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[BadMoon]

Asante Samuel to the Falcons helps a little.

He gives up way more big plays than he gets. There is a reason Philly is getting rid of him.

 

[wofford29]

Apparently you've never seen Atlanta's defensive backs play.

 

[BadMoon]

Apparently you've never seen Atlanta's defensive backs play.

That bad huh?

 

[wofford29]

Grimes is good. If he were taller he'd be one of the best in the league. Outside of him, at every position, I'm not even sure we have anyone that knows how to play the position. At the very minimum Asante could at least remind our guys what position they are playing when they forget.

 

[Grenouille]

He gives up way more big plays than he gets. There is a reason Philly is getting rid of him.

He's a freelancer in the worst possible way. The last few minutes of his Patriot career sum him up nicely. First he freelanced on the Tyree catch making that possible and then dropped what would have been the clinching interception.

 

[sprig0701]

I don't understand how you can remotely compare Spygate to what the Saints did. I thought the penalties for the Patriots were fair for the time...the Commish set an example and the Saints amplified what the Patriots did tenfold by putting players at risk. The Saints deserved what they got.

You're right, I'm just needlessly hating on the Patriots. Never mind that they were found guilty of taping the Rams' practices leading up to Super Bowl XXXVI. This, on top of numerous other opponents whose signals they were illegally taping. I mean, in a game that is 50% deception, 50% team skill, that's not an unfair advantage knowing what you're opponent is going to do. The funny thing about the Rams' SB practices is, the guy was at their practices wearing a Patriots shirt, and they found nothing odd about that.

Yeah, the Saints players and some coaches encouraged the D to hurt opponents, but let's look at the championship games that possibly affected the outcome of ..................... that's right, zero! They may have been taking cheap shots at the Vikings in that NFC title game, but the fact the Vikings couldn't hold onto the damn ball is what lost them that game, not the cheap shots.

Belichick IS a hell of a coach, but to intentionally violate NFL rules to CHEAT, unforgivable!!

 

[user 1190]

If your not cheating your not trying. EVERY team cheats, only some of them get caught. Just like on the field, every player cheats only some get flagged. It's all about calculated risk, so yeah the Pats tapped teams, and it payed off. Would people be as pissed if they lost , yep. People are mad the beat the system.

 

[wofford29]

How do we know Brett Favre's hurt ankle, that required surgery, didn't effect his decisions to get rid of the ball or even his velocity to plant and release? We don't, but it very well could have. Injuries to key players would absolutely change the outcomes of the games and the way the games are being played.

What the patriots did isn't illegal. They broke a rule of the league by using a camera to do what every team does, and still does. It's perfectly legal to steal signals and every team does it still you just can't video tape them. And if I'm not mistaken they videotaped the walkthrough of the Rams before the Superbowl which would reveal nothing if you've ever been involved in a pregame walkthrough.

 

[sprig0701]

I don't think Brett Favre's ankle made anyone fumble the ball. The Saints winning that game was just a result of them making fewer mistakes.

Gregg Williams wasn't, IMO, cheating. He's just a sadistic POS, that apparently got his jollies off of manipulating weak minds into doing something he wasn't physically capable of doing himself. It wasn't like he started that there, he was doing it for years at other teams. Had the Saints continued to suck during his time there, then it probably would have been overlooked, just like everywhere else. Had the Ravens won the Super Bowl a few seasons back when Suggs was blabbing his mouth during a radio interview about how their D was running bounties on opponents, would that have blown up like this did with the Saints?

Does every team cheat to some extent? Well, that depends on what your outlook of what cheating truly is. When teams pump crownd noise over the PA system in a dome, is that cheating? If so, then was the Seahawks designing a stadium to amplify crowd noise cheating, then? In '06, was Shawn Merriman being found guilty of testing positive for performance enhancing supplements that were on the NFL's banned substance list cheating? He lost all consideration for DPOY, and Goodell stated any players being found guilty of that would not be eligible for the Pro Bowl. But, in '09 Brian Cushing tested positive for a banned substance and he won DROY and was voted into the Pro Bowl. They went back and had the AP panel do a re-vote on the award, and he came back with more votes! Only 1 member of the 50 person panel said it was wrong, and changed his vote against him. Was the Steelers using steroids during their dominance through the '70s cheating, though there were no rules against it at the time?

To say EVERY team cheats is a matter of your own opinion on what cheating is. To say if you're not cheating, you're not trying, is the piss-poor opinion of a classless POS with zero sportsmanship, and I hope anyone that thinks that way doesn't coach any children in sports. If one of my children were on a team with a coach that had that view point, I'd yank my kid off that team, call that coach out on it in front of the other parents, and demand my fees that I paid back from the organization, just so they'd have to look into the matter. Douche bags like that are the main contributors to the classless punks we're seeing coming into the sports world way too often these days.

Every team pushes the limits of the rules, or they're not trying, sure. My problem with what the Patriots did in spygate is the fact they violated a rule about cheating that is in black-and-white. Belichick is a hell of a coach, and Brady is a hell of a QB, and IMHO they didn't need to tape signals and walk-throughs to use to their advantage, but they did. And now for the rest of NFL history, their dynasty will be questioned as a result of their doing so. Gregg Williams just took the worst possible approach there is to motivate his players to go out and play hard. Everyone wants his head on a stick for telling players during a pregame pep-talk to intentionally target players with concussions, and telling them to target Vernon Davis, but these same people do not see any problem with Ray Lewis telling the Ravens' D to "knock out" any player that touches the ball. Last I looked, you have to pretty much injure someone to some extent to stand any chance of knocking them out.

My OPINION of what the Patriots did in spygate being worse than the Saints bounty scandal is just that, my opinion. Someone other than me and their opinion on what cheating is is just that, they're opinion. And, my opinion on someone being a classless ____ because they think every team should cheat to be truly trying to win a game is just that, that you're a classless ____ to think that. Cheaters may win, but they'll never be a winner, they'll forever be a cheating POS.

 

[user 1190]

Now to compare Greg Williams to Ray Lewis is laughable. But then I am not surprised. One was pointing out injuries, and telling people to target them. Ray Lewis saying knock out the guy with the ball is no where near the same.

I coached HS soccer and would here them complain they are cheating, they are grabbing are jerseys, and making illegal tackles. I told them exactly what I said here. If you play by the letter of the law your not trying hard enough period.

 

[sprig0701]

Now to compare Greg Williams to Ray Lewis is laughable. But then I am not surprised. One was pointing out injuries, and telling people to target them. Ray Lewis saying knock out the guy with the ball is no where near the same.

I coached HS soccer and would here (hear) them complain they are cheating, they are grabbing are (our) jerseys, and making illegal tackles. I told them exactly what I said here. If you play by the letter of the law your (you're) not trying hard enough period.

Yep, that says it all right there. Teach impressionable young children that if they don't get get treated fair by their competitors, then just join on in with the cheating. Lord forbid you just taught those kids about sportsmanship. But then again, you definitely come across as a classless douche bag when jumping in the middle of other members' discussions on here, and glad to see you're passing that on to other peoples' children. So I guess anyone shouldn't be surprised by some cheap tactic like that being employed by the likes of someone like you. Just God help us if you have any of your own.

Life isn't about winning, it's about earning what you get. And if one of those parents decks you for teaching their kid to cheat like that, then you sure as hell earned that.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

but these same people do not see any problem with Ray Lewis telling the Ravens' D to "knock out" any player that touches the ball. Last I looked, you have to pretty much injure someone to some extent to stand any chance of knocking them out.

what?

that's linebacker 101. you hit the guy with the ball so hard his girlfriend dies

the only thing my linebacker coach in high school told me was to find whoever has the ball and kill them

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

TODAY!

Roger Goodell: "With the #3 pick in the 2012 draft, the Minnesota Vikings select.....

Matt Kalil, left tackle, USC.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

TODAY!

Roger Goodell: "With the #3 pick in the 2012 draft, the Minnesota Vikings select.....

Matt Kalil, left tackle, USC.

the vikings could also trade down a couple spots and still draft him

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

"Pro Bowl game likely to be shelved"

Good riddance.

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7857508/nfl-moving-suspend-pro-bowl-sources-say

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

the vikings could also trade down a couple spots and still draft him

And that would be the Tampa Bay pick. The Bucs want DB Maurice Claiborne from LSU.

Our GM probably wants a 3rd rounder to move down.

 

[Grenouille]

You're right, I'm just needlessly hating on the Patriots. Never mind that they were found guilty of taping the Rams' practices leading up to Super Bowl XXXVI. This, on top of numerous other opponents whose signals they were illegally taping. I mean, in a game that is 50% deception, 50% team skill, that's not an unfair advantage knowing what you're opponent is going to do. The funny thing about the Rams' SB practices is, the guy was at their practices wearing a Patriots shirt, and they found nothing odd about that.

Belichick IS a hell of a coach, but to intentionally violate NFL rules to CHEAT, unforgivable!!

The story of taping the Rams practice was broken by the Boston Herald the day before SB 42. It was also later retracted by said rag because there was no evidence.

On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots' video staff taped the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008 report on sources that it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walkthrough ever existed.

Prior to the publication of its Feb. 2, 2008, article, the Boston Herald neither possessed nor viewed a tape of the Rams' walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI, nor did we speak to anyone who had. We should not have published the allegation in the absence of firmer verification.

The Boston Herald regrets the damage done to the team by the publication of the allegation, and sincerely apologizes to its readers and to the New England Patriots' owners, players, employees, and fans for our error.

Matt Walsh also told Goodell during their meeting back in '08 no such taping took place.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

"Pro Bowl game likely to be shelved"

Good riddance.

I heard this on mike and mike this morning. bout time, the players stopped taking it seriously years ago

 

[sprig0701]

what?

that's linebacker 101. you hit the guy with the ball so hard his girlfriend dies

the only thing my linebacker coach in high school told me was to find whoever has the ball and kill them

Besides the fact of Gregg Williams telling them to target players with specific injuries, a lot of what he said to do was in line with what every player is told to do. Thing is, the other players aren't told in front of a camera. Every defender is told to punish the player with the ball, make them regret touching it, so they're more concerned about getting hurt than they are holding onto the ball. It's all about what's said and who hears it, and if there's proof of money on the line for the hits being mentioned (Saints).

Me using Lewis as an example is purely because, as a Steelers fan, I see and hear a lot of what that guy does. I respect Lewis' presence in the game, but that's it. Other than that, I find the guy completely hypocritical and whiny. Just like a lot of people think James Harrison is some head hunting thug because of what he's said in interviews, but if you look at every one of his penalized/fined hits in question, they happen every week in just about every game, but those players don't make the spectacle out of themselves that Harrison has.

 

[sprig0701]

The story of taping the Rams practice was broken by the Boston Herald the day before SB 42. It was also later retracted by said rag because there was no evidence.



Matt Walsh also told Goodell during their meeting back in '08 no such taping took place.

Having no evidence, and it not happening, are 2 totally different things. I'm sure, let's say, IF it happened, they wouldn't keep the damn tapes for 5 years for future reference. They'd have destroyed them in case it ever came to light it happened, by say, one of their personnel at a game being caught taping an opponents signals. I'm sure Belichick, Crennel and Weis didn't keep cheat scrap books. "Oh, look, here's when we knew the Rams' signals in Super Bowl XXXVI and won that game."