New Partnership With Estudio Proteus
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drdandalek
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Sal. Why don't you paint one up, or better yet, let whoever in your studio will be painting it, and let us see what they'll look like. As I said I know they'll be great. $200 US is a lot of money. If you could, please see if you could do better on the price.
PROTEUS360
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I sent several times a link to my studio with samples,you can check them here :
https://www.estudioproteus.com/home/
https://www.estudioproteus.com/home/
vareika
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Guys, some of you are taking this way out of proportion. This IS Trevor's partnership and the details and arrangements between him and Proteus is private and really none of our business.
Yes, there are other potential partnerships that might make more "sense" or turn out cheaper for the average buyers. But this is the Trevor - Proteus partnership thread and you really don't have to play ball if you don't want to!
Comparing this to Q is not even fair. He is a bootlegger and he pays material costs, that's it. Proteus pays Trevor for the "green light" to offer these sculpts. Comparing quality of one guys recast to another guys recast is also irrelevant. If all we care about here is price point, then go support Q! Even if I end up not buying from Proteus, I wouldn't be helping Q because I wouldn't be buyin from Q, period. I'd simply move on without the Trevor sculpt in my collection. So what if Trevor wants to support Proteus? That's his choice! This is just one more option out there for people who want the sculpts, don't want to buy from Q, and enjoy Proteus' work. If the price point is a deal breaker, then don't buy, its not rocket science.
Take a step back and some of you may realize that the bickering is really disrespectful to Proteus. Here they are happy to announce a legit way to get some Trevor sculpts. Yes - more flexibility could have been good, but the negative attitude, suspicions, we-the-people-attitude is really disrespectful!
Yes, there are other potential partnerships that might make more "sense" or turn out cheaper for the average buyers. But this is the Trevor - Proteus partnership thread and you really don't have to play ball if you don't want to!
Comparing this to Q is not even fair. He is a bootlegger and he pays material costs, that's it. Proteus pays Trevor for the "green light" to offer these sculpts. Comparing quality of one guys recast to another guys recast is also irrelevant. If all we care about here is price point, then go support Q! Even if I end up not buying from Proteus, I wouldn't be helping Q because I wouldn't be buyin from Q, period. I'd simply move on without the Trevor sculpt in my collection. So what if Trevor wants to support Proteus? That's his choice! This is just one more option out there for people who want the sculpts, don't want to buy from Q, and enjoy Proteus' work. If the price point is a deal breaker, then don't buy, its not rocket science.
Take a step back and some of you may realize that the bickering is really disrespectful to Proteus. Here they are happy to announce a legit way to get some Trevor sculpts. Yes - more flexibility could have been good, but the negative attitude, suspicions, we-the-people-attitude is really disrespectful!
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PROTEUS360
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Thanks Vareika. 
No disrespect from me as I've said a couple of times if this is the way Trev wants to go then so be it. His pricing isn't an issue for me and Sal's paint work looks great I'd just prefer to be able to choose my painter but hey I can't always get what I want and if this is the only way to legitimately get Trev's work in my collection going forward then it'll have to do. Sal can you tell me if future Trev works will be for sale through your studio or is it purely his back catalogue at this point?
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Disrespectful or not we are the ones paying for it and for most of us price is a factor.
I want Trevor's sculpts and I want them at a better price. And the only reason its impossible to do so is becuase of this nonsensical arrangement and our collective apathy towards it.
Comparing quality of recasts is incredibly relevant because it proves that these can be done for less. Why can't we use another caster who does this on the side and doesn't need to pay for a whole studio? And supporting Q is essentially off the table since you'd be drawn and quartered if anyone caught you buying recasts around here.
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batfan08
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Just out of curiosity, though, Salvador, what does Trevor thing of the new terms that you've come up with/have you discussed it with him, or has he just given you the greenlight to do as you please?
drdandalek
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The Walter White looks great. Did you paint that or one of your people? Like I've said on here before, there's no question the paint apps look great.
Well, to me it seems the question is really the price, simple like that...
Unpainted recasts from Q are $50 (profit only to him), unpainted casts from you would be $80 ($50 to your caster, just like Q, $30 for Trevor and nothing for you, I suppose, since you are a painter). So far, so good, everything normal. Except the fact that on ebay people will still opt for Q, simply because it's cheaper. It wouldn't solve the problem of recasters, and Trev would not get his share the same way.
An even bigger problem, from my point of view, is on the price of painted sculpts... $200 is a bit high compared to what Iminime charges for their painted sculpts, around $130.
Basically, neither options (unpainted or painted) would be attractive to buyers.
What I suggested a few pages back was to reduce the profit on the unpainted heads, both to the caster and Trevor, to make the price near Q's prices... this is what would collect interest for real. They wouldn't get too much on each sale, but would be selling a lot, and making a better profit on the quantity.
Similar solution to the painted heads, reducing the profit to sell it for $140, $150 would make more people interested. They wouldn't even be too bothered for not being able to send the unpainted head to the painter of their choice, because the price would be good.
I don't know if I could make myself clear, but to me, the price is what always matter to most people. And if you really want to sell to the larger number of clients, while still giving credit to the artist, you have to make the product attractive. You can't only trust everyone will gladly pay more just because the artist is getting his share, it's kind of naive.
Unfortunately, I recognize it's easier to say than do it, because it's a much tougher road to follow. But in my view, that's just how things work in this world. We are driven by the thought of following the easiest/cheapest way to achieve things.
Unpainted recasts from Q are $50 (profit only to him), unpainted casts from you would be $80 ($50 to your caster, just like Q, $30 for Trevor and nothing for you, I suppose, since you are a painter). So far, so good, everything normal. Except the fact that on ebay people will still opt for Q, simply because it's cheaper. It wouldn't solve the problem of recasters, and Trev would not get his share the same way.
An even bigger problem, from my point of view, is on the price of painted sculpts... $200 is a bit high compared to what Iminime charges for their painted sculpts, around $130.
Basically, neither options (unpainted or painted) would be attractive to buyers.
What I suggested a few pages back was to reduce the profit on the unpainted heads, both to the caster and Trevor, to make the price near Q's prices... this is what would collect interest for real. They wouldn't get too much on each sale, but would be selling a lot, and making a better profit on the quantity.
Similar solution to the painted heads, reducing the profit to sell it for $140, $150 would make more people interested. They wouldn't even be too bothered for not being able to send the unpainted head to the painter of their choice, because the price would be good.
I don't know if I could make myself clear, but to me, the price is what always matter to most people. And if you really want to sell to the larger number of clients, while still giving credit to the artist, you have to make the product attractive. You can't only trust everyone will gladly pay more just because the artist is getting his share, it's kind of naive.
Unfortunately, I recognize it's easier to say than do it, because it's a much tougher road to follow. But in my view, that's just how things work in this world. We are driven by the thought of following the easiest/cheapest way to achieve things.
vareika
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Of course supporting Q is off the table. I would hope most of you are not supporting Q because for reasons other than simply not wanting to get caught in the witch hunt.
I want a lot of things at better prices, but I am also able to walk away if the prices don't make sense. Surely everyone can do that?
This partnership was never the ultimate solution to recasts! Its just one more option for people who want the sculpts but don't want to support non-approved recasts. In a way, its the artist's way of addressing the recast issue and also appeasing some of the requests he keeps getting for past sculpts. He never said this was the ultimate solution that would "stop" recasts. Its simply his way, and one option, that might work for some people. So if this doesn't work for you, but you stand firm against supporting Q, then move on!
I think we've all voiced our thoughts on the price point enough, and wouldn't you guys say this is getting to a point where its getting disrespectful?
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galactiboy
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Agreed... I think the price issue is between Trevor and Proteus. If they want to/can change it they will, if not this is the option if you want to buy Trevor's past and future work.
Just another thing: I agree with Vareika that it's Trevors choice to partner with anyone he wants to. But a good idea with a not that good execution (in this case, the price) could lead to failure... because two things will probably happen:
1) for those who don't care to buy recasts, they will continue to do it.
2) for those who only want to buy the legit ones, but cant' afford the higher price, will still be without it.
Only the ones who want to buy the legit heads, and can afford the higher price, would support this project. But looks like it's not the majority of people, especially on ebay.
1) for those who don't care to buy recasts, they will continue to do it.
2) for those who only want to buy the legit ones, but cant' afford the higher price, will still be without it.
Only the ones who want to buy the legit heads, and can afford the higher price, would support this project. But looks like it's not the majority of people, especially on ebay.
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And I think its disrespectful to customers to not provide them with the best price that is practically possible, and even more so to force them into one of the pricier painting commissions on this board. And then just dismissing any concerns on the matter; telling them to either pay the price or do without.
Honestly I as a customer feel very disrespected.
Honestly I as a customer feel very disrespected.
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I don't know why you would. Seems like you single-handedly frustrated Proteus into taking unpainted casts off the table, and apparently taking away the ability to have other painters handle Trevor's sculpts. You've been able to wield quite a lot of influence with your redundant complaining. Thanks a lot for that.
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Oh please. Proteus state specifically that this was due to his business model; and even if he truly did remove the offer because of me, blame him for his pettiness.
And if you don't know why I would feel disrespected over having to bend over on pricing just to support a ridiculously inefficient business model in which the customer is the only one having to make any sacrifices, then you obviously have missed the past 10 pages.
Everyone else's cries of "entitlement" are far more redundant on this board than my legitimate concerns over pricing, so stop acting as if im the only one that has no right to express his opinion, becuase im not going to stop. Have fun burning your money.
And if you don't know why I would feel disrespected over having to bend over on pricing just to support a ridiculously inefficient business model in which the customer is the only one having to make any sacrifices, then you obviously have missed the past 10 pages.
Everyone else's cries of "entitlement" are far more redundant on this board than my legitimate concerns over pricing, so stop acting as if im the only one that has no right to express his opinion, becuase im not going to stop. Have fun burning your money.
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galactiboy
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Although I think you've more than made your point. The horse is dead and now it's starting to smell 
Of course, everyone can express their opinion considering this is a forum for public discussion. But damn. Once you have said the same thing 500 times, and are clearly accomplishing nothing more than frustrating the guy here who is trying to make this happen, I'm not sure it serves any further constructive purpose.
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