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I'd like to see those. A lot. Just to know what kind of real potential it had.

I know people on this site as well as countless others are happy it didn't go. From what I saw shot and saw cut together it was looking pretty cool. Not everything tests well. It's like having a jury trial, some will find the facts and some won't. It's a tricky game. The fact is you can't please EVERYBODY.

I'm hoping it gets scene eventually, mabve it can be a stand alone download on itunes or a DVD release. You'd think the studio would want to recoup a bit of what they sunk into the pilot, which IMHO was up there in the $8-$10 mil range.
 
I'm one of them. I'm still willing to be proven wrong.

It's too late for that. The studios will think twice before putting any comic book show on the air if people will rip it apart before seeing a frame of film. You see if the "fan boys/girls" continually crap on everything, there is no room to grow.

I think that you would hate it no matter what, nothing would prove you wrong, because you already have an idea of it in your head, and if they don't conform to that idea, it will fail.

Hopefully next time out they just do their show and if it gets picked up they fine tune it as it goes along.

Doesn't matter, as actors say, "Old Moment." It ain't happening, so it's over.
 
Well hopefully someday I'll get a real Wonder Woman show or movie because the potential is there, the animated movie was awesome, and when done right people will watch.

The early shot of the costume was one thing but what really killed this show was the script being leaked once people saw that it was over. It doesn't matter what mine or anyone else's idea of Wonder Woman is or would be since that script told us that this was not a Wonder Woman show.
 
Well hopefully someday I'll get a real Wonder Woman show or movie because the potential is there, the animated movie was awesome, and when done right people will watch.

The early shot of the costume was one thing but what really killed this show was the script being leaked once people saw that it was over. It doesn't matter what mine or anyone else's idea of Wonder Woman is or would be since that script told us that this was not a Wonder Woman show.

What is a "Wonder Woman" show? Does that mean that "Smallville"" is not a Superman show? The leaked script was not the final script, as the case with the costume. I would ask in a perfect world, what is your story for Wonder Woman and how would you update it to fit into now? As great as the animated movie was, it was animated, things you can do in cartoon form could never be done in real world form without it costing hundreds of millions of dollars. You can get away with a lot more. Having said that, you'll see studios less likely to attempt "comic book" material now that this has fizzled out.
 
You see if the "fan boys/girls" continually crap on everything, there is no room to grow.

I sincerely hope it didn't get canned because of fanboy rage. The Scott Pilgrim movie's failure is proof positive that fanboy's opinion counts for exactly nothing in the grand scheme of things.
 
It's too late for that. The studios will think twice before putting any comic book show on the air if people will rip it apart before seeing a frame of film. You see if the "fan boys/girls" continually crap on everything, there is no room to grow.

I'm not saying I want it to happen. I thought it looked and sounded horrible. I am quite pleased that it will not air. To the contrary, there is now room for growth beyond the narrow vision of what the studios thought people wanted.

But that doesn't mean that I'm not curious as to what the best it had to offer looked like.

Jmlsuperman said:
I think that you would hate it no matter what, nothing would prove you wrong, because you already have an idea of it in your head, and if they don't conform to that idea, it will fail.

Why would I hate it if it conformed to my standards of what a Wonder Woman television show should be? :rolleyes:

Jmlsuperman said:
Hopefully next time out they just do their show and if it gets picked up they fine tune it as it goes along.

Doesn't matter, as actors say, "Old Moment." It ain't happening, so it's over.

This ain't happening. And if it had, there would never be a chance for a good Wonder Woman show to be produced. Good riddance.
 
The stars were aligned against this project from the second it started to be released. We all understand you worked on the show JML so you got to be closer to the project than others but as an outsider looking in, from what was being said about it to the leaked scripts (yes they weren't final), to the test audience reactions something wasn't working. Smallville is still considered by many as not a Superman show because it changed so much but the reason it endured is watching that pilot it felt like a Superman story, it felt epic and despite the bumps and bruises held that mystic, that hope that he would turn into Superman.

This show seemed to have none of that. We wouldn't be watching Diana becoming Wonder Woman, she already was. We would be watching a hero in action and it obviously didn't work. I'm glad the show didn't get picked up just like I was glad with The Flash "Quantum Leap" concept show was shelved because that would have sucked too. You could do a Wonder Woman show steeped in the mythology, slammed with the hero's journey or even the learning about the character itself and it would have done spectacular, themed shows like Camelot, The Borgias, Spartacus all have shown it will not only work but provides the escapism that people long for, this obviously didn't especially considering that Kelley's strong suit is tongue in cheek humor based in an urban setting which this felt like.

Networks shying away from this material isn't for the worst, they are more apt to cancel at the first sign of danger anyway. If it were up to me we'd see Comic Book shows on premium networks or at least cable networks like AMC who will be more willing to put more into a show whereas networks we are just talking about a timeslot.
 

Over before it started. Not surprised. A script they couldn't really get off the ground, not to mention indecision on the wonder woman costume itself. There was no way a show taking on a story of this magnitude would really get picked up this soon. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise. Those involved in the project need more time to develop everything better. Here's hoping to see a Wonder Woman show in a few years that will be on air for a long time, not cancelled after one season.

A void will be left after Smallville goes off the air. I hope a spectacular superhero show pops up to replace it in the next few years.
 
What is a "Wonder Woman" show? Does that mean that "Smallville"" is not a Superman show? The leaked script was not the final script, as the case with the costume. I would ask in a perfect world, what is your story for Wonder Woman and how would you update it to fit into now? As great as the animated movie was, it was animated, things you can do in cartoon form could never be done in real world form without it costing hundreds of millions of dollars. You can get away with a lot more. Having said that, you'll see studios less likely to attempt "comic book" material now that this has fizzled out.

Read the MIke's post and you'll understand my thoughts on it as well. Maybe this is all a litlle more personal for you due to the fact that you worked on the show and maybe Wonder Woman became Wonder Woman later but that was a stupid concept then because obviuosly without an origin story here we were expecting Wonder Woman now, so regardless of whether the script was a final or not what they were working on was not Wonder Woman it was Ally Mcbeal in S____y halloween costumes.

If it started off with an actual feeling of Wonder Woman then they could have screwed it up later instead of screwing it up out of the gate. Bad planning really. Also I don't like Smallville so the comparrison is hollow for me.

The stars were aligned against this project from the second it started to be released. We all understand you worked on the show JML so you got to be closer to the project than others but as an outsider looking in, from what was being said about it to the leaked scripts (yes they weren't final), to the test audience reactions something wasn't working. Smallville is still considered by many as not a Superman show because it changed so much but the reason it endured is watching that pilot it felt like a Superman story, it felt epic and despite the bumps and bruises held that mystic, that hope that he would turn into Superman.

This show seemed to have none of that. We wouldn't be watching Diana becoming Wonder Woman, she already was. We would be watching a hero in action and it obviously didn't work. I'm glad the show didn't get picked up just like I was glad with The Flash "Quantum Leap" concept show was shelved because that would have sucked too. You could do a Wonder Woman show steeped in the mythology, slammed with the hero's journey or even the learning about the character itself and it would have done spectacular, themed shows like Camelot, The Borgias, Spartacus all have shown it will not only work but provides the escapism that people long for, this obviously didn't especially considering that Kelley's strong suit is tongue in cheek humor based in an urban setting which this felt like.

Networks shying away from this material isn't for the worst, they are more apt to cancel at the first sign of danger anyway. If it were up to me we'd see Comic Book shows on premium networks or at least cable networks like AMC who will be more willing to put more into a show whereas networks we are just talking about a timeslot.

:lecture
 
I guess because I worked on it did I want it to go. It was fun and not as bad as people say. But as I've said, everybody has a vision of what they would have liked to see for good or bad, and it will always be that way.

Nobody will EVER be satisfied.

Having said that, the show ain't happening and I'll go to the next project as I'll do since I started shooting shows like Buffy and Angel, etc., etc.
 
The budgets for TV shows aren't such that a costumed superhero can work really well. A no-tights show like Smallville or Heroes makes more sense for TV.

I'm sure the pilot will be on iTunes - that's where Aquaman ended up (and that was a pretty good pilot).
 
I wish networks had the same mentality as cable; air it and see what happens. You never know. Might work, might not. But at least give it a chance.
 
What is a "Wonder Woman" show? Does that mean that "Smallville"" is not a Superman show?

"No Flights, No Tights" - In four words Smallville producers show a basic contempt for Superman. 10 years and all they show is Clark tearing his shirt open to reveal an S. FFS!!! No, not a Superman show.

Having said that, you'll see studios less likely to attempt "comic book" material now that this has fizzled out.

Yes, I was looking at this summer's movie schedule thinking about what a shame it is there are no superhero films. Clearly the studios are reluctant to approach such material. :cuckoo:
 
Yes, I was looking at this summer's movie schedule thinking about what a shame it is there are no superhero films. Clearly the studios are reluctant to approach such material. :cuckoo:

He was clearly talking about comic book material for TV shows not movies. :cuckoo:
 
"No Flights, No Tights" - In four words Smallville producers show a basic contempt for Superman. 10 years and all they show is Clark tearing his shirt open to reveal an S. FFS!!! No, not a Superman show.

If that's what he does, it took 10 years to get to it. I'm glad I watched 1 season of it. I'll watch the last episode tonight for that and I just saved myself 10 years.

Would you have liked it if they did a Wonder Woman show for 10 years and at the end she took off her hoodie and jeans to reveal her classic outfit? I'm not trying to start a stupid internet argument over this, but as I said, now everyone can go rip apart something else and cheer in it's demise.
 
I'm not trying to start a stupid internet argument over this

but you are perpetuating it. I think it's safe to say that your point that what you saw was cool and what you were privy to gave you faith it'd work has been made. I think it's also safe to say that the other side of the coin has well be established as well. If it ends up on iTunes it might get a cult like status and be reimagined, I mean stranger things have happened, we've had shows barely stringing along renewed due to fandom and even shows cancelled suddenly regreenlit.

Wonder Woman aside, the days of Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman where it was a man in a supersuit running around saving people I think is over as far as network TV is concerned. I don't think you'll ever get one of the three major networks (NBC, ABC, CBS) to really support that idea, they want the fanbase but they don't want the work. Look at Heroes or No Ordinary Family, once the shiny is gone, they could care less.

This might have been fantastic, I'll definitely give you that you would know you were there and I wasn't but I will say as I said before Network Television and Superheroes will not work anymore, shows like this no matter what the material belong on cable. Maybe we'll see this again somewhere there, there are a ton of channels like SyFy for example who are always looking for new stuff.
 
Green Arrow wore a suit on Smallville for years and it was actually pretty badass.

I think it just depends on the suit.
 
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