kryptonianmutie
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Lol. 'Nuff said.
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Thanks for not being an idiot in regards to football.
What is so wrong with motux? He is fine to me.
Everything I say about NE is true though.....
You defend the patriots much in the same way motux defends everything hot toys does. No one can say a half slightly negative thing about either without one of you jumping in to defend it to the death. At least you keep your responses short, I guess.
We all know brady has 4 rings, that hes the goat, that NE has been a perennial SB contender for over a decade, etc etc. It simply gets annoying having it mentioned and shown off every chance you get. Whatever...I guess there's not much else to talk about anyway. Its going to be a long off season, like all other off seasons. Just realize that you ruffle a lot of feathers with the way you tend to carry yourself 'round these parts, yo.
We all know brady has 4 rings, that hes the goat, that NE has been a perennial SB contender for over a decade, etc etc. It simply gets annoying having it mentioned and shown off every chance you get. Whatever...I guess there's not much else to talk about anyway. Its going to be a long off season, like all other off seasons. Just realize that you ruffle a lot of feathers with the way you tend to carry yourself 'round these parts, yo.
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I was with you until that last sentence there. [emoji4]
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Brady is the greatest cheater.
I am also a Yankee fan. It is awesome to be a fan of the two greatest franchises of all time. I guess someone is upset with his Valentines day to cry like that.
Nothing wrong with being a front runner.I am also a Yankee fan. It is awesome to be a fan of the two greatest franchises of all time. I guess someone is upset with his Valentines day to cry like that.
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I am also a Yankee fan. It is awesome to be a fan of the two greatest franchises of all time. I guess someone is upset with his Valentines day to cry like that.
You being a Yankees fan.....who woulda thunk it?
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from bleacher report...
1. Brady has consistency.
One of the most common arguments against Brady is that he's played for one of the greatest coaches of all time, and when he was winning Super Bowls and defeating Manning in the playoffs, he had one of the best defenses of all time.
To try and judge a quarterback outside of the coach who shaped him and the players he played with is a pointless exercise. Brady, Montana and Manning all had their share of talent surrounding them over the courses of their career.
And it's not as if the teams around Brady gave him a distinct advantage over Manning specifically.
When compared to Manning's teams in Football Outsiders' DVOA efficiency rankings, Brady's defenses averaged 15th. Manning's averaged 17th.
Eventually all these arguments level out. If anything, Brady has lacked the consistent weapons that Montana had in Dwight Clark, Jerry Rice and Roger Craig, and Manning had in Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
Brady has had turnover at the receiver position that neither of his rivals experienced until they switched teams late in their careers, and he'll again have to overcome it this season after losing 62 percent of the receptions he threw last year.
Regardless of who Brady has played with, he's still won at an epic rate and turned no-names into stars (Wes Welker) and stars into superstars (Randy Moss).
2. Brady has the stats.
Montana gets edged out in the stats argument due to the evolution of the passing game in the NFL, while he was also limited somewhat by the short-pass West Coast offense, but Manning and Brady are nearly identical in every statistical category.
There's no question, Montana was efficient, but Manning and Brady were explosive.
Since Brady is 9-4 all-time against Manning, the argument that Manning is the better quarterback has devolved into taking the actual game of football out of the equation.
If the two quarterbacks were judged in a bubble with the same defenses and weapons surrounding them, then Peyton is better.
And based on pure talent alone it's probably true, but football isn't played like a Madden simulation.
What makes Brady better is what makes football great; consistency and clutch play under pressure, something Manning has struggled with over his entire career as evidenced by his eight one-and-done postseasons.
Early in his career, Brady engineered wins against MVPs and more talented teams, and when he finally did get the kind of talent around him that Manning and Montana had, he broke their records.
Manning had the statistical advantage until 2006, but since Brady's 50-touchdown campaign in 2007, the argument has swung in No. 12's favor.
3. Brady has the wins.
For those who think that winning, and especially winning championships, is the ultimate factor in judging the greatest quarterback, the debate comes down to Brady and Montana.
Montana's four rings and three Super Bowl MVPs are most often held over Brady, along with the fact that he never lost a Super Bowl.
While it might be unfair given the evolution of the game to compare the two statistically, that door swings both ways when we talk about the wins.
Going 3-2 in Super Bowls in the free-agency era is every bit as impressive as going 4-0 before free agency.
Until Brady wins another Lombardi, the pro-Montana crowd will always have that fourth ring over him, but it's easy to overvalue Super Bowls. They are, in essence, a single game in an exhibition-like setting, and in Brady's case, all five could've gone either way.
When factoring in the regular season over the course of their careers, Brady has won more, and more consistently than Montana.
Because Brady's defenses didn't get a stop on the last possessions of Super Bowls 42 and 46 can't be the only significant factor as to why Montana is the better quarterback than Brady.
In both games, Brady put his team in position to win. He didn't have the best performances of his career in either, but the thin line between winning and losing in the NFL can distort just how how tough continued dominance is in the modern game.
The All-Time Best
Brady is at or near the top of every possible way to rank or measure a quarterback.
He's won a ton of games, both in the regular season and in the playoffs, over a still-going stretch of 12 seasons, minus 2008.
He's set records. He's done it in all kinds of weather. And he's done it against some of the most heralded defenses and players of the modern era.
And of course we can't forget Brady did it all as an unheralded sixth-round pick.
Even if he's not the best, there is no one better than Tom Brady.
1. Brady has consistency.
One of the most common arguments against Brady is that he's played for one of the greatest coaches of all time, and when he was winning Super Bowls and defeating Manning in the playoffs, he had one of the best defenses of all time.
To try and judge a quarterback outside of the coach who shaped him and the players he played with is a pointless exercise. Brady, Montana and Manning all had their share of talent surrounding them over the courses of their career.
And it's not as if the teams around Brady gave him a distinct advantage over Manning specifically.
When compared to Manning's teams in Football Outsiders' DVOA efficiency rankings, Brady's defenses averaged 15th. Manning's averaged 17th.
Eventually all these arguments level out. If anything, Brady has lacked the consistent weapons that Montana had in Dwight Clark, Jerry Rice and Roger Craig, and Manning had in Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
Brady has had turnover at the receiver position that neither of his rivals experienced until they switched teams late in their careers, and he'll again have to overcome it this season after losing 62 percent of the receptions he threw last year.
Regardless of who Brady has played with, he's still won at an epic rate and turned no-names into stars (Wes Welker) and stars into superstars (Randy Moss).
2. Brady has the stats.
Montana gets edged out in the stats argument due to the evolution of the passing game in the NFL, while he was also limited somewhat by the short-pass West Coast offense, but Manning and Brady are nearly identical in every statistical category.
There's no question, Montana was efficient, but Manning and Brady were explosive.
Since Brady is 9-4 all-time against Manning, the argument that Manning is the better quarterback has devolved into taking the actual game of football out of the equation.
If the two quarterbacks were judged in a bubble with the same defenses and weapons surrounding them, then Peyton is better.
And based on pure talent alone it's probably true, but football isn't played like a Madden simulation.
What makes Brady better is what makes football great; consistency and clutch play under pressure, something Manning has struggled with over his entire career as evidenced by his eight one-and-done postseasons.
Early in his career, Brady engineered wins against MVPs and more talented teams, and when he finally did get the kind of talent around him that Manning and Montana had, he broke their records.
Manning had the statistical advantage until 2006, but since Brady's 50-touchdown campaign in 2007, the argument has swung in No. 12's favor.
3. Brady has the wins.
For those who think that winning, and especially winning championships, is the ultimate factor in judging the greatest quarterback, the debate comes down to Brady and Montana.
Montana's four rings and three Super Bowl MVPs are most often held over Brady, along with the fact that he never lost a Super Bowl.
While it might be unfair given the evolution of the game to compare the two statistically, that door swings both ways when we talk about the wins.
Going 3-2 in Super Bowls in the free-agency era is every bit as impressive as going 4-0 before free agency.
Until Brady wins another Lombardi, the pro-Montana crowd will always have that fourth ring over him, but it's easy to overvalue Super Bowls. They are, in essence, a single game in an exhibition-like setting, and in Brady's case, all five could've gone either way.
When factoring in the regular season over the course of their careers, Brady has won more, and more consistently than Montana.
Because Brady's defenses didn't get a stop on the last possessions of Super Bowls 42 and 46 can't be the only significant factor as to why Montana is the better quarterback than Brady.
In both games, Brady put his team in position to win. He didn't have the best performances of his career in either, but the thin line between winning and losing in the NFL can distort just how how tough continued dominance is in the modern game.
The All-Time Best
Brady is at or near the top of every possible way to rank or measure a quarterback.
He's won a ton of games, both in the regular season and in the playoffs, over a still-going stretch of 12 seasons, minus 2008.
He's set records. He's done it in all kinds of weather. And he's done it against some of the most heralded defenses and players of the modern era.
And of course we can't forget Brady did it all as an unheralded sixth-round pick.
Even if he's not the best, there is no one better than Tom Brady.
mikedanger
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I still take Montana over Brady but who really cares? They are both great QB's so what does it really matter?
I explained this many times. First Super Bowl I watched was Pats vs Rams. Pats won. I decided to root for them. If Rams won.... I would be a Rams fan. Plus Brady went to Michigan.... like I will be. My Grandpa likes the Yankees and told me about them ever since I was born. Plus, Derek Jeter lived a few hours away from me when he played High School baseball.
I wish I didn't miss that.
It matters greatly. Only one can be GOAT
mikedanger
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Then give me Montana...he was flawless on the biggest stage.
kryptonianmutie
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Amen to that.
This is the VERY DEFINITION of a front runner
Not really...... I was a child....... How was I supposed to know the Pats and Brady would go on to win three more Super Bowls? Even then, Brady played college at Michigan... there is a level of personal attachment there, same with Jeter who played at Kalamazoo. Yankees haven't been World Series contenders for years yet I always cheered for them, no other team I like.
But hey, you are the game from Minnesota cheering for the Spurs. Don't say anything about that front runner.
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