New Partnership With Estudio Proteus

[karamazov80]

The days of $55 paint jobs are mostly gone as well... a few still charge less, but seems that is the low end with the high being around $150. But again, you get what you pay for in these cases as well.

Present company excluded, of course

 

[galactiboy]

But in reality, I know where my abilities are at and it's not $150 a repaint Wherase for those that do charge that much (generally speaking) I think you are getting every bit of it back.

 

[PROTEUS360]

I only try to get the work for my studio,that's why i proposed this.
I won't be selling casts,unless Trevor ask me to do it,and at this point,we agree.I understand 80 may look expensive,but even when Trevor asked me to cut down his part,i must and insist paying him for his work,so no way a price for less that this(80),get it or not..in fact i prefer do not having to do casts because is not woth even for me.i don't get a single dollar if i do.
I can't be more honest,that i want is painting work for my studio,not for other studios...if you are interested,purchase,if not,i understand.
Until now the ssf guys didn't had legitimate access to these sculpts,unless you buy recasters,now you can thanks to my proposal,but the art has a price,and i insist in paying Trevor his part,but is not a real bussiness for me doing casts for other painters,i hope you will understand...it has costs that i can't avoid,painting is another matter,even i could do special prices to reiterate clients,but i can't do much more.

 

[galactiboy]

Ah, I see... I guess I misunderstood thinking that you were primarily a molding and casting service. I had it backwards

 

[karamazov80]

Thanks for some of the clarification Proteus. It was extraordinarily generous for Trevor to make that offer.

 

[tbay]

Proteus, will you be doing the painting or do you have a studio of painters?

 

[PROTEUS360]

i have an studio of painters (2 persons and a caster hired),but i'll supervise the paintings,and doing some of them,in case of course you guys order any

 

[vareika]

I hate to say this, but some of the non-legit recasters do some acceptable work. And none of them charge $80.

What other reasons could there be? Id like to know, since we are paying the price for it.

Not sure if addressed already, but you seem to be super against the price. I'd suggest just not playing ball then, that's not to hard. Questioning people's motives isn't really necessary.

 

[vareika]

Fine then, charge $135. $65 seems like a pretty huge savings to me.



Uh, no. Im not. Its not like im doing this because im bored.

I just genuinely believe that regardless of quality something should be sold for a lower price if it can be. And right now, im pretty sure that there are better options out there that haven't been looked at. And unless any of you enjoy burning $20 bills, those options are worth exploring.
As happy as we all are (myself included) to be able to get these sculpts again legitimatly and to have Trevor back, wouldn't it be even better if we have both of those things plus a more reasonably priced product? Honestly im surprised not everyone wants it.

Sorry but that is hilarious. I'd love if every service or product in the world was getting sold at a lower price if it could. That may be the case in some realms where competition is fierce and people actually "need" the service or product. First we are talking about toys here and that's already a nice to have. Then we are talking about 1/6 customs, which just so happens to be even more ridiculously priced...prices in this hobby will only increase, they'll never decrease, like it or not.

For the record, I would love huge price drops and I think like you said everyone would like it as well, but it doesn't work that way. You really need to stop telling them what prices they should charge. Its not like they are forcing you to burn your $20 bills.

 

[PROTEUS360]

You also may contact me in FB.
Just look for Salvador Larroca Martinez

 

[ShadowX81]

Sorry but that is hilarious. I'd love if every service or product in the world was getting sold at a lower price if it could. That may be the case in some realms where competition is fierce and people actually "need" the service or product. First we are talking about toys here and that's already a nice to have. Then we are talking about 1/6 customs, which just so happens to be even more ridiculously priced...prices in this hobby will only increase, they'll never decrease, like it or not.

For the record, I would love huge price drops and I think like you said everyone would like it as well, but it doesn't work that way. You really need to stop telling them what prices they should charge. Its not like they are forcing you to burn your $20 bills.

But once again, these aren't times that have changed. The materials or cost of living hasn't soared in the past year. The only difference in the market is that people are just deciding to charge more.

We are not talking some ridiculous straw man scenario where people give away things for free.These products can and have been sold for much less while making a profit.

Yes, Trevor is the best sculptor on the board. But regardless of his talent, something is not worth the price if it can be provided for less. You all act as if you are perfectly happy throwing away twice the amount on something, but none of you are even curious if you have to.

And yes, the prices should change, and im never going to stop saying that so quit telling me how I should feel. But more importantly, the prices can change if we find someone who does casts on the side, and doesn't have a whole studio full of artists to support.

No one has provided a single reason why Proteus alone is the best person to do this.

 

[drdandalek]

I think one of the points that has been missed through all of this discussion of price,etc is that these are recasts of Trevor sculpts. These are not the same old heads that people bought from Trevor that he personally did. Trevor has essentially given Sal a license of sorts to recast but it's still not Trevor's work as before. Therefore, you're essentially paying $80 unpainted for a recast or $200 for a painted recast. I'm not making any assumptions here this is fact. Sal posted yesterday that if freaks don't want these recasts he'll sell them on eBay for the $80 or $200. That will compete with Q who's selling for half of that. Q wins. To reiterate, these are recasts and not the same old Trevor heads as before. Therefore are you truly supporting Trevor against the boogeyman(Q) or are you supporting Sal's studio. Like I said in a previous post, Sal does wonderful paint ups. Among the best. But, when people are making this all about the Trevor sculpt, it's not. The Trevor sculpt is a recast. With all things considered and everyone talking about costs,please tell me how Spenser can sell his awesome painted sculpts for the $60 range? What it comes down to is if you can afford to pay $80 or $200 for a recast have at it. I too hate the term of calling people entitled. That is derogatory and is thrown out by people who usually have a lot more disposable income. I'm not rich and to hear someone put another person down really ticks me off. In all actuality, it's those with more money that feel entitled to have something more than everyone else. I'm not going to buy at this price point because I can't afford it. Besides, it's a recast.

 

[PROTEUS360]

As probably some of you know,my main work is drawing comics for Marvel.since the internet era,the sales are lowering because (apart of bad state of economy)piracy,a lot of sites offer for free our comics,so creators don't get payment for theyr work,consecuences?some artist are loosing a job or saying goodbye to contracts....i'm not here to speak about comics,it was just a sample...guys like Shadowx81 clearly say that recaster jobs is good and cheap...yes,it's cheap because they don't pay any for the art...if you don't pay to artist,makes that is not worth anymore doing art....i honestly don't think it's the right way to support so much love as i see here for trevor,but when we speak about paying him his part,then,i'm a bargain...it's funny...or probably more accurated,sad.
But this is the real world,if you don't like,don't buy,i'm not pressing you in any way,just offer a product to who could be interested..

 

[PROTEUS360]

Well some sculpts have been casted from original wax sculpts,not firefly,but the rest was.

 

[Mr.E]

Just curious, what is your turn-around rate in regards to paint-ups?

 

[Dr. Odd]

I think it's great Salvador, that you and Trevor are coming together to make these legitimately available for those that want them.

If you are not interested, there's the door ------->

 

[mmmmBrains]

Sounds to me like ShadowX81 has volunteered to find a new casting service that will offer all these heads at competitive prices.

Wouldn't be hard...

I don't understand this decision at all. Why would you partner up with a studio that is out of the country and that has to outsource a caster? No offense to Sal as he does great work, I would just like these to be as affordable as possible to help combat the eBay scums sales.

 

[PROTEUS360]

It's easy to answer,because i had the idea,and Trevor liked my work,we had spoke previously for some time,so i wasn't unknow to him,mostly i could say we're friends...

 

[vareika]

But once again, these aren't times that have changed. The materials or cost of living hasn't soared in the past year. The only difference in the market is that people are just deciding to charge more.

We are not talking some ridiculous straw man scenario where people give away things for free.These products can and have been sold for much less while making a profit.

Yes, Trevor is the best sculptor on the board. But regardless of his talent, something is not worth the price if it can be provided for less. You all act as if you are perfectly happy throwing away twice the amount on something, but none of you are even curious if you have to.

And yes, the prices should change, and im never going to stop saying that so quit telling me how I should feel. But more importantly, the prices can change if we find someone who does casts on the side, and doesn't have a whole studio full of artists to support.

No one has provided a single reason why Proteus alone is the best person to do this.

Good points on the cost of materials and the reason why prices are increasing. I can't say for sure if cost of materials / labor has gone up in the 1/6 world because I'm just a collector that neither sculpts nor paints. However, I agree that to some extent, more and more people are willing to spend more money for what we deem as high-end collectibles. The price increase are unfortunate, but I don't think as the individual buyer or even a group of buyers, we can change they way things are going.

Just to be clear, I'm not telling you how you should feel! But I think you are trying a little bit too hard to get your point across maybe especially with the dictating of what price is right vs. wrong. What is the right price is probably not something you would know best, because at the end of the day, each person has a different price in mind.

I think one of the points that has been missed through all of this discussion of price,etc is that these are recasts of Trevor sculpts. These are not the same old heads that people bought from Trevor that he personally did. Trevor has essentially given Sal a license of sorts to recast but it's still not Trevor's work as before. Therefore, you're essentially paying $80 unpainted for a recast or $200 for a painted recast. I'm not making any assumptions here this is fact. Sal posted yesterday that if freaks don't want these recasts he'll sell them on eBay for the $80 or $200. That will compete with Q who's selling for half of that. Q wins. To reiterate, these are recasts and not the same old Trevor heads as before. Therefore are you truly supporting Trevor against the boogeyman(Q) or are you supporting Sal's studio. Like I said in a previous post, Sal does wonderful paint ups. Among the best. But, when people are making this all about the Trevor sculpt, it's not. The Trevor sculpt is a recast. With all things considered and everyone talking about costs,please tell me how Spenser can sell his awesome painted sculpts for the $60 range? What it comes down to is if you can afford to pay $80 or $200 for a recast have at it. I too hate the term of calling people entitled. That is derogatory and is thrown out by people who usually have a lot more disposable income. I'm not rich and to hear someone put another person down really ticks me off. In all actuality, it's those with more money that feel entitled to have something more than everyone else. I'm not going to buy at this price point because I can't afford it. Besides, it's a recast.

I think you are right in that Trevor is giving Sal the license to recast and paint his sculpts. Not sure what you mean by this being a recast. Aren't all sculpts recasts of original sculpts? Without getting into an entirely different debate on movie / actor licenses (assuming for now it is fine), the fact Trevor is letting Sal do this officially is great. Because he sure didn't allow Q to do this. Q's prices are lower because his recasts are not legit. Sal's recasts are pricier because with formality comes process, with process comes overhead. The bootleggers are always going to operate on lower costs. Its all normal.

I think at the end of the day, no one is stopping you from buying the Q casts. Some people might decide to pay the extra $ to support the artists. That's all.

 

[Pajji]

No one has provided a single reason why Proteus alone is the best person to do this.

......cuz Trevor said so