Masters of the Universe Classics

[Frank]

if you wanna collect dolls yea sideshow not to mention how mattel goes up $5 and people think its too much u think they would pay the price for a sideshow figure? $100 plus or $60 idk. and fans do complain alot at times hell your complaining right now that matty this and that and i am too, just that my complain is toward you , (im a fan and complain xD) but yea matty's doing a great job reguardless

Like I said before, if it's inane trolling Scott could just ignore it. What he managed to do there was group the entire MOTUC fanbase as a bunch of negative Nancys. If he wants to play that game he will not win it.

1/6 scale figures are waaay above the smaller solid plastic lines for a couple of reasons. First, fidelity to real world subjects/objects. Secondly, mixed media clothing and accessories. Third, over all presentation. MOTUC is great for what it is, but they couldn't hold a candle next to an HT Jack Sparrow or SS Zartan, BC Dr. Who.. etc. Next to those pieces, MOTUC really do look like toys. It's time he start to admit in the world of adult collectibles, MOTUC isn't on the high end... yet.

I love MOTU, but as long as Mattel owns the property it will never be allowed to grow beyond its ever-shrinking nostalgic value.

For the record, I'm all for raising the price to ensure high craftmanship and service. Hot Toys and Sideshow have had insane increases but to me its still worth it in some cases. An extra $5 is nothing to me and if I knew that TG was capable of guaranteeing top of the line CS and QC, I'd pay an extra $10 on top of that. But as of right now I wouldn't trust any promises coming out of his camp.

By Scott's own admission, Mattel just ain't set up for this kind of market. Why he thinks each one of these should be considered collector's items aimed at adults even when the everything else outside of the sculpting is subject to wildly inconsistent quality is an unexplained mystery. The day he realizes that only way you can reduce negativity is by remaining optimistic, offering solutions and being professional is the day things will turn around for him. We already know 2014 is the most we can hope for at this point and yet he keeps getting caught up in emotionally charged forum exchanges. He above all people should know better than to let the discussion get so negative after the rollercoaster that was the 2013 sub drive!

This is completely on him and he needs to take a long vacation before he does anymore damage.

 

[lerath666]

Because they are collectors items. They're given more detail, more paint,etc than off the shelf toys. They cost more, and they are limited in number. Hell, they might even be produced in smaller number than most hot toys figures. Atleast the iron man and batman ones.

But they are low end. Collectables. Bottom tier. I'd love to know what the production cost per figure is.

 

[lerath666]

Followup. Show me another action figure line that is collector targeted, in this price range or lower, with sculpts as detailed, as as nice paintwork and articulation. Name one.

 

[p!tu]

Followup. Show me another action figure line that is collector targeted, in this price range or lower, with sculpts as detailed, as as nice paintwork and articulation. Name one.

 

[teemu]

I want my classics TMNT Casey Jones!

 

[JonWes]

The TMNT figures are nice, but are we REALLY going to compare those with MOTUC? REALLY?

Also, those are a retail line. So price comparisons aren't really fair.

 

[Kuzeh]

Those are so awesome!!

The TMNT figures are nice, but are we REALLY going to compare those with MOTUC? REALLY?

Also, those are a retail line. So price comparisons aren't really fair.

I think TG is frustrated by the attitude of some fans who don't see the big picture and just see a black dot on their Vykron's crotch and call it a failure and want him to be fired...
I mean... really??
Some "fanatics" are pushing it TBH... The issues the line has are standard for a toy-line...

These "fans" don't realize that if Scott goes, MOTUC goes down with him... I honestly prefer to have someone like TG managing the line than another person who is completely out-of-touch with the MOTU-verse...
Look at the DC Comics for example...

In any case, I think 2013 will be MOTUC's last, and if it survives to 2014 it will be with 6 figures and a couple of Con exclusives...

 

[teemu]

The TMNT figures are nice, but are we REALLY going to compare those with MOTUC? REALLY?

Also, those are a retail line. So price comparisons aren't really fair.

there is no comparison- MOTUC Kills TMNT

Those are so awesome!!





I think TG is frustrated by the attitude of some fans who don't see the big picture and just see a black dot on their Vykron's crotch and call it a failure and want him to be fired...
I mean... really??
Some "fanatics" are pushing it TBH... The issues the line has are standard for a toy-line...

These "fans" don't realize that if Scott goes, MOTUC goes down with him... I honestly prefer to have someone like TG managing the line than another person who is completely out-of-touch with the MOTU-verse...
Look at the DC Comics for example...

In any case, I think 2013 will be MOTUC's last, and if it survives to 2014 it will be with 6 figures and a couple of Con exclusives...

While there ARE issues,I do agree the fans are taking it too far,but I think people just want their money's worth....I like Toyguru even though he doublespeak's and seems to flip flop saying one thing and doing another,along with empty promises.(that's mostly my problem with him)

I don't think we'll see a 2014 Sub...I think we'll see maybe 6 figures (if at all) or see Con exclusives only (which will be easy part re-use characters)

of course no '14 sub means no Mantenna

 

[Zodach]

As good as the TMNT Classics figures are, that line won't have nearly the depth that MOTUC has. I'm not holding my breath for Playmates to come out with a second wave of figures that aren't Turtles variants. Hopefully they prove me wrong. Retail lines are great for lower prices, but they typically don't have long runs. Bandai has already disappointed me with the classic Thundercats toys.

 

[Eamon]

Those Ninja Turtles had bad eye paint jobs and some came without weapons.

I very much agree with everything lerath666 said.

Pretty embarrasing being a toy collector some times reading some comments.

Between here and other sites I am just not interested in being part of a community that expects so much for some bizarre entitlement reasons.

MOTUC are the best on the market and any other opinion is just wrong.

I was just saying to Emiliano "You know I love my Hot Toys, they are my pride and joy. But I would give them all up in a heart beat for more MOTU.

My MOTUC collection is all the action figure a human could ever want as a far as I am concerned!!!"

 

[teemu]

No doubt! but painting over black plastic is a bad move and it really cheapens the figures....especially painting places where the articulation is,the hands that hold weapons, which you get lots of wear and tear and rub off..

Besides,we PAY money for these! its not like Mattel is a charity and is giving us these figures for Free...I am happy we are getting these Great figures,but its not like Mattel is doing me a favor

bottom line,if this line wasn't making money,there wouldn't be MOTU Classics at all...so Mattel's threats of shutting down the line because of "whiney" fans really bores me

 

[redleo]

Like I said before, if it's inane trolling Scott could just ignore it. What he managed to do there was group the entire MOTUC fanbase as a bunch of negative Nancys. If he wants to play that game he will not win it.

1/6 scale figures are waaay above the smaller solid plastic lines for a couple of reasons. First, fidelity to real world subjects/objects. Secondly, mixed media clothing and accessories. Third, over all presentation. MOTUC is great for what it is, but they couldn't hold a candle next to an HT Jack Sparrow or SS Zartan, BC Dr. Who.. etc. Next to those pieces, MOTUC really do look like toys. It's time he start to admit in the world of adult collectibles, MOTUC isn't on the high end... yet.

I love MOTU, but as long as Mattel owns the property it will never be allowed to grow beyond its ever-shrinking nostalgic value.

For the record, I'm all for raising the price to ensure high craftmanship and service. Hot Toys and Sideshow have had insane increases but to me its still worth it in some cases. An extra $5 is nothing to me and if I knew that TG was capable of guaranteeing top of the line CS and QC, I'd pay an extra $10 on top of that. But as of right now I wouldn't trust any promises coming out of his camp.

By Scott's own admission, Mattel just ain't set up for this kind of market. Why he thinks each one of these should be considered collector's items aimed at adults even when the everything else outside of the sculpting is subject to wildly inconsistent quality is an unexplained mystery. The day he realizes that only way you can reduce negativity is by remaining optimistic, offering solutions and being professional is the day things will turn around for him. We already know 2014 is the most we can hope for at this point and yet he keeps getting caught up in emotionally charged forum exchanges. He above all people should know better than to let the discussion get so negative after the rollercoaster that was the 2013 sub drive!

This is completely on him and he needs to take a long vacation before he does anymore damage.

your one of those "nancy's" too but yea i mean really making all the collectibles based off sideshow style and what not thats like comparing apples and oranges their not the same.

the 1/6 bore me and take up alot of space if all future of collectibles some how turn out to be 1/6 scale id stop collecting them for the size and the doll-like clothes (IMHO it ruins the figure for me mainly why i collect the play art kai MGS then the HT ones) and btw matty rolls one of more NEW character a month with the same set theme (motu PoP NA ect all the same style not movie to comic to game).

what does the price of $5 increase has to do with your wants of sideshow to produce the figures? i said alot of people were upset based on matty's increase could you imagine if sideshow got them and charged a $35 to $75 increase (based off side selling them for $60 to $100 a piece ) cause we all know sideshow charges alot even for the smallest of items.

and scott's good where he is as the brand manager hope the line keeps kickin.

 

[redleo]

No doubt! but painting over black plastic is a bad move and it really cheapens the figures....especially painting places where the articulation is,the hands that hold weapons, which you get lots of wear and tear and rub off..

Besides,we PAY money for these! its not like Mattel is a charity and is giving us these figures for Free...I am happy we are getting these Great figures,but its not like Mattel is doing me a favor

bottom line,if this line wasn't making money,there wouldn't be MOTU Classics at all...so Mattel's threats of shutting down the line because of "whiney" fans really bores me

yea i get the black plastic thats serious concern but at the same time fans were complaining alot louder over the frosta design overlooking the black plastic problem til it was as frosta complains were a dead end then now those same people go brining it up , i mean reading around its funny, its like some people just wanna complain.

 

[lerath666]

p!tu, i love ya, but no. It's close, but no Cigar.

i know it's already been responded to, but lets go line by line.

price point : Pretty close. i'll give you that. 20-25$ for motuc
16-20$ for turtles


Articulation: Pretty close, though the edge goes to the turtles, for a few more joints, and better wrist joints.
Howeverm they do loose a little bit of that due to the wonky hip joints.


Paint: Motuc has more paint aps, as well as airbrushed shading on the bodies. and a paint wash on the hair, and a few other areas. Additionaly, the QUALITY of the paint job goes to the turtles.

I'm looking at you Derpatello.

Sculpt quality:
Pretty close, but I'm going to go with MOTUC, as the sculpts are much more defined.

While both lines are collector targeted, MOTUC is listening to the fans and presenting a HUGE selection of various characters from the motuc mythos.

Playmates has said they only want to do the 4 turtles, and if they sell well, they will look at doing OTHER versions of the 4 turtles in the classics line. Comic book, 2002 series, etc.No plans for April, or shredder yet. Bit dumb imo.

Customer service, while somewhat derpy at MOTUC, allows for exchanges for derptastic paint, or broken figures.
Not sure playmates does that. Fairly certian it's " do an exchange with the retailer who sold it to you"

 

[redleo]

p!tu, i love ya, but no. It's close, but no Cigar.

i know it's already been responded to, but lets go line by line.

price point : Pretty close. i'll give you that. 20-25$ for motuc
16-20$ for turtles


Articulation: Pretty close, though the edge goes to the turtles, for a few more joints, and better wrist joints.
Howeverm they do loose a little bit of that due to the wonky hip joints.


Paint: Motuc has more paint aps, as well as airbrushed shading on the bodies. and a paint wash on the hair, and a few other areas. Additionaly, the QUALITY of the paint job goes to the turtles.

I'm looking at you Derpatello.

Sculpt quality:
Pretty close, but I'm going to go with MOTUC, as the sculpts are much more defined.

While both lines are collector targeted, MOTUC is listening to the fans and presenting a HUGE selection of various characters from the motuc mythos.

Playmates has said they only want to do the 4 turtles, and if they sell well, they will look at doing OTHER versions of the 4 turtles in the classics line. Comic book, 2002 series, etc.No plans for April, or shredder yet. Bit dumb imo.

Customer service, while somewhat derpy at MOTUC, allows for exchanges for derptastic paint, or broken figures.
Not sure playmates does that. Fairly certian it's " do an exchange with the retailer who sold it to you"

speaking of the turtles i have yet to find them at toy r us walmart or target my local comic store had them but were selling for $25 each so i past but hoping to get them soon.

 

[p!tu]

p!tu, i love ya, but no. It's close, but no Cigar.

i tried!

 

[Solid_Slug]

Followup. Show me another action figure line that is collector targeted, in this price range or lower, with sculpts as detailed, as as nice paintwork and articulation. Name one.

Hmmm...how about Transformers Classics/generations line? Though nowadays the line has been declining. I just don't quite know if it is mainly collector targeted, but I could imagine that collectors were one of those segments they were after. I'm using past tense, for I don't quite know how they are going to continue this line. Now we have only had those mainly rather crappy FOC generations toys, but time will tell.

Though I don't have anything against MOTU classics line and hasbro should have just done more classics (and more G1 style) than they did. Seems to me that Mattel has done better fan service here than hasbro.

 

[lerath666]

Hmmm...how about Transformers Classics/generations line? Though nowadays the line has been declining. I just don't quite know if it is mainly collector targeted, but I could imagine that collectors were one of those segments they were after. I'm using past tense, for I don't quite know how they are going to continue this line. Now we have only had those mainly rather crappy FOC generations toys, but time will tell.

Though I don't have anything against MOTU classics line and hasbro should have just done more classics (and more G1 style) than they did. Seems to me that Mattel has done better fan service here than hasbro.

Nope, not collector targeted, At All. Hasbro has said time and time again they do not care about the "collector market" and it makes up less than 10% of their business. The only market they care about is kids. additionally the paint level is not there. SOME of the Voyager sculpts are, but it's not quite there across the board.

Takara DOES care about the collector market, but Takara Transformers are consistently 30-40$ each, or more, PLUS shipping.


the bold line is the MAJOR point i'm trying to make.

 

[lerath666]

Ok, i'm a dork. i wrote a letter.

https://forums.mattycollector.com/e...81027317&m=7091070777&r=7091070777#7091070777

 

[Kuzeh]

Ok, i'm a dork. i wrote a letter.

https://forums.mattycollector.com/e...81027317&m=7091070777&r=7091070777#7091070777

I'm going to talk to TG next week during Power-Con and give him my support too!