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Re: Hot Toys - MMS152 - Superman: 1/6th scale Superman Collectible Figure

Sorry to revisit this, but i built myself 35mm ankle extenders last week for a Reeve in suit custom(It's not a Bruce Lee suit, but i did won one of those on Ebay today, so i will give that a try too when it arrives). The large extenders that HT sells for Captain America and the DX10 etc weren't big enough, so i made a set twice the size just to see how they look(the suit jacket was too long as is, and it looked like Reeve had been cut off at the knees...)

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So, i extended the pegs a fair bit and he looks a lot better now.
He's a shade over 12" high now. Which looks far better when he's standing next to other figures.
Here are the pegs relative to the normal pegs and a couple of pics of his new size:

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You talked about making figures for your brother before. Just out of curiosity, is he StewMurray47 on YouTube?
 
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Great shot VSpawn!

checking full gallery now.
 
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comparison of superman figure next to bruce lee:

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yeah....tiny.

it was a good idea and so long as they don't occupy the same shelf you can maybe get away with it, but the difference is staggering. i thought it would work, but you live and learn. fortunately i got the bruce lee parts for ridiculously cheap.


My Bruce Lee Accessories arrived yesterday(I picked up every accessory, suit, chair, stand, etc on one auction on Ebay for $40).
While i agree the suit is small, i have(By virtue of a very *small* cheat), been able to make it work a bit better.
Because i got the Bruce Lee stand, and it's a waist hugger stand, i was able to grip him tight with it, and raise him up about 10mm(Check out the last image below, but it's totally unnoticable in the Detolf shelf!). A set of tall pegs would have made the same difference and i will try them later.
For now, i am satisfied with the result and now i have a Clark Kent in a 70's suit standing with my three other Reeve figures, lol.

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He is indeed. Are you following his reviews? He is quite the Superman fan.

Yep, I came across his Injustice Superman review and proceeded to look for one based on this figure (I don't know what it is, but, even after I have figures in my possession and have seen just about every picture imaginable, I still thoroughly enjoy watching new reviews). I found the one with his custom Returns Superman figure that you made. He's really good at the reviews; very thorough.
 
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Yep, I came across his Injustice Superman review and proceeded to look for one based on this figure (I don't know what it is, but, even after I have figures in my possession and have seen just about every picture imaginable, I still thoroughly enjoy watching new reviews). I found the one with his custom Returns Superman figure that you made. He's really good at the reviews; very thorough.


Aha. I was thinking: "What SR figure did i make him???"
I was forgetting that one. When i made it and first showed it to my Brother, he bit his lip(He's a *big* Superman fan, and loves these *one of a kind* items). I made it my mission to pick up as many 2-in-1 Superman heads as i could while they were available on Ebay a while back(But they all cost close to $130 each, so i really need to look into reproducing them for my customs). I also have a stack of photoetched glasses(All with real lenses in them), that i use for Clark Kent customs.
In my mind, Clark Kent changing is the best image of Superman.
He *needs* the Superman suit to disguise who he is when he's doing good, but he *Is* Clark Kent(This is an area where i disagree with Bill's Monologue in KILL BILL. I am personally of the opinion that although he is Kryptonian and has all those powers Clark Kent is who he is. I don't buy into the Clark Kent being his disguise. The Super suit is his disguise).
I love the duality of the character, but i love him wearing a suit and glasses but with the Superman head sculpt.
One of my all time favourite images from Superman movies is the scene where Richard is going to get his seaplane to rescue Lois. Clark walks to the elevator, takes off his glasses, arm outstretched and flies through the roof of the elevator. There's dramatic music, but the shot of him taking off as the doors close, and being out of frame before they do is what Superman is all about for me. I love doing Reeve customs too of course.
But I prefer Routh customs like you mentioned. I have posted pics of it before, but here are another few:


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Re: Hot Toys - MMS152 - Superman: 1/6th scale Superman Collectible Figure

In my mind, Clark Kent changing is the best image of Superman.
He *needs* the Superman suit to disguise who he is when he's doing good, but he *Is* Clark Kent(This is an area where i disagree with Bill's Monologue in KILL BILL. I am personally of the opinion that although he is Kryptonian and has all those powers Clark Kent is who he is. I don't buy into the Clark Kent being his disguise. The Super suit is his disguise).

I agree. I love Bill's speech to the Bride in Kill Bill for the point he was trying to make: Extraordinary people (the Bride / Superman) shouldn't pretend to be weak...but that only holds if the characterization of Clark Kent is weak and bumbling, like the Reeve Clark purposely was to make his contrast with Superman that much greater.

But then, that's not the "real" Clark anyway either, right? That's just the public face he shows the world. Like shallow, aloof billionaire Bruce Wayne that shows up in public. Jonathan and Martha Kent know the "real" Clark Kent, just as Alfred knows the "real" Bruce Wayne. Separate from their superhero persona and their public persona, each have third identities that reveal their true selves.

Or, you can cut out the silly public persona entirely and have the real identity be the public persona. Remember "Lois and Clark"? Clark wore glasses, yes, but that is about where his classic "nerdiness" stopped. He was confident, he dated beautiful women (besides Lois) and he stood up threats and bullies...and even challenged Lois, all as Clark.

My favorite line from that series: "Superman is what I can do. Clark is who I am."
 
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I agree. I love Bill's speech to the Bride in Kill Bill for the point he was trying to make: Extraordinary people (the Bride / Superman) shouldn't pretend to be weak...but that only holds if the characterization of Clark Kent is weak and bumbling, like the Reeve Clark purposely was to make his contrast with Superman that much greater.

For sure. Don't get me wrong, Bill's speech was spot on. There are one or two Superheroes that are similar, but in Superman's case, what Bill said in the movie was correct. As you mentioned Reeve, the scene where he takes off his glasses to tell Lois who he is but thinks better of it(and his change from bumbling, stooped Clark Kent to Superman, is remarkable).
There's a beautifully acted moment in Superman Returns(That always gets negatively looked at when people mention the movie).
Clark is back, he has saved the plane(And Lois), found out she has moved on and has a son and a fiance. She gets in a cab to go home and he goes to see her and eavesdrops on her conversation at home with Richard.
Some people have called this "creepy stalker superman". I see it differently(Mainly because it's known that Superman can hear and differentiate Lois's heartbeat from everyone else's on the planet, So if Superman wanted to just listen to Lois, he could do it from China).
The way i see it is this: Clark is back and he has only seen snippets of Lois since he returned. He probably thought about her the whole time he was away. He wants to see her face, listen to her voice. And when she says to Richard that she didn't love him(Which we, as the audience, know to be a lie for Richard's sake as well as her own), It damn near break's Clark's heart. You can see the emotion in his face. Imagine the person who you love with all your heart said they didn't love you(And you overheard it and weren't supposed to), of course you'd get the hell out of there as fast as you could. But he doesn't fly off casually. He blasts away at top speed and hangs out in space for a while to clear his mind.
Seeing that, when i first viewed the movie, i realised that Bryan Singer viewed Superman/Clark Kent as i did. That despite the suit he wears to protect the people he loves, he's really Clark Kent. That he's just like us. Love can floor him as surely as a lump of Kryptonite. That for all his invulnerabilities, he's able to be hurt. But it's cutting words from Lois that could hurt him. In that scene we see that it doesn't matter if bullets bounce off his eyeball. He can still be made to suffer.

But then, that's not the "real" Clark anyway either, right? That's just the public face he shows the world. Like shallow, aloof billionaire Bruce Wayne that shows up in public. Jonathan and Martha Kent know the "real" Clark Kent, just as Alfred knows the "real" Bruce Wayne. Separate from their superhero persona and their public persona, each have third identities that reveal their true selves.

Actually, that was something i meant to mention earlier also. That it's actually truer of Bruce Wayne than it is of Clark Kent.
In more and more modern tellings of the story, BRUCE is the disguise. His rage at lawlessness and injustice, and funnelling his vast wealth into fighting crime himself makes me believe that(Not just in my mind, but in the writer's minds also these days), Batman is who Wayne is deep down. He wears Bruce Wayne to hide in the same way Bill said that Superman wears Clark to hide.
Michael Caine's Alfred put it best when he said that Gotham needed Wayne's resources and money, not his sacrifice. If Wayne funded the police force the way he funded Batman, there would be little or no crime on the streets of Gotham. It's his need to do it himself that shows his true drive, and his true character.


Or, you can cut out the silly public persona entirely and have the real identity be the public persona. Remember "Lois and Clark"? Clark wore glasses, yes, but that is about where his classic "nerdiness" stopped. He was confident, he dated beautiful women (besides Lois) and he stood up threats and bullies...and even challenged Lois, all as Clark.

My favorite line from that series: "Superman is what I can do. Clark is who I am."

Very good. I watched the show when it was on TV but haven't seen it in years. I might have to give it another viewing.
 
Re: Hot Toys - MMS152 - Superman: 1/6th scale Superman Collectible Figure

I was thinking of putting together a Reeve Clark Kent. Any recommendation on suits on the current market?
 
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I was thinking of putting together a Reeve Clark Kent. Any recommendation on suits on the current market?

There are loads of suits and i have to say that none of them perfectly replicate the Reeve Clark Kent look.
But... If you stick a Hot Toys reeve in a suit with a pair of glasses, it almost instantly has the look of Clark Kent from the movies in my eye, so then it will be totally down to your own preference.
You can search Ebay(Link below for a search that whittles out all the rubbish in the normal searches), or check Toy Anxiety, Blackopstoys, and the like for suits of clothing when they are parting out a figure. I have done a couple of Reeve Clark Kent customs and a couple of Routh ones i always like the look, regardless of the suit.
Here's the Ebay search string:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_od...o+-hoodie+-hoodies+-camouflage+-camo&_sacat=0

And a few pics of my Clark Kent figures.


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Re: Hot Toys - MMS152 - Superman: 1/6th scale Superman Collectible Figure

I was thinking of putting together a Reeve Clark Kent. Any recommendation on suits on the current market?

I think a lot of it depends if you want to leave Clark Kent's head on the superman body - the shoulders and upper body are so big that it really limits the suits available. I put mine on a regular hot toys narrow.

Try the Frank Sinatra barbie doll from Mattel. Spenser Ledford recommended it to me several years ago. Its a dark blue houndstooth suit that really does have that 60-70s look to it. You can modify the shirt to open if you want to do the "S" reveal look and it also comes with a black fedora. That Bruce Lee brown suit is too small and tight.
 
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I hope that, someday, a Reeve Kent happens in an official capacity. Maybe after they've emptied the Man Of Steel wagon.
 
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I agree. I love Bill's speech to the Bride in Kill Bill for the point he was trying to make: Extraordinary people (the Bride / Superman) shouldn't pretend to be weak...but that only holds if the characterization of Clark Kent is weak and bumbling, like the Reeve Clark purposely was to make his contrast with Superman that much greater.

But then, that's not the "real" Clark anyway either, right? That's just the public face he shows the world. Like shallow, aloof billionaire Bruce Wayne that shows up in public. Jonathan and Martha Kent know the "real" Clark Kent, just as Alfred knows the "real" Bruce Wayne. Separate from their superhero persona and their public persona, each have third identities that reveal their true selves.

Or, you can cut out the silly public persona entirely and have the real identity be the public persona. Remember "Lois and Clark"? Clark wore glasses, yes, but that is about where his classic "nerdiness" stopped. He was confident, he dated beautiful women (besides Lois) and he stood up threats and bullies...and even challenged Lois, all as Clark.

My favorite line from that series: "Superman is what I can do. Clark is who I am."

Interesting take. I tend to look at Superman as Clark's way of reconciling what he is, with whohe is. Fundamentally(to me anyway) he is always Clark Kent, the son of Martha and jonathan Kent. Superman is a way to help others and the world in a way Clark couldn't. But he doesn't want to be Superman all the time. Clark is who he is, and he wants that part of his life. Plus, I was never a huge fan of the bumbling Clark. I always liked the confident versions.

I think Bruce is different in that Bruce Wayne died in that alley with his parents when he was 8. Batman is all that is left. Bruce even admits this in the Bruce Wayne: Fugitive storyline. He no longer cares for the disguise, and would be more comfortable being Batman 24/7. Bruce Wayne is an inconvience to Batman. He'll play the part, but only for so long.
 
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Thanks for the guidance Username and kgrhoad, that helps a great deal!! :duff
 
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Interesting take. I tend to look at Superman as Clark's way of reconciling what he is, with whohe is. Fundamentally(to me anyway) he is always Clark Kent, the son of Martha and jonathan Kent. Superman is a way to help others and the world in a way Clark couldn't. But he doesn't want to be Superman all the time. Clark is who he is, and he wants that part of his life. Plus, I was never a huge fan of the bumbling Clark. I always liked the confident versions.

I think Bruce is different in that Bruce Wayne died in that alley with his parents when he was 8. Batman is all that is left. Bruce even admits this in the Bruce Wayne: Fugitive storyline. He no longer cares for the disguise, and would be more comfortable being Batman 24/7. Bruce Wayne is an inconvience to Batman. He'll play the part, but only for so long.

Great post. Good points, all.


Thanks for the guidance Username and kgrhoad, that helps a great deal!! :duff


No worries.
I should have been explicit in that when i have done my custom Clark Kents, they were *never* on the Reeve Superman body.
Always on cheaper equivalents.
That way the custom only *cost* me the head.
 
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