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Cameron Terminator Trilogy:


"The question is — has the franchise run its course or can it be freshened up?,” Cameron says. “So I am in discussions with David Ellison, who is the current rights holder globally for the Terminator franchise and the rights in the US market revert to me under US copyright law in a year and a half so he and I are talking about what we can do. Right now we are leaning toward doing a three-film arc and reinventing it.”

 
If he doesn't want to direct them himself then I have no confidence that they would be any better than T3-Genisys. I may not understand why he feels the need to make 4 more Avatars but he must think they'll be worthwhile if he's making them all personally - they're a passion project for him and as such I think they're bound to have some merit. Yet another attempt at a new Terminator trilogy where he's probably going to be nothing more than a producer though? :dunno
 
He won't though. Like a-Dev said he's all about Avatar now, that's where his passion lies for whatever reason.
 
Terminator ended back in 1991. Those first 2 movies are awesome but the franchise as a whole needs to be put to rest. Besides, the concept and world of the Terminator does feel a little dated in 2017 (But none the less still cool).
 
I don't think it feels dated at all. If anything it's becoming more relevant today, especially with how reliant we are with technology. There's plenty of awesome things they could do with the franchise. How many terminator fans have repeatedly asked for a future war movie? (Referring to what we saw in T1/T2) But Instead they'll re-use the same ol dry ass time travel plot that's been done a million times.
 
Fox is already questioning finishing the Prometheus trilogy, with the sales of Genisys, I'd be surprised if any studio was willing to back another Terminator film right now.
 
Terminator ended back in 1991. Those first 2 movies are awesome but the franchise as a whole needs to be put to rest. Besides, the concept and world of the Terminator does feel a little dated in 2017 (But none the less still cool).

Then we should end Star Trek, Star Wars, Spider-man, etc.

Terminator is routinely ranked as one of the top 5 scifi franchises of all time. A few stinkers shouldn't(and won't) kill the property. If that were the case, Enterprise would've ended Star Trek, Spider-man would've died with Spider-man 3, and Star Wars would've ended with...The Force Awakens(bwahahahahahaha).

By the way, I only referred to those franchises because they're usually ranked alongside Terminator.

While I liked Salvation, and even enjoyed Genisys, it wasn't the kick in the pants the franchise needed. But it will come.
 
Fox is already questioning finishing the Prometheus trilogy, with the sales of Genisys, I'd be surprised if any studio was willing to back another Terminator film right now.

If Cameron is a producer they sure as hell will.
 
I have a few great and logical ideas to continue the story after T2 ends. I thought of these "revelations" in a realistic point of view of what would really happen should the story continue. Read on guys, and chime in on what you think.

First revelation:

If you remember at the end of T2, where Arnold gets his arm pinned in the sprocket of a gigantic gear by the T-1000, that bit of arm is STILL in the machinery after Arnold pries it off with the metal bar! It is the ONLY piece of the future that survives the story ( movie ). What if that piece of his arm is found by the steel workers a few days later and given to a tech firm? What if that arm ( plot surprise! ) ends up being the catalyst of Skynets creation and NOT the arm from T1?

Second revelation:

I find it hard to believe that Miles Dyson would be solely responsible for the future events that will take place. A company the size and scope of Cyberdyne would have had many, many engineers and scientists working alongside Miles Dyson. Killing Dyson in T2 probably realistically didn't change anything, as other scientists almost definitely would have had those same computer files stored in their own computers and file cabinets at home! Any one of those scientists would thus become what Dyson would have become had Dyson lived.

Third revelation:

Consider the fact that Dr. Silberman now has knowledge and first hand eye witness accounts of these two futuristic machines in action, considering he saw both in the detainment hallway at the Pescadero mental institution when Arnold assisted John Connor in rescuing his mother, Sarah Connor. This institution is riddled with security cameras recording every angle 24 hours a day, seven days a week. After the breakout of Sarah from the institution, there would ABSOLUTELY have been an investigation done by the authorities as to what happened. They will talk to Dr. Silberman and the employees who were beaten up by Arnold and review the recorded video tapes. They will now see a fantastic glimpse of the T-1000 oozing through a steel jail door, only to have his pistol get stuck. They will see through the video surveillance of Arnold taking multiple rounds of 9mm ammo to his back and run into the elevator unscathed. They will see how the T-1000 can magically manipulate the geometry of his hands to form sharp metal objects and tools as it pries open the elevator door. They will pull Sarah's file from the institution's archives and interview Dr. Silberman and will continue to look for Sarah and John for the rest of their lives. Government agents (CIA and FBI) will most likely learn about the video footage and declare it a Top Secret/ National security matter....now you can see the basic plot of a true 3rd movie in the terminator franchise....Sarah and John on the run. During this time, Sarah and John see a Kyle Reese as a boy growing up. John finally "meets" his real dad.

A 4th revelation:

what if Sarah and John are captured by the authorities while on the run? What if they are shown the video footage of the terminators in action back at the mental institution? The authorities will now find it hard to discount Sarah's ( or John's ) story of an impending apocalypse. The authorities cannot refute the factual evidence of the video surveillance recordings. So the question now becomes: by virtue of the video recordings and the statements made by Silberman, Sarah and John, does this set the wheels of fate in motion of the creation of Skynet, albeit at a much later date? Top secret government scientists will see the video footage and begin work on emulating the technology they've seen. By starting from scratch ( no CPU as Cyberdyne had ) the scientists will eventually create a skynet in the future, well past the date Sarah knows because the scientists had less data or inspiration to start with.
 
Pretty much all of that has already been explored in the T2 novel series by S.M. Sterling and the John Connor Chronicles by Russell Blackford.

Both series started pretty solidly. Both were great. Particularly the first book of JCC and the first two books of T2, but JCC started going off the rails in the second book, and the third book in the T2 series seemed like it was rushed to print to bank on sales with the upcoming release of T3.

Personally, unless Cameron is writing AND directing, I'm really not interested in any more sequels. It wasn't just his narrative that made his movies enjoyable, but also his guerrilla, hands-on style of directing and his ability to tell the suits to shut up when they tried to interfere.
 
Well, the ripped off arm idea has done the rounds since before T3 existed. And to me it's not really a good launching point for anything. It's just an arm...not even a full arm. That's not nearly enough to work with. The chip was the most important thing and they were destroyed.

As to the second point - as hard as it may be to believe that Dyson was solely responsible I think that's what we're supposed to accept in the movie. The T-800 seemingly wasn't aware of anyone else nor did Dyson himself reveal that anyone else was involved or could continue his work - and now knowing what he knew he seemed pretty determined to destroy everything so I don't think he was holding any information back - unless he legitimately forgot about something or others had gone over his head without his knowledge and made copies of everything he was doing. Maybe it could be said that the T-800 was pulling a bit of a deception and not being forthcoming with everything he knew (like in T3) but I doubt it. I believe that the T-800 was also genuinely invested in stopping Judgment Day by that point in the movie and, to the best of its knowledge, they were doing everything necessary towards achieving that end. Now, it's ****ing time-paradoxes so maybe the T-800 could have been simply wrong. Not that I consider it canon but even in Genisys he adds the caveat of ''theoretically'' whenever he has an idea about something that may nor may not work.

Points 3 and 4 are fine although, without any future tech remaining besides that useless crushed hand, the creation of skynet would be back on the long finger so to speak. It might happen eventually by a natural evolution of technology which, as one idea says, must have happened originally in a lost timeline. An original Skynet that came about without any time travel, an original John Connor whose dad is not Kyle Reese and who would later be erased from existence by Kyle Reese.
 
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First revelation:

If you remember at the end of T2, where Arnold gets his arm pinned in the sprocket of a gigantic gear by the T-1000, that bit of arm is STILL in the machinery after Arnold pries it off with the metal bar! It is the ONLY piece of the future that survives the story ( movie ). What if that piece of his arm is found by the steel workers a few days later and given to a tech firm? What if that arm ( plot surprise! ) ends up being the catalyst of Skynets creation and NOT the arm from T1?
it will truly be a revelation when you realise that people who understood a need to destroy one terminator arm surely understood a need to destroy another.
same about other points.

Second revelation:

I find it hard to believe that Miles Dyson would be solely responsible for the future events that will take place.
what you believe is irrelevant. what is told by storyteller through Dyson role is important, because that's what sets the setting.
also when you start working in an office, you'll know the trouble of working on your own project when nothing can be done without repeated phone calls to you while you're on vacation.
also you'll know about secrecy policy and won't think about "own computers and file cabinets at home". or maybe you will be immediately fired and sued.
the guy was the only with clearance of working at home.

Third revelation:

Consider the fact that Dr. Silberman now has knowledge and first hand eye witness accounts of these two futuristic machines in action
a psychiatrist went crazy from working with crazy people.
c'mon, everybody knows they are not normal to begin with. nobody "normal" can calmly have a conversation with wackos.
for the start - he "treated" Sarah from accepting the Reese "delusion", and nobody cared. no one will when he goes crazy with the same "delusion" after years of studying the case. that's a common story.

A 4th revelation:

what if Sarah and John are captured by the authorities while on the run?
then none of those events we saw happened, because there was no John and no resistance and thus no travel back in time and no Skynet creation.
once again, saying what you're saying is relevant before the events are set in stone. the movie tells the story based on a story, and, as it is a story about time travel, no such things happened already, though they take place in future from the point of view of characters in the movie.

It might happen eventually by a natural evolution of technology which, as one idea says, must have happened originally in a lost timeline. An original Skynet that came about without any time travel, an original John Connor whose dad is not Kyle Reese and who would later be erased from existence by Kyle Reese.
that's some terminator jajuja crap from terminator jajuja forums. they caused T3, T4 and T5. (and they were caused by T2, but that's another story.)
i really hope you just quote that blabber and don't actually agree with it :pray:
 
you consider the movie that contradicts the original movie in every single idea canon.
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i can live with that.
 
Bottom line, the story or The Terminator was not designed for sequels, but T2 got away with it because it was a well constructed film, subsequent sequels have not because their stories have not been strong enough to make you overlook the plot holes.
 
A movie about time travel opens the doors to numerous amounts of possibilities. The problem has not only been with the lackluster writing, but also the directors. Mostow, Mcg, and Alan Taylor aren't exactly top notch.
 
For me, Terminator starts with The Terminator (1984) and ends with T2: Judgment Day. Just those two. No more.
 
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