Painters and recasters

[csi]

Well, you don't understand my point then. I've tried to answer you the only way I am capable.

I am sorry your capabilities are so limited. Must be rough being you.

Seriously though if you are sick of him repeating himself over and over, then why engage him? Your simply perpetuating the problem

 

[LipSmack]

You didn't answer my last question.

No I would not, because I don't consider a chin an actors portrait, I see your point but it doesn't hold up.

And HT is paying all of their legally obligated to to the rightful owners

 

[batfan08]

I think a better debate would be the HT Predator Billy figure. With a minimal repaint for the hair and alcohol to remove the face paint, one can get a good likeness of the actor who portrayed the character in the movie. Why else would they opted to give the fig Blonde hair and a cameo face - both of which the actor didn't wear in Predator.

That's an older figure, though, and we knew HT did stuff like this in the past. I just wanted to get a good debate going about this figure, since it's brand new and all.

 

[Doom Saber]

Both. I know he recasted Adam's Bale head, he probably did the Dexter head too.

He was banned a few months ago for recasting, and I know he's come back once under a different name, I don't remember what it was, and was banned. . . and Maybach music was banned recently, I don't know if that was him too. I just assume any noob who is banned all of a sudden was Odell.

Thanks. The Dexter head I got from him was casted in light tan resin, part of which was glossy. I checked my old inbox messages from him back in Nov, and he claimed that he bought two heads from a member here, but decided to sell one after cancealing his variant bash

 

[LipSmack]

I am sorry your capabilities are so limited. Must be rough being you.

Seriously though if you are sick of him repeating himself over and over, then why engage him? Your simply perpetuating the problem

Exactly, when someone quotes me I take it as they want to engage me, so I reply

 

[batfan08]

No I would not, because I don't consider a chin an actors portrait, I see your point but it doesn't hold up.

And HT is paying all of their legally obligated to to the rightful owners

How does it not hold up? It's not just a chin, though; it's the bottom half of Weller's face. Just because you don't consider it a portrait, that doesn't mean it isn't based on that actor. They used the image of his chin and mouth, in several different expressions, without his permission. Also, saying that you won't respond hardly makes my point invalid.

 

[karamazov80]

I am sorry your capabilities are so limited. Must be rough being you.

Yes, and I also regret not having your penchant for witty, sophisticated comebacks.

I think a better debate would be the HT Predator Billy figure. With a minimal repaint for the hair and alcohol to remove the face paint, one can get a good likeness of the actor who portrayed the character in the movie. Why else would they opted to give the fig Blonde hair and a cameo face - both of which the actor didn't wear in Predator.

Hot Toys has been creative with licensing requirements from the get-go. The older Alien and Predator figures were "kits" rather than already put together figures to get around the fact that they didn't hold action figure rights. Regarding likenesses, the nude bodies with heads of known actors/characters (and military characters, which produced a nice Biehn sculpt, Ed Norton, Kurt Russel, etc.). Considering that, it's pretty clear that Hot Toys doesn't care very much for issues of likeness rights from an "ethical" standpoint. Sideshow has done similar things with some of their Joes. But license holders are fine with it apparently, so it suffices to avoid legal prosecution. However, the actors clearly aren't getting cuts, and may not approve, but neither HT nor the licensors seem to care.

 

[LipSmack]

How does it not hold up? It's not just a chin, though; it's the bottom half of Weller's face. Just because you don't consider it a portrait, that doesn't mean it isn't based on that actor. They used the image of his chin and mouth, in several different expressions, without his permission. Also, saying that you won't respond hardly makes my point invalid.

It's is part of the robot cop likeness, which hot toys has paid the licenses for to the studio who owns the rights for robot cop, I don't know what else I can add, I just don't seethat as Weller's likeness, I see robocop

 

[batfan08]

No I would not, because I don't consider a chin an actors portrait, I see your point but it doesn't hold up.

And HT is paying all of their legally obligated to to the rightful owners

Suffice it to say, I'll indulge you. Let's say that it's August of 2014 and Robocop has been out for a few months. Someone gets an idea: they're going to use the faceplates as a base for an unmasked head. They sculpt the top of the head, and it's a dead-on likeness. It's now clear that the lower half of the head was based on Weller's likeness, without his permission, what do you think of Hot Toys, now?

 

[Doom Saber]

How does it not hold up? It's not just a chin, though; it's the bottom half of Weller's face. Just because you don't consider it a portrait, that doesn't mean it isn't based on that actor. They used the image of his chin and mouth, in several different expressions, without his permission. Also, saying that you won't respond hardly makes my point invalid.

I find it pointless to argue with someone who uses straw man arguments regardless of how apparent the chin and lips are based on Waller's likeness. Wasn't it last year that HT used celebrity faces without permission for their TT figures? I suspect that a few of the TT heads were cancelled figures that HT still had the actors' license at the time - the TT with the likeness of the actor who played Gambit and the TT with the likeness of the guy who played Rhodes in IM 1.

 

[karamazov80]

I don't know if they were canceled figures, so much as an attempt to get more sales for folks to kitbash supporting characters that didn't warrant their own figures. But you could be right about that. They definitely did the Prison Break guys again because the company/sculptors weren't happy with the stock sculpts in hindsight.

 

[barryo]

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[pixletwin]

Didn't Michael Keaton withhold his likeness for Batman?

 

[Doom Saber]

Yes, and I also regret not having your penchant for witty, sophisticated comebacks.


Hot Toys has been creative with licensing requirements from the get-go. The older Alien and Predator figures were "kits" rather than already put together figures to get around the fact that they didn't hold action figure rights. Regarding likenesses, the nude bodies with heads of known actors/characters (and military characters, which produced a nice Biehn sculpt, Ed Norton, Kurt Russel, etc.). Considering that, it's pretty clear that Hot Toys doesn't care very much for issues of likeness rights from an "ethical" standpoint. Sideshow has done similar things with some of their Joes. But license holders are fine with it apparently, so it suffices to avoid legal prosecution. However, the actors clearly aren't getting cuts, and may not approve, but neither HT nor the licensors seem to care.

I remember the AVP kits. I didn't that was the reason why they were made into kits.
Hot Toys also did a bootlegged George Lucas fig when they were known as a high end military toy company.

 

[karamazov80]

Bootleg Neo from Matrix, as well. That stuff helped them to get their foot in the door.

 

[batfan08]

Didn't Michael Keaton withhold his likeness for Batman?

Apparently not. Since HT aren't Fire Figures, I don't think they'd have the cajones to use his name without his permission.

Hot Toys ¨C DX09 - Batman: 1/6th scale Batman Collectible Figure

Specification:

~ DX Series ~

The 1/6th scale Batman Collectible Figure specially features:
- Authentic and detailed fully realized likeness of Michael Keaton as Batman in the Batman (1989) movie
- Approximately 30 cm tall
- Newly developed Batman body with 30 points of articulation
- Newly developed head sculpt with three (3) interchangeable faces capturing the classic Batman facial expressions
- Parallel Eyeball Rolling System (PERS) patented by Hot Toys Limited
- Seven (7) pieces of interchangeable gloved palms including:
،ِ One (1) pair of relaxed palms
،ِ One (1) pair of fists
،ِ One (1) right palm for holding grapple gun
،ِ One (1) right palm for holding remote
،ِ One (1) left open palm
- Each piece of head sculpt is specially hand-painted

Costume:

،ِ One (1) Bat-suit with cape and Batman logo on chest
،ِ One (1) utility belt
،ِ One (1) pair of black boots


Accessories:

- One (1) extendable gauntlet
- One (1) batarang
- One (1) remote
- Light-up figure stand with Batman nameplate, the movie logo and the DX series title

Weapons:

- One (1) set of grapple gun
- One (1) gauntlet
- Three (3) smoke capsules
- One (1) timer bomb
- Two (2) Ninja wheels

Artists:
- Head & Body Sculpted by Pan
- Head Painted by JC.HONG
- Head Art Directed by Kojun & GOX (Eom Jea Sung)

**Product shown is not final, pending licensor approval
**Battery not included for figure stand, 3A batteries (3 pieces) are required

Release date: Q1 2012

 

[LipSmack]

Suffice it to say, I'll indulge you. Let's say that it's August of 2014 and Robocop has been out for a few months. Someone gets an idea: they're going to use the faceplates as a base for an unmasked head. They sculpt the top of the head, and it's a dead-on likeness. It's now clear that the lower half of the head was based on Weller's likeness, without his permission, what do you think of Hot Toys, now?

Ok Weller took the job to play Robocop in a movie, he doesn't have anyrights to that character. There is likely stipulation from the studio that he gets to keep the likeness rights to his lips, you need to look at robocop and Murphy as two separate set of owner ship (hope that makes sense)

And I'll add that Michael biehn (who my best friend drove away comic convention) said that he personally gets no say when it comes to licensed products from terminator and aliens because he signed them away, I don't know Weller's situation but there are actors who simply have no rights to their likenesses

 

[pixletwin]

Apparently not. Since HT aren't Fire Figures, I don't think they'd have the cajones to use his name without his permission.

Doh! How could I have possibly missed that? : lol

 

[batfan08]

Ok Weller took the job to play Robocop in a movie, he doesn't have anyrights to that character. There is likely stipulation from the studio that he gets to keep the likeness rights to his lips, you need to look at robocop and Murphy as two separate set of owner ship (hope that makes sense)

And I'll add that Michael biehn (who my best friend drove away comic convention) said that he personally gets no say when it comes to licensed products from terminator and aliens because he signed them away, I don't know Weller's situation but there are actors who simply have no rights to their likenesses

Clint Eastwood took the job to play Blondie. Is he not entitled to his likeness rights if Hot Toys gets the TG, TB, & TU license? If he played the Lone Ranger, would that suddenly make it alright to not bother considering him because the top of his head was covered? If Hot Toys was allowed to use Weller's likeness for Robo, why not just say so?

 

[csi]

Robocop was also a TV series for awhile and I have been looking at pics from that series and maybe I don't have that discerning an eye, but I can't really tell the difference between the TV version and the movie version.