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I wish they had have killed Wendy, rather than the one they did kill off...

The second half of this season wasn't that good until the final two episodes.
 
Asta said:
I wish they had have killed Wendy, rather than the one they did kill off...

The second half of this season wasn't that good until the final two episodes.
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This. Come the end of the day she was easily the most despicable character for me. At least the cartel characters didn't pretend to be anything other than what they were. She was just utterly selfish and conniving, constantly going behind Marty's back. I was hoping that Marty would arrange an "accident" for her. You know he wanted to strangle her after her last end around, when he lost it during that traffic jam scene. :lol

Asta said:
Felt more like they were treading water and going round in circles.

I think the writers were running out of steam.
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Yeah other than the Ruth and Rachel stuff I found these last episodes rather disappointing. The whole Camila subplot was telegraphed and the Father Benitez character was unnecessary (kind of came out of left field too). Sure there was some suspense and I suppose given the entire arc of the show the ending made sense, but nonetheless I found it rather anticlimactic.
 
The Buffinator said:
This. Come the end of the day she was easily the most despicable character for me. At least the cartel characters didn't pretend to be anything other than what they were. She was just utterly selfish and conniving, constantly going behind Marty's back. I was hoping that Marty would arrange an "accident" for her. You know he wanted to strangle her after her last end around, when he lost it during that traffic jam scene. :lol


Yeah other than the Ruth and Rachel stuff I found these last episodes rather disappointing. The whole Camila subplot was telegraphed and the Father Benitez character was unnecessary (kind of came out of left field too). Sure there was some suspense and I suppose given the entire arc of the show the ending made sense, but nonetheless I found it rather anticlimactic.
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When Wendy went full on psycho, to the point of checking herself into a 'Behavioural' clinic, it seemed like the writers had lost the plot too.

What started out as a tightly written story ended up going round in circles and becoming farcical. Even the car crash that started the series had no real payoff. Just a dramatic red herring.

After recently watching Better Call Saul seasons 3-5, the last season of Ozark felt quite amateurish.
 
Asta said:
When Wendy went full on psycho, to the point of checking herself into a 'Behavioural' clinic, it seemed like the writers had lost the plot too.

What started out as a tightly written story ended up going round in circles and becoming farcical. Even the car crash that started the series had no real payoff. Just a dramatic red herring.

After recently watching Better Call Saul seasons 3-5, the last season of Ozark felt quite amateurish.
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Agreed, and season 6 of Better Call Saul is doing a much better job of building to a suspenseful conclusion, even though we kind of know where it's going to end up.
 
The Buffinator said:
Agreed, and season 6 of Better Call Saul is doing a much better job of building to a suspenseful conclusion, even though we kind of know where it's going to end up.
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I'm holding off watching the latest season until all the episodes are up so I've been careful to try not to catch any spoilers. lol
 
The Buffinator said:
The whole Camila subplot was telegraphed and the Father Benitez character was unnecessary (kind of came out of left field too).
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Agreed.

Asta said:
When Wendy went full on psycho, to the point of checking herself into a 'Behavioural' clinic, it seemed like the writers had lost the plot too.

Even the car crash that started the series had no real payoff. Just a dramatic red herring.
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Agreed. I hate red herrings that are given too much upfront significance.
 
Gosh, while I was watching the last half of the season, I was thinking it might be fun to re-watch to remind myself of how it all started, but with how it all wrapped up, now I'm wondering if it was always this bad, or if they just didn't know what to do with the last season.

I had totally forgotten about that car crash scene from the earlier part of the season until it played out in full, then it turns out they just walk away and it didn't affect anything?? What the heck is that?

I don't want to watch a show about bad people doing bad things and getting away with it.
 
The show grew more and more implausible as time went on and as seems to happen so often, the writers didn't know how to end it.

I get what they were attempting to do but in order to get there they had players acting well out of character. Lazy and sloppy.
 
The Buffinator said:
Agreed, and season 6 of Better Call Saul is doing a much better job of building to a suspenseful conclusion, even though we kind of know where it's going to end up.
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I haven't watched the show at all -- not sure if I can commit to 6 seasons of watching scum-of-the-earth operate.

Breaking Bad, Dexter, Ozark ... and I'm dead sure I'm missing some but all these shows about 'antiheros' or psychological explorations of villains/psychos/sociopaths are starting to wear on me.
 
ZE_501 said:
The show grew more and more implausible as time went on and as seems to happen so often, the writers didn't know how to end it.

I get what they were attempting to do but in order to get there they had players acting well out of character. Lazy and sloppy.
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The more I think about the finale the more it irritates me. First with Ruth getting out of her car instead of getting the hell out of there when she sees there's an SUV waiting on her property that might as well have had CARTEL stenciled on it in huge letters. Then the PI/cop sticks around WITH THE EVIDENCE (Ben's remains) and WITHOUT HIS WEAPON BEING DRAWN to what - tell the psycho, murderous Byrde family that they don't get to win? So the two characters that have displayed the most street smarts of anyone go totally against type when it matters the most? Give me a break. The only thing logical about the finale was where Jonah ends up given his role models, but the writers could have gotten there without torpedoing the other characters.
 
The Buffinator said:
The more I think about the finale the more it irritates me. First with Ruth getting out of her car instead of getting the hell out of there when she sees there's an SUV waiting on her property that might as well have had CARTEL stenciled on it in huge letters. Then the PI/cop sticks around WITH THE EVIDENCE (Ben's remains) and WITHOUT HIS WEAPON BEING DRAWN to what - tell the psycho, murderous Byrde family that they don't get to win?
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Yeah, that end scene with the PI was too much. And not satisfying to boot.

And considering how terrified she was for Rachel earlier, it did seem odd that Ruth would just walk on out... but maybe she thought she was immune since she just had a meeting with Camilla and the Feds and everything seemed safe again. In some ways, she's always had a death wish -- or her balls were just too big.
 
The Buffinator said:
The more I think about the finale the more it irritates me. First with Ruth getting out of her car instead of getting the hell out of there when she sees there's an SUV waiting on her property that might as well have had CARTEL stenciled on it in huge letters. Then the PI/cop sticks around WITH THE EVIDENCE (Ben's remains) and WITHOUT HIS WEAPON BEING DRAWN to what - tell the psycho, murderous Byrde family that they don't get to win? So the two characters that have displayed the most street smarts of anyone go totally against type when it matters the most? Give me a break. The only thing logical about the finale was where Jonah ends up given his role models, but the writers could have gotten there without torpedoing the other characters.
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I was reading other comments that Ruth acted the way she did at that point because she was 'checked out' and didn't care about dying ... which I can see the writers were trying to make clear with her imagining Wyatt was still there, but that was still uncharacteristic of her, because I don't remember her daydreaming in previous seasons. And further with her discussions with the sheriff and the judge, it seems like she knows her family was garbage and she wanted to move on, so showing her daydreaming about her family being together and happy seems unlike her.

And I'd wager that Mel didn't think the Byrdes would kill him because he'd been watching them for a while and figured they weren't capable of that. Hell, if I were Wendy I would've just had Mel killed instead of getting him a job. She already had her brother killed, surely the PI means less to her than her own brother. Had she done that, Schaeffer could've fixed the SDN list, Navarro could've killed Camilla, and everything would've ended up fine. The 'who killed Javi' thread would still be dangling but it seems like Navarro didn't care that much, he's just happy his rival is gone.
 
I liked Camilla s a villain and wished she could have played out for more of the season.

But I suppose Season 5 will do that. I know, I know, they say this is the last season. Just like Brady's retirement and Elton John's last concert. But I can imagine a year from now, Bateman gets a call from one of his writers who says "I got a great idea for Season 5"... Hell, maybe they already have that idea.
 
Wor-Gar said:
Yeah, that end scene with the PI was too much. And not satisfying to boot.

And considering how terrified she was for Rachel earlier, it did seem odd that Ruth would just walk on out... but maybe she thought she was immune since she just had a meeting with Camilla and the Feds and everything seemed safe again. In some ways, she's always had a death wish -- or her balls were just too big.
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IDK, their showing up unannounced AFTER an agreement was in place would have put the Ruth we'd seen prior to this on even HIGHER alert. Camilla may be the new head, but it's still the same ruthless (pun intended) Mexican drug cartel that's taken out the former sheriff, Wyatt, Darlene (& almost Rachel) and has controlled the Byrdes - Ruth would have known there was never going to be a time when she'd be truly "safe" again.

SwedishHeat said:
I was reading other comments that Ruth acted the way she did at that point because she was 'checked out' and didn't care about dying ... which I can see the writers were trying to make clear with her imagining Wyatt was still there, but that was still uncharacteristic of her, because I don't remember her daydreaming in previous seasons. And further with her discussions with the sheriff and the judge, it seems like she knows her family was garbage and she wanted to move on, so showing her daydreaming about her family being together and happy seems unlike her.

And I'd wager that Mel didn't think the Byrdes would kill him because he'd been watching them for a while and figured they weren't capable of that. Hell, if I were Wendy I would've just had Mel killed instead of getting him a job. She already had her brother killed, surely the PI means less to her than her own brother. Had she done that, Schaeffer could've fixed the SDN list, Navarro could've killed Camilla, and everything would've ended up fine. The 'who killed Javi' thread would still be dangling but it seems like Navarro didn't care that much, he's just happy his rival is gone.
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If Ruth didn't care about dying then they shouldn't have had her get her record wiped clean, take over the casino, tear down the family trailers and start building a house. That's someone who's moving on with a plan, not checking out. I think she was contemplating "checking out" initially, but then snapped out of it with the help of Rachel.

As for Mel, he had (a) video evidence of Wendy all but handing her brother off to the cartel hitman for execution and (b) Ben's ashes proving that her story about his disappearance was a blatant lie. You don't give a person like her any heads up regarding evidence or a pending arrest, and you certainly don't do it without your gun drawn or having backup. Even if Jonah wasn't there, Mel would know that she or Marty wouldn't hesitate to call the cartel to have him killed the moment he left their property. Sorry, but in Mel's case they threw logic out the window in order to get to the ending they wanted.
 

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