes of Priest's run--which then even declined for me) because I don't tho k he gets the stories he deserves.

I liked how he was portrayed in what I consider to be the best comic book cartoon ever in Earth's Mightiest Heroes. I thought that was perfect black Panther--clearly one of the top members of the Avengers. Dangerous, cunning, advanced tech, great warrior, and self-sacrificing. And so far I live him in the MCU way more than Hawkeye, Widow, Quicksilver, SW, etc. In fact I think he's up there with Cap and Iron Man as far as being best portrayed.

But I will always, always believe he's smarter and more powerful than Batman.

Now I want to read more Iron Man.



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Im going to concede here because your knowledge of the other characters historically is way beyond mine. I always viewed Panther as a blend of Cap and IM. Able to hold his own with both of them. Able to override Stark's systems or encryptions and battling Cap move for move. He even defeated mephisto, which is a big deal.

Well yeah, that's what he was supposed to be. A Good-Guy version of Doom crossed over with the strategist/champion of his people angle of Cap, and the tech-wizard aspect of Iron Man. But between "he's supposed to be that", he can't really hang with Iron Man. All of his tech and feats, even if you go to Respect Threads, are nothing special. An average EMP, a flying bike, such things. Nothing to write home about. That and general "here he is doing science **** with other science-guys". He has better combat showings tbh (See Wakanda & Die & the Karnak fight).

His best science feat includes him boasting about Shadow Physics, and calling it a mix between Alchemy and Quantum Physics... So basic Marvel science as usual. His fights with Iron Man included that thing with Kleenex, and another time he stopped Tony's heart when he was wearing his Post-Heroes Reborn armor. Plus that CW fight. And all of them happened in his own book, so... He also has some PIS stuff like being faster than Spider-Man, which... is bullcrap of the highest degree.

The Mephisto thing was mostly "trickery". Mephisto was working with Achebe, and T'Challa managed to stall him for a bit. And that was done with tons of prep by Wakandan scientists, not just him. Good showing, but nothing extraordinary, especially when you have Doom & Strange going up against Mephisto in his realm, with no prep and surviving.


T'challa has gotten the better of Namor, whom is a great strategist as well. But I see where you're coming from. The way I always looked at it was: the comics say Panther is this smart or this fast or this wealthy--but he didn't get the stories to display it because he's always been, what, tier 3 at best? I've always enjoyed his part as a complimentary character more than his standalone (except the first two volumes of Priest's run--which then even declined for me) because I don't tho k he gets the stories he deserves.

Namor ain't really the best strategist. He has better strength feats, but the Wakanda/Atlantis Wars were always off-panel "tell don't show" types, so I don't put much stock in them. Atlantis gets destroyed every other week if we're being honest.

Panther's been a mainstay Avengers and has had many volumes. It's not really an excuse for his lack of feats. Doom is a villain who appears once in a while and has infinitely better ones.

To be quite honest, most of T'Challa's "feats" are PIS and hype. PIS instances include that time he defeated Black Dwarf off-panel, and hype are stuff like Shadow Physics. He's a "look how bad-*** I am" type of character thatrarely does anything extraordinary. Back in the day, before I actually read his stuff I used to think he was this super-duper dangerous guy, but the more I read, the more I found out that it was mostly fanboys trying to build him up.

He's not a bad character, far from it, but he's written in such a way that it's very Gary Stu-ish. He never makes mistakes, he never is in the wrong, he's never portayed as the "bad guy" even though he can be an *******, and he has little to no regular feats that build up on another another, a couple of WTF ones. It's like having Doom never be wrong, never be defeated, never be the *******, etc, etc.

I mean, compare him with Tony, who like I said has infinitely better feats. All of his have to do with the one area he's great at, his tech. And all of them came one after the other and build up on them. But between those times, he's been the villain, he's been an alcoholic, he's lost his company, etc, etc. He's had low-shows as a contrast to his high end feats, when the Panther has virtually none. And that makes him kind of a hard figure to like, unless you identify with him.

I liked how he was portrayed in what I consider to be the best comic book cartoon ever in Earth's Mightiest Heroes. I thought that was perfect black Panther--clearly one of the top members of the Avengers. Dangerous, cunning, advanced tech, great warrior, and self-sacrificing. And so far I live him in the MCU way more than Hawkeye, Widow, Quicksilver, SW, etc. In fact I think he's up there with Cap and Iron Man as far as being best portrayed.

Yeah, EMH was darn great.

But I will always, always believe he's smarter and more powerful than Batman.

Back in the BatGod days I'd have agreed just out of spite, but nowadays... Not really. Batman has some pretty crazy feats, and they're all widespread. From remaking a Lazarus Pit, to creating Brother Eye and overloading Cyborg, Bruce has the upper hand. Not to mention creating the Watchtower defense system, the backdoors and designing the whole thing.

Now I want to read more Iron Man.

The older stories are dated, but I like them due to Tony's personality. Really, everything from his first solo up until 2012 is worth reading.
 
After reading your post Darth I saw a YouTube video of Ironman vs Optimus Prime and Optimus won. I thought that was such BS. Tony is was smarter than Optimus and waaay more prepared than a robot with a sword and jet pack.
 
After reading your post Darth I saw a YouTube video of Ironman vs Optimus Prime and Optimus won. I thought that was such BS. Tony is was smarter than Optimus and waaay more prepared than a robot with a sword and jet pack.

Well, I'm not that well-versed in TF, but after some digging, Optimus is a bit OP depending on the version.
 
Why do young actors pull this crap? :lol :lol


Same thing happened with fast and furious and one of their younger actors ( and it happened in expendables lol)
 
https://collider.com/black-panther-images/#chadwick-boseman

Lots of new images from the movie in the SDCC EW edition.

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I can't stand the eyes on his new helmet. Looks like TASM's sunglass lense eyes.
 
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