NFL Thread

[ProgMatinee]

everyone is a hypocrit. If true the Saints need even more penalties. I still think they should be banned from the post season for a year or 2.

 

[user 1190]

The reaction on ESPN to this latest Saints story is funny. They don't see it as that big a deal because the Saints weren't that good those years.

Mark Schelereth is fine with this while still morally outraged against SpyGate. He didn't see how bugging coaches could possibly help during a game. Yet this same guy said the Patriots could videotape defensive signals, crack code and adjust to audibles at halftime.

His point make sense to me. It's not like the Saints coaching staff had access to the info, it was the GM. His point is that the GM had to determine what they were doing then get that info to the saints coaches and then get that info to the players. Thats a lot harder then getting a coach to know what d call is then audible. I don't know that he was fine with it really just said he can't see a huge advantage and if they did have such advantage they must have really sucked since they were better on road then at home. I wonder if my either of my HS friends knew about this.

 

[ph balanced]

Wow! Trying really hard not to be biased but next thing you'll probably hear is that they were responsible for Katrina too.........

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

The reaction on ESPN to this latest Saints story is funny. They don't see it as that big a deal because the Saints weren't that good those years.

Mark Schelereth is fine with this while still morally outraged against SpyGate. He didn't see how bugging coaches could possibly help during a game. Yet this same guy said the Patriots could videotape defensive signals, crack code and adjust to audibles at halftime.

Mike Wilbon on PTI called it worse than "Bounty Gate."

His point make sense to me. It's not like the Saints coaching staff had access to the info, it was the GM. His point is that the GM had to determine what they were doing then get that info to the saints coaches and then get that info to the players. Thats a lot harder then getting a coach to know what d call is then audible. I don't know that he was fine with it really just said he can't see a huge advantage and if they did have such advantage they must have really sucked since they were better on road then at home.

Really! So just because an outcome didn't go your way, it makes it right? There's a reason why this is illegal according to NFL rules.....

It's called cheating!

Sure, it may not have effected play by play but the GM could have had access to overall strategy and schemes for a series or a quarter.

Wow! Trying really hard not to be biased but next thing you'll probably hear is that they were responsible for Katrina too.........

Please dispense with your black and gold tinted glasses.

Seriously, the New Orleans Saints are one pizza shop away from being the mob.

 

[Darth Cruel]

LOL...The Katrina comment WAS funny, though.


NFL dot com headline.

FBI PROBE UNCOVERS SAINTS INVOLVEMENT IN HURRICANE KATRINA!


AP - 1 hour ago - Federal authorities working with the FBI to uncover wrongdoing by the New Orleans Saints NFL team, uncovered documents linking the team with Sir August de Wynter in a plot to create a massive Hurricane to derail the 2005 season because they new they would suck...again.
NFL and team representatives did not return messages requesting comment as of the writing of this article. However, a source close to the investigation suggested that the hurricane spun madly out of control despite only being a catagory 3 (catagory 5 being the worst) due to the storm surge being extrordinarily powerful caused by the normal hot air blowing around nearby Cowboy Stadium in Irving, TX creating a "La Nina"-like condition in the Gulf.
More on this story as it developes.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

It's callled cheating!

Sure, it may not have effected play by play but the GM could have had access to overall strategy and schemes for a series or a quarter.

it's kinda like when biff used the sports almanac to get rich in BTTF

 

[sprig0701]

Just wow! I'd actually thought the Saints were a respectable organization, but now it comes to light they've been more crocked than a ? for the past decade, that we know of. Who cares if they sucked those seasons, the fact of the matter is that man violated NFL policies AND violated peoples' rights as outlined in our constitution!!!

It just freaking disgusts me that one of my all-time favorite players is the face of such a classless, criminal organization!!! Screw you, Saints, I hope you turn back into the Browns of the NFC!! SCUMBAGS!!

If I were a Saints fan, I'd switch teams. I couldn't root for a team I no longer have respect for.

 

[sprig0701]

it's kinda like when biff used the sports almanac to get rich in BTTF

At least Biff wasn't using cheat tactics to affect the outcome of the game, like that squirrel in Hottub Time Machine!

 

[user 1190]

Really! So just because an outcome didn't go your way, it makes it right? There's a reason why this is illegal according to NFL rules.....

It's callled cheating!

Sure, it may not have effected play by play but the GM could have had access to overall strategy and schemes for a series or a quarter.

Did i say it wasnt cheating,did I say he said it wasnt cheating? This was about how much of an advantage this was not if it was right or wrong.

 

[karamazov80]

Screw you, Saints, I hope you turn back into the Browns of the NFC!! SCUMBAGS!!

If I were a Saints fan, I'd switch teams. I couldn't root for a team I no longer have respect for.

LOL good stuff. We'll see what comes out of all this, but things aren't looking good for Mr. Loomis. I doubt this would have come out if not for the defensive scandal. Now anyone who has any dirt is gonna come out with it for a quick buck while the media is clamoring for it I guess. But regardless, just like Spygate, this is unacceptable behavior if true. Athletes and coaches always try to gain an advantage of this sort within accepted boundaries (like trying to figure out what calls and other tells on the field match up with what plays), but recording the words and behaviors of others without their knowledge is not good sportsmanship.

 

[sprig0701]

LOL good stuff. We'll see what comes out of all this, but things aren't looking good for Mr. Loomis. I doubt this would have come out if not for the defensive scandal. Now anyone who has any dirt is gonna come out with it for a quick buck while the media is clamoring for it I guess. But regardless, just like Spygate, this is unacceptable behavior if true. Athletes and coaches always try to gain an advantage of this sort within accepted boundaries (like trying to figure out what calls and other tells on the field match up with what plays), but recording the words and behaviors of others without their knowledge is not good sportsmanship.

I'm just eager to see what the NFL big wigs do with this now. For real, it seemed they gave the Patriots a smack on the wrist with their Spygate scandal, as compared to the Saints' Bounty scandal. I mean really, a $500K fine and a 1st round draft pick, for potentially affecting the outcome of a Super Bowl?!?! Sure, the Saints were trying to do harm to people, but was it really affecting the outcome of any games? That topic is highly debatable at best, but here are multiple coaches serving lengthy suspensions, as well as paying fines on top of not getting paid. Belichick should have served a year suspension, on top of losing HC status for the rest of his NFL career, if they're doing this to Sean Peyton.

What's done is done, but the NFL seems to be worrying more about player safety vs anything else in the League, as set forth with their disciplinary measures after this Bounty scandal. It's almost like they won't frown on cheating near as much, as long as no one gets harmed physically in the process. There's only so much they can do to protect players from getting injured too bad by some of these physical specimens suiting up nowadays, but there's everything they can do to thwart the desire to cheat-to-win. Players sign up knowing the physical risks, they don't sign up to potentially cheat for glory.

Anyway, Loomis needs suspended indefinitely, until the outcome of any legal repercussions from this latest scandal. Cheating is one thing, giving players extra incentive to intentionally harm opposing players is something else completely, but knowingly violating an American citizen's rights!! And for what? To maybe pass some pertinent strategy on to your coaching staff to potentially use in the latter part of a game, or in a future game, that maybe could help them out- but looking back, didn't?! But someone like him would serve a 1-2 at a minimum security Federal country club, if anything. Probably spend it at FCI Loretto about 20 miles from my house, and that place IS a fenced off country club for "high-profile" Federal inmates.

That's right, if you're going to break the law in this country, make sure you have big bucks, or lots of status, before doing so. Wouldn't want anyone "important" to actually serve prison time in a real prison.

*Good to see a fan actually saying what's right, vs just spewing out hate at anyone questioning the methods of "their" team. I know if the Steelers were found to be doing stuff like this, I'd be on here bashing them harder than anyone else for said actions. I'm sure JediMike is trying to stay away from here until this settles down on the Saints bashing a little bit. Meanwhile, Wofford is in his glory

 

[Darth Madden]

Anything that criples a division opponent is ok in my book. Come on Goddell punnish these guys good.

 

[Nitro]

I'm just eager to see what the NFL big wigs do with this now. For real, it seemed they gave the Patriots a smack on the wrist with their Spygate scandal, as compared to the Saints' Bounty scandal. I mean really, a $500K fine and a 1st round draft pick, for potentially affecting the outcome of a Super Bowl?!?! Sure, the Saints were trying to do harm to people, but was it really affecting the outcome of any games? That topic is highly debatable at best, but here are multiple coaches serving lengthy suspensions, as well as paying fines on top of not getting paid. Belichick should have served a year suspension, on top of losing HC status for the rest of his NFL career, if they're doing this to Sean Peyton.

I don't understand how you can remotely compare Spygate to what the Saints did. I thought the penalties for the Patriots were fair for the time...the Commish set an example and the Saints amplified what the Patriots did tenfold by putting players at risk. The Saints deserved what they got.

 

[UltraMarknus]

I wonder how much Jerry jones has invested to try and become America's team again? LOL I'm positive he has something to do with all this leaked info!!

 

[Grenouille]

I don't understand how you can remotely compare Spygate to what the Saints did. I thought the penalties for the Patriots were fair for the time...the Commish set an example and the Saints amplified what the Patriots did tenfold by putting players at risk. The Saints deserved what they got.

You have to remember that the Patriots are an evil organization run by the devil himself. His video taping of defensive signals from the sideline instead of anywhere else in the stadium ensuring the Patriots wins.

The Saints on the other hand are gritty, gutty, bunch of scrappers run by the very likeable St. Sean Payton.

 

[ph balanced]

I wonder how much Jerry jones has invested to try and become America's team again? LOL I'm positive he has something to do with all this leaked info!!

I'm by no means a conspiracy theorist, but I gotta co-sign on this one. I can't help but think that the NFL is targeting team(s) that have managed to retain their fan base w/o making huge expenditures (i.e. new stadiums). It has been established with other teams that have had either similar or even larger offenses have received lesser penalities, because in my opinion, they have gone with the directives of the NFL. Let's face it, even in an organization this small, there is a good ole boy network and the Saints aren't a part of it.

 

[karamazov80]

Well again, I don't think anyone can dispute that the Saints organization allowed some ____ty things with Williams anyway. And if this newest accusation is true, then that just pushes things to the next level. But the "big boys" are gonna both have organizations that are more cautious about protecting themselves against this type of thing, and if they do have them, as in all walks of life, are gonna get away with more than the little guys. So I don't think the Saints are the only "evil" organization in the history of the NFL to do "evil" things. But there aren't many that both do that stuff and get caught doing it to this level. And that's a culture that gets set primarily by some combination of the owner, GM, and coach. I don't think Payton knew any of this, but I do think he was probably a bit arrogant not to do what was necessary to try and protect his team from that kind of ____. Certainly, Williams was arrogant as ____ allowing his speech to be recorded, and I think that mentality comes from the top-down, coaching-wise. As for Loomis and Benson, well. . .I can't say the same positive things about them

So, the Saints administration has been inept in two distinct, inter-related ways. First, they lacked the checks, oversight, good sense, and integrity to keep these things from happening in the first place. And second, they got caught because they were so sloppy and arrogant. Other teams differ from the Saints in one way or the other.

But to sprig's earlier post--no, I'm not gonna stop being a Saints fan for this sort of thing, anymore than you would if the Steelers got caught doing this, or Wofford would stop being a Falcons fan because of it, or Flosi or theJosh would stop being a 49ers fan if they did this. The organization obviously has issues right now, and maybe there were a few bad apples there for awhile, but this is a team I've loved since I was 3 or 4 years old. As long as they are in Louisiana, I'll be a fan no matter who the owner, GM, coach, or QB are.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

Anything that criples a division opponent is ok in my book. Come on Goddell punnish these guys good.

 

[BadMoon]

And the faagina of the year award goes to https://www.cnn.com/2012/04/24/sport/deion-sanders-wife/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Always knew he was a _____.

 

[wofford29]

Asante Samuel to the Falcons helps a little.