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Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

:exactly:





With all due respect, whether the neck is too long is not a matter of opinion. It is a fact. However whether it's bad enough to need modifying is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that the mod makes such a huge difference that it is worth doing. Commtechs' mod is all internal and does not effect the function of the PERS neck, so to me it is worth it. I honestly think it could increase the value of the figure as it makes it look so much better. And it's only the neck itself that is modified, so if you wanted to keep it "stock" you could simply buy a second neck. Another option would be to buy a V1 neck and to modify that with magnets, and keep the PERS neck stock. I am actually considering this again, because even though my PERS neck is shorter now, it's still too skinny. The V1 neck is thicker.

I think I might join you on that search because it will keep my stock neck mint and I will have a shorter and thicker neck, lets do it Mag :hi5: the mission is on. :lol

My wife just said that thicker is always better :lol
 
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Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Are we talking about the sonar neck? Because yes, that thing is too freakin' long.

The PERS neck I can easily live with.

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Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

:lol:lol:lol

But still a matter of opinion

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With all due respect, whether the neck is too long is not a matter of opinion. It is a fact. However whether it's bad enough to need modifying is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that the mod makes such a huge difference that it is worth doing. Commtechs' mod is all internal and does not effect the function of the PERS neck, so to me it is worth it. I honestly think it could increase the value of the figure as it makes it look so much better. And it's only the neck itself that is modified, so if you wanted to keep it "stock" you could simply buy a second neck. Another option would be to buy a V1 neck and to modify that with magnets, and keep the PERS neck stock. I am actually considering this again, because even though my PERS neck is shorter now, it's still too skinny. The V1 neck is thicker.

haha he is right, its not an opinion, the neck IS too long wich makes it a fact :)
The only opinion here is if you can live with it or not.

And Fact 2 is, can you do something about it or not ;)
However I dont blame people that are afraid of even thinking to mod such a expensive figure.
Imo, everything you need is on this board, pictures and tutorials + enough guys that done it to help you down the way + neckmod is not difficult per se if you have a minimum of....skills. What I want to say is you dont have to be a pro, its not like a paintjob, its basically a cut and glue job.
I have a Vader where I did the helmet job on and I have a Robocop V3 + a OC Batman on wich I did some cutting and glueing.

So personally I cant wait to get a hold on mine to mod it asap :)
Its the very first thing I gonna do after inspecting upon arrival!



Not a single person on this forum owns "the perfect" figure. Be it lacking minute details, inaccuracy, small quality control problems, not one of us owns the end all figure of any character.

Great ones, yes, but in my experience there is never a PERFECT figure. Something is always lacking.

So either let it go and enjoy it or mess with it in a vain attempt to make it perfection. Just don't repeat the same thing over, and over, and over again on this damn message board.
The way you make it sound is like:
- everybody that does a mod = mess with it. This is false, many examples here of modded figures that look better than stock so where did you get that from?
- nobody has a perfect figure. This is true, but modding (in the right way, not in a messing it up kinda way) makes it close to perfect! And thats what the people who mod their figure want to achieve, not perfection (unless you believe its possible) but close to perfection since that sounds more realistic.

So your conclusion that you EITHER leave it OR mess it up, is simplistic and wrong.
I do agree however, if you are too scared and too clumpsy to mod a figure (even if its something simple) that you better just stay out of it and leave it!


For me the quest for accuracy is one of the most enjoyable parts of this hobby - I'm always up for tinkering with a figure to make it more accurate. Yeah it will never be perfect, but if I can make it closer to accurate to the screen or reference in my eyes, then why not?

The debate about accuracy will never end on these or any similar boards though. It's just a part of this hobby.

Quoted for Truth!
 
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Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Imma get flamed for this, especially by the motley custom crew, but whatever. This my stance on the subject.

Customs and mods are foolish and unnecessary. Not all of them mind you, but a good chunk of the ones I see on here are.

Here is my belief, a mod or custom is fine and appropriate if you can revert it back to the way it was originally without any issues. Essentially, the stock figure. I'm not a fan of just taking a figure out and leaving it as is so don't confuse with me with some person that is afraid to "mess" with their toys. I futz and tinker around with it. Hell, I even did a "mod" a few months ago with that neat little twist tie/wire trick to make the leather collar on the T2 T-800 sit on the neck and shoulders properly.

With that mod, you can easily take the twist tie out, and viola, you have the stock figure back.

But when you get into this whole "trim and paste" nonsense, where you're hacking, sanding, shipping (shipping it out for CUSTOM PAINTZ) and swapping, that's when I feel things have gone a little too far. I don't care how good it looks, you're frankensteining collectibles in, again, an attempt at accuracy that you'll never fully achieve.

The action figure, now action figure collectible has come a LONG way in terms of detail and sculpt and will continue to do so. But most won't even acknowledge this, they're too obsessed with making an end all figure. It's baffling to me why people can't just accept what they have and enjoy it.

You have three really nice officially licensed TDK Batman figures. The Hot Toys V1, the Medicom TDK and of course, the MMS DX 02 TDK.

PICK ONE

Or pick all three and enjoy each positive that each version possesses.

But no, no. "IN PURSUIT OF ACCURACY I SHALL COMBINE ALL THREE"!

That defeats the collectible aspect as far as I'm concerned. If anyone here can create a custom or tweak with a mod, why do we bother with the likes of toy companies then? To just use them as templates? That's absurd especially when I see the excitement and fan reactions to specs/photos and initial in-hand responses.

Why do I see people clamoring for a Hot Toys Superman and Hot Toys Batman when there have always been customs of both figures?

We say "oh, there has never been a 1/6 figure of this character from this particular film, I WANT IT NOW" and yet, when I go into the customs section, THERE THEY ARE!

So, as far as that goes, customs and mods don't count essentially at least from what I'm seeing on the boards. And yet, this whole place contradicts itself with a select few that think these customization/mods are superior.

I'm all for building and creating your own stuff. I'm in awe at some of the things I see on here but don't you dare parade around with sleazy pics and try to pass it off as it's legit and official because in the end, nobody cares about what YOU have, it's only about what others want.

It's great for your collection and you enjoy it, so keep it there IN YOUR COLLECTION.

Some of you guys are way to fussy and analytical that it wouldn't surprise me if you had a mental disorder or two. How can we ever enjoy this hobby if we're never happy with it in the first place?
 
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Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

DiFabio - To each his own. I just know i'd rather own this:

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Than these:

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Or this:

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The pleasure I derive from 1/6 collecting is not by virtue of 'I own MMS 150' or whatever by Hot Toys and it is in total mint condition.

It's more along the lines of - 'I own one of the best 1/6 representations of xx character'

So if I feel modding can get me closer to my goal, then so be it.
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Yes Void, that does look nice.

However. If I were to come over to your home and look it over would I find things that aren't noticeable in your pics?

Suppose I take the head off, would there be a sanded head in there? If I lift the cape, will I see an exposed rubber suit that was glued back together in order to swap bodies (not saying you did that)?

Things like that.

Also, don't feel insulted by my post. This was directed at those that "parade around with sleazy pics and try to pass it off as it's legit and official ".

To date, I don't think I've ever seen you do this. Just recently you started posting pics of your fantastic collection and showing you take pride in your collection, not customs/mods.

Though, I don't agree with this statement at all,

Stock Medicom head sculpt > DX Head

You have to boil and stretch and paint that Medicom head for it to look good.

Stock DX Head > Medicom
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

The pursuit of more accurrate figures is part of the hobby. Around here it goes back to the HT marines, many members gathered and shared thoughts on how to further the accurracy of the figures with each other and it really felt like a community.

While some folks may grow tired of people seeming to whine about figures over and over, this is a hobby filled with passion and there are those who want to pursue accurracy as far as they can, even beyond realistic expectation.

I believe that no figure can ever truly be a 100% spot on replication of a real person, it's impossible because even some as simple as a body joint can kill that notion. However, there's yet to be a product that's come from the manufacturer where personal improvements couldn't be made.

We ALL see things differently, even when we share views, there's always something unique to ourselves. Some will see a figure as flawless out of the box, some will see the same figure as more of a WIP.

We have to respect that each of us sees things from a different point of view and no matter how silly or stupid that view may seem to you, you have to respect it as should your own view be respected by others.
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

The pursuit of more accurrate figures is part of the hobby. Around here it goes back to the HT marines, many members gathered and shared thoughts on how to further the accurracy of the figures with each other and it really felt like a community.

While some folks may grow tired of people seeming to whine about figures over and over, this is a hobby filled with passion and there are those who want to pursue accurracy as far as they can, even beyond realistic expectation.

I believe that no figure can ever truly be a 100% spot on replication of a real person, it's impossible because even some as simple as a body joint can kill that notion. However, there's yet to be a product that's come from the manufacturer where personal improvements couldn't be made.

We ALL see things differently, even when we share views, there's always something unique to ourselves. Some will see a figure as flawless out of the box, some will see the same figure as more of a WIP.

We have to respect that each of us sees things from a different point of view and no matter how silly or stupid that view may seem to you, you have to respect it as should your own view be respected by others.

:goodpost::goodpost::goodpost:
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

You've been pissing me off a lot lately DiFabio! :lol




Just say this:

I'm all for building and creating your own stuff. I'm in awe at some of the things I see on here...


There's no need or benefit to saying this:

...but don't you dare parade around with sleazy pics and try to pass it off as it's legit and official because in the end, nobody cares about what YOU have, it's only about what others want.

It's great for your collection and you enjoy it, so keep it there IN YOUR COLLECTION.


It just makes you sound like an a-hole. :wave

Many of us do care about what others have. If we didn't we wouldn't be part of this community. Some of us like to share collections and ideas. It's a big part of the fun. If you don't like it that's your damage.


In general, I agree with your principle of keeping your figure as close to mint as possible. In general, I prefer to do temporary mods, as you say. Things that are easily reversible. For example my Frodo has his jackets bobby-pinned back to be more fitted, and my Sam has his shirt stuffed with cotton so he looks more rotund. Non-collecting friends of mine have commented on what a big improvement this was.

On the other hand, I did a permanent mod to my Cop Joker's badge and I just bought a second badge. It came with the gun, knife, etc. And it's come in handy to have those extra peices. Both the gun and knife are in use, and now I have both a stock and modded badge. It was cheap to do and I think it looks better. What's the harm in that. :dunno

You could say the same thing about the DX02 neck. If you're hell-bent on keeping the figure stock, buy a second neck or get a V1 neck to mod. Granted this will be more expensive than the Joker badge, but I turned down an offer for a V1 neck for $20 a while back. That's not bad at all for what I think is a big improvement.

And a thought about why I personally do mods: It is less about screen accuracy that just looking good for me. For example, I have no desire to have my Joker jacket dyed a different color because the pallet of colors on the DX01 look great to me in there own context. But I think it's cool when others do that kind of custom work.

For me it's important to look real. Meaning, there are things that give something away as being a toy rather than a shrunk down person. These are the kind of things that bug me. The badge on the Cop Joker is an example. The way they want you to shove it under the big fat ribbon so that it covers the stripes just looks very toyish and unrealistic to me. The simple mod makes it look closer to a shrunk down police badge:


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Same with the DX02 neck. To me it's not just about screen accuracy, it's about what's physically possible. The only people on earth with a neck as long as the DX Batman's neck are African women who wear those neck rings.

I have held off making the bicep armor more screen accurate because 1) it is a more extreme mod that can not be reversed or replaced, and 2) in it's own context it looks fine. Meaning if you're not comparing it to a screen cap it's not something you would notice. But again, I think it's cool when people do it and I would never criticize them for it.


...I didn't mean to make this post so long, but you were making my "blood boil" again and I just couldn't "let it go" this time. :D ;)
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

We have to respect that each of us sees things from a different point of view and no matter how silly or stupid that view may seem to you, you have to respect it as should your own view be respected by others.

Certainly not on this board.
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Also, don't feel insulted by my post. This was directed at those that "parade around with sleazy pics and try to pass it off as it's legit and official ".

Has anyone actually done this? :huh


The pursuit of more accurrate figures is part of the hobby. Around here it goes back to the HT marines, many members gathered and shared thoughts on how to further the accurracy of the figures with each other and it really felt like a community.

While some folks may grow tired of people seeming to whine about figures over and over, this is a hobby filled with passion and there are those who want to pursue accurracy as far as they can, even beyond realistic expectation.

I believe that no figure can ever truly be a 100% spot on replication of a real person, it's impossible because even some as simple as a body joint can kill that notion. However, there's yet to be a product that's come from the manufacturer where personal improvements couldn't be made.

We ALL see things differently, even when we share views, there's always something unique to ourselves. Some will see a figure as flawless out of the box, some will see the same figure as more of a WIP.

We have to respect that each of us sees things from a different point of view and no matter how silly or stupid that view may seem to you, you have to respect it as should your own view be respected by others.

:goodpost:


Well said Maul. Thank you for posting that. :)
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Now

where can I get a V1 neck.....hmm....I wonder if Target or Walmart sells those seperately or if they only carry the DX necks.....
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Maglor, your views are pretty similar to my own I don't see how I managed to piss you off.

I did go about it in a harsher way, but oh well. It's not like I said,

WE MUST CONFISCATE ALL CUSTOMS AND MODIFICATIONS AND CAST THEM INTO A FLAME UNTIL THEY ARE NOTHING BUT A SMOLDERING PILE!

I'm not that serious about it. That bit about buying a second of something so you still have "the original" is exactly what I do. I removed the strap on one of my Bank Robber Joker masks (so I could get it on easier) and bought an extra to have normally.

Doesn't anyone here get tired of the same conversations over and over again? We've ALL had this discussion about the neck from the beginning. Why do we STILL repeat ourselves?
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Because new people come in with questions about it.



And again:
Also, don't feel insulted by my post. This was directed at those that "parade around with sleazy pics and try to pass it off as it's legit and official ".

Has anyone actually done this? :huh
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Yes, they do.

Do you want me to post examples? It would be obvious to those I point out because they frequent these boards.
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

Customization is a big part of the hobby, thus why this site has a whole section devoted to people who pretty much do only customs. It's part of the boards, and while there should be tact on both sides, which there often isn't, it's not going anyware and members should expect to see it happening in any thread here. You'd be hard pressed to find a thread about any product without some form of customization shared or shown off at some point.
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

The head is plain wrong. The ears are too long. The width of the head is too thin. The mouth opening is too narrow. The brow frowns are too pronounced. The PERs eyes are too big.

I've been criticizing the DX Batman head sculpt -- particularly the PERs eyes -- forever, and when I did it started up a crap storm. Glad to hear different opinions are finally being tolerated here. (And yes, I own the DX, so it gives me the bloody right to criticize it. Though I believe you can have an opinion about a figure without spending $300 + to own it. Craziness.)
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

I'm somewhere in the middle of this.
I agree completely with Maglor, I'm not big into screen accuracy at all, I'm big on what makes it look cool.
Ex, I was completely happy with my OC bats until I started seeing the velvet cape mod. I liked it so much that I did the mod itself and it makes such a huge improvement.
I was prepared to do the neck mod when I bought my DX but when I got it in hand and I liked it posed with the head looking down, I felt satisfied with it. I'm curious now tho with what it would look like with a v1.

The think I agree with diFabio though is that when there are some here that are wayyyyyy tooo obssessed to the point that they would nitpick figures and would say the figure sucks because it is way off when you pretty much have to put the pics side by side to even see what the difference is.
The thing is a lot of times too, they'll blow up the picture so you can see the small detail that was off.
First, who puts their face inches from the figure all the time to admire the figure?

Its like a a painting. You have to stand a good distance from it to see the beauty of it. That's when you see the big picture.

If you put your face in front of a Monet painting, I'm sure the brush strokes will make the painting look off :rotfl
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS DX 02 - TDK- BATMAN full spec and pics

All this talk about customizing reminded me that I have to get my ass over to the fabric store before they close :hi5:
 
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