My review of Jack Bauer and David Palmer

[PacMan3000]

I'm actually happy they only made Palmer a hair taller than Bauer. It might look awkward if it was truly to scale--Palmer would look like a giant.

 

[**16k**]

Ouch!!!!

Great review, but you aren't being a little harsh and picky here? I've read all the other reactions so far and I think most of you guys seem to have forgotten how the market has evolved in so short a time! dammit, look even at Sideshows Indy! It's a great figure, but compared with what the standards are now, it lloks like no more evolved than a Marx toys' figure! I think that we should remember that no figure can be perfect, and for thos of you who complain about the size of Palmer, the neck of Bauer or whatever, you'll have more and more trouble buying anything as I'm not sure many figures are able to reach that level of quality! I pity you when you'll have to buy a Sideshow painted and unrealistic figure! You'll suffer much!
I don't have this problem! Every company has their successes and failure and I think we should stop criticizing just for the sake of it! SST doeas great figs, HT does great things and so does Enterbay! They're just different!

 

[Spliff]

When you have to shell out $150+ for essentially bare-bones figures, and from a company who claims to excel above all others, such problems shouldn't even exist.

 

[Scarlet]

When you have to shell out $150+ for essentially bare-bones figures, and from a company who claims to excel above all others, such problems shouldn't even exist.

Sounds like a description of Hot Toys Aliens figure here.

 

[**16k**]

When you have to shell out $150+ for essentially bare-bones figures, and from a company who claims to excel above all others, such problems shouldn't even exist.

then, trust me, stop buying the latest SST or medicom! Price point is almost the same and the results.....

 

[plasmid303]

Sounds like a description of Hot Toys Aliens figure here.

That's not the same. The HT ALIENS figure had some problems, but that was because that was the first time HT tried an articulated structure that had such thin joints. And at least Hot Toys learned from their mistake and released the brown ALIENS figure later, which had much stronger joints. This was earlier HT work, and they've improved immensely since then. And one can argue that the Aliens figure is a much more difficult and complex product to make than a human 1/6 figure like the 24 figures.

Bauer and Palmer are Enterbay's latest figures, and at this point, loose joints are indefensible.

then, trust me, stop buying the latest SST or medicom! Price point is almost the same and the results.....

Medicom perhaps, but SST figures are $90.

 

[minivader]

Ouch!!!!

Great review, but you aren't being a little harsh and picky here? I've read all the other reactions so far and I think most of you guys seem to have forgotten how the market has evolved in so short a time! dammit, look even at Sideshows Indy! It's a great figure, but compared with what the standards are now, it lloks like no more evolved than a Marx toys' figure! I think that we should remember that no figure can be perfect, and for thos of you who complain about the size of Palmer, the neck of Bauer or whatever, you'll have more and more trouble buying anything as I'm not sure many figures are able to reach that level of quality! I pity you when you'll have to buy a Sideshow painted and unrealistic figure! You'll suffer much!
I don't have this problem! Every company has their successes and failure and I think we should stop criticizing just for the sake of it! SST doeas great figs, HT does great things and so does Enterbay! They're just different!

I think most of the critisism are fairly constructive. And I do believe if EB read these forums they can find what they need to improve upon on their already excellent figures. Afterall, HT and other manufacture keeps on improving their products, EB need to do so as well. And fans are the one that will really tell them what needs to be better.

 

[a-dev]

1) Product information states figure is 31-5 cm, in product information.
2) Who the hell is Haysbert. Almost is not quite. No one can control what you do with a figure after you have received it. Not all figures are able to be changed onto a taller body. This isn't a criteria for purchasing a figure.
3) The suit, shirt & tie are possibly not the worst we've ever seen either, but what has that got to do with anything. Pics have been up for a good while now. No one said it was going to be the best suit ever mass produced.
4) All items included with the figure were stated in advance.
5) Why did you pre-order it in the first place?
6) That is your perogative.
7) You have the money or you wouldn't have pre-ordered it.

Your cancellation fee will be doubled for being irresponsible and lame. So says the figure Nazi. No joy for you.

Yes I'm being satirical, though, none of those are valid reasons for cancellation, other than stating the obvious, which is, you've had a change of heart after reading the opinions of others. I'm sure Toys 2 will look after you in any event.

Erm..do you work for toys2? Thats the only reason I can think of that someone would feel compelled to write a post such as yours in response to reading about a person wanting to cancel an order. If you do work for toys2 then in fairness I apologise because this will be the second time I've changed my mind about getting Palmer and I may have caused Toys2 some hassle! I don't feel too bad though because I acknowledged that they may wish to charge the cancellation fee plus I give them most of my 1/6th business and also a lot of good word-of-mouth here and elsewhere. And I will continue to.

If you want to sum it up though yes I had a change of heart. Thats alright isn't it?

 

[Kuzeh]

Wow,
these figures turned out amazing!!
Enterbay rocks!

 

[Scarlet]

That's not the same. The HT ALIENS figure had some problems, but that was because that was the first time HT tried an articulated structure that had such thin joints. And at least Hot Toys learned from their mistake and released the brown ALIENS figure later, which had much stronger joints. This was earlier HT work, and they've improved immensely since then. And one can argue that the Aliens figure is a much more difficult and complex product to make than a human 1/6 figure like the 24 figures.

Bauer and Palmer are Enterbay's latest figures, and at this point, loose joints are indefensible.



Medicom perhaps, but SST figures are $90.

And who's to say Enterbay would not have learned from this "problem". How many years HT was in the business when their Aliens figure came out. 4-5 years? How many years later did they rectfied that problem?

Enterbay has been around how long?
Loose joints vs Broken joints
nice comparison.

 

[Scarlet]

Wow,
these figures turned out amazing!!
Enterbay rocks!

Damn straight. If you tell me a company that is just in it's infancy stage can churn out the BEST human sculpt and paint of a production figure at a reasonable price. I say you're crazy. But thank god there's Enterbay.

I can't imagine how good they will become in a few years.

 

[rw23]

Damn straight. If you tell me a company that is just in it's infancy stage can churn out the BEST human sculpt and paint of a production figure at a reasonable price. I say you're crazy. But thank god there's Enterbay.

I can't imagine how good they will become in a few years.

Amen to that Scarlet!!!

 

[plasmid303]

And who's to say Enterbay would not have learned from this "problem". How many years HT was in the business when their Aliens figure came out. 4-5 years? How many years later did they rectfied that problem?

Enterbay has been around how long?
Loose joints vs Broken joints
nice comparison.

The first Enterbay Bruce Lee figure came out in 2006, so yes I expect that after 3-4 Bruce Lee figure releases, a Jet Li, and numerous other licensed figures they can at least get the articulation right. I've owned 2 Bruce Lee figures and they've had problems with loose joints, a Jet Li figure with paint chipping on his eyebrows and black stains on his white shirt, and now that I hear that the new 24 figures have similar problems (in regards to artic), I have no reason to think they have improved on anything but sculpting in the last 3 years. These are problems across lines of figures, not just ONE line, like you've so easily pointed out in HT. However, I'm not saying HT is perfect, far from it.

I'm willing to be more lenient on these 24 figures as they have lower price points than the exorbitant Bruce Lee figures, but if I would tear Medicom apart for fragile bodies, why would I not do the same for Enterbay?

Aside from the head sculpts, they have done nothing that would deserve more praise above HT.

 

[Scarlet]

The first Enterbay Bruce Lee figure came out in 2006, so yes I expect that after 3-4 Bruce Lee figure releases, a Jet Li, and numerous other licensed figures they can at least get the articulation right. I've owned 2 Bruce Lee figures and they've had problems with loose joints, a Jet Li figure with paint chipping on his eyebrows and black stains on his white shirt, and now that I hear that the new 24 figures have similar problems (in regards to artic), I have no reason to think they have improved on anything but sculpting in the last 3 years. These are problems across lines of figures, not just ONE line, like you've so easily pointed out in HT. However, I'm not saying HT is perfect, far from it.

I'm willing to be more lenient on these 24 figures as they have lower price points than the exorbitant Bruce Lee figures, but if I would tear Medicom apart for fragile bodies, why would I not do the same for Enterbay?

Aside from the head sculpts, they have done nothing that would deserve more praise above HT.

Who says they deserve their praise over Hot Toys? Like you said apart from their headsclupt which is lightyears ahead of Hot Toys at the same stage of their life cycle, who has not admit that HT is far ahead in innovation and design of figures?

 

[Scarlet]

And Plasmid, concerning your Jet Li figure, is that a mass problem or just yours?

 

[The Craw]

i think people are being kinda harsh. i like the figure and the body. he can acheive some great poses. he's been kneeling on my desk with an assault rifle for a couple days now and everytime i look at him he looks real. and he's real sturdy. i can shake the desk pretty good and he won't tip over.

 

[Scarlet]

Looks awesome Craw. Man I've been really made to wait for mine.
Picking up the medicom Day 5 clothes tomorrow.

 

[plasmid303]

And Plasmid, concerning your Jet Li figure, is that a mass problem or just yours?

Apparently it wasn't just limited to me. I remembered looking around the One Sixth Warriors forum and found people talking (at length) about the issue and I remember talking about it on Mediworld a while back.

Here's an OSW thread talking about the issue

 

[Scarlet]

Can't see the pics but it's unfortunate that hat happened.

 

[plasmid303]

Who says they deserve their praise over Hot Toys? Like you said apart from their headsclupt which is lightyears ahead of Hot Toys at the same stage of their life cycle, who has not admit that HT is far ahead in innovation and design of figures?

I wasn't outwardly criticizing EtB and for the most part I've liked their products enough that I stay fairly quiet about my disappointments with some aspects of their figures, but if a comparison between their figures and other company's was made I felt it was the time to air out some grievances. I'm sure in time we'll see figures from EtB that has production quality to match their MINDBLOWING sculpts. That said, I would love one of these Bauer figures, but I'm not getting one not because of the few issues with articulation, I'm just waiting for one from a different season.

I'd like one with the same clothes as found on the Medicom figure. I don't have the funds right now to buy both the Medicom one and the EtB one to customize so I'll just have to hope and wait.

The thing is, loose joints aren't hard to fix, but at price points like this, no company is exempt. I remember being pretty damn pissed about the original HT ALIENS figure. I didn't buy one, but a friend of mine did and it was broken right out of the box.