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ready to concede the series to the Magic now. They are a very good team. 3 seed upsetting 1 seed is not that unbelievable so I don't think it goes down as a one of the greatest choke jobs or anything. Cleveland seriously needs to reevaluate the supporting cast and see if they can't bring in a really solid veteran, a Teshon Prince or Rip Hamilton type. I know its popular on this board to diss on LeBron, but it speaks volumes that he got this team to a number 1 seed in the first place because without him they're probably one of the worst. I don't think you can say that about either of the other 3 final teams.
As much as I hate to say it, if I'm LeBron I'm ready to leave the Cavs unless ownership seriously splurges on help this offseason.
As much as I hate to say it, if I'm LeBron I'm ready to leave the Cavs unless ownership seriously splurges on help this offseason.
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On the other hand, all those games were decided by just a few points, and if Lebron had hit all of his free throws. . .
The Magic are just a great team at this point. I feel that they are "peaking," whereas the Cavs may have done this in the earlier rounds. Sure, the Cavs could use a better supporting cast for Lebron, but I think he has to take a lot of the blame for their problems now. When the real pressure is on, he hasn't proved able to overcome it yet, IMO.
The Magic are just a great team at this point. I feel that they are "peaking," whereas the Cavs may have done this in the earlier rounds. Sure, the Cavs could use a better supporting cast for Lebron, but I think he has to take a lot of the blame for their problems now. When the real pressure is on, he hasn't proved able to overcome it yet, IMO.
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thats crap dude. no player has a perfect game. He missed some freethrows, but are you suggesting there was a better alternative and he shouldn't have been on the court at the time? you have to take the performances as a whole and as a whole its still arguable that LeBron is the best individual performer in the series. He can't be expected to be perfect and if ANY of the other Cleveland players brought a resemblance of game then the free throws wouldn't matter.
Basically you're saying LeBron is underachieving because he can't score 60 points in a game and beat the Magic singlehandedly.
Problem is that the Cavs dont defend teh perimeter well and the magic made so many shots, also as good as LBJ is, he made some real bad shot decisions again yesterday, I think still think Mike Brown is a tool, Lebron is the coach
I wouldnt give up yet, the Cavs coould come back, especially with 2 of the 3 games at home
ProgMatinee
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the cavs are a very poor defensive team overall. Guards can't defend, Big Z does little else besides take up space. Only LeBron and Andersen actually play D. Again, LeBron's not at fault for that.
I agree Brown looks horrible now. His bench rotation has been very suspect, but he doesn't have much to work with either.
I agree Brown looks horrible now. His bench rotation has been very suspect, but he doesn't have much to work with either.
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thats crap dude. no player has a perfect game. He missed some freethrows, but are you suggesting there was a better alternative and he shouldn't have been on the court at the time? you have to take the performances as a whole and as a whole its still arguable that LeBron is the best individual performer in the series. He can't be expected to be perfect and if ANY of the other Cleveland players brought a resemblance of game then the free throws wouldn't matter.
Basically you're saying LeBron is underachieving because he can't score 60 points in a game and beat the Magic singlehandedly.
He(LBJ) did also hae 7 Turn overs in the 4th Qrt alone......not a good game overall for a "mvp".
True on all points, I thought Moe Williams needed to be more active in the past two games, he was the guy I thought was going to help them. He has had good possesions, then doesnt touch the ball for 5 minutes.
ProgMatinee
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true. poor game in that sense. definately a case of trying to do to much, IMO. Sometimes forcing things isn't the right approach either, but I imagine playing with a bunch of scrubs and knowing if you lose you'll get the criticism despite of how no one else shows up will make you push a bit.
ProgMatinee
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different matchups, different timing. who knows how much the break hurt the cavs.
Funny how talk can turn so fast.... "What have you done for me lately"...
No, I'm just saying that he hasn't proven himself to be a clutch player yet, and his decisions to go for low percentage threes over driving to the basket in the waning moments boggles me (yes, he made a few clutch threes, but you have to go with the percentages, and with the refs who are very likely going to call a foul on the other team).thats crap dude. no player has a perfect game. He missed some freethrows, but are you suggesting there was a better alternative and he shouldn't have been on the court at the time? you have to take the performances as a whole and as a whole its still arguable that LeBron is the best individual performer in the series. He can't be expected to be perfect and if ANY of the other Cleveland players brought a resemblance of game then the free throws wouldn't matter.
Basically you're saying LeBron is underachieving because he can't score 60 points in a game and beat the Magic singlehandedly.
Whatever else, if you can't hit your free throws in the 4th quarter, then you aren't ready to take on the mantle of the "best player in the NBA," IMO. I think a lot of you guys were quick to give all the credit to Lebron when he team did well, but don't want to give him any of the responsibility when they don't do so well. Yes, he is an amazing player, but if he doesn't know how to "close" when the pressure is on, then what does it matter? His team was playing well enough to win any of those games, and just a few more made free throws, by Lebron, would have made all the difference.
He needs more help thats for sure. I would agree you take James off the Cavs and they suck pretty bad where as the rest wouldn't be as good either but would still be better than Clevland.
He was trying to win the game by himself cause he was getting no help. I've seen your "MVP" Kobe do that a lot to with efforts that came up short.
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The Cavs will not win if James keep taking jump shots.
ronnin
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Cleveland looks alot like my rockets a couple of years ago when they were playing Utah, a one man show,T-mac at the top of the key trying to make everything happen on his own, like lebron is doing now,and it doesn't really let the other players get in the flow of the game, they just stand around cuz they don't want to clog the lane,and lebron not driving to the basket and pulling up for jump shots is not helping. I put that on the coach more that the players,for not make the adjustments. That kind of style doesn't do well in the playoffs,and Orlando is a really good, solid team. Glad to see Rafer do good for this team, he was always a classy guy in Houston.
Kobe isnt my MVP...........thats my MVP
Since when? I haven't seen you say anything about Orlando all year.
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Player not team. Howards always been one of my 2 favs(Amare Stoudemire). Howards a beast on the floor and is a great low key guy off it.
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