Penn state and Joe pa thead.

[user 1190]

Re: College Football 2011 thread

By the way ink, usually you tOSU fans love the PSU scandal on other sites because it takes the focus off your disgraced former coach (the most recent one), the 'coed health problems' of your current coach, and the probable Reggie Bush type scandal waiting to break lose with Terrelle "everybody murders" Pryor.

If I were a "troll" and not a legit football fan who can deal with a disturbing COLLEGE FOOTBALL issue, I doubt I would have those fun facts about O-H-I-O floating in my mind.

Google is wonderful tool.

 

[user 1190]

Re: College Football 2011 thread

You and ink are not attempting to debate. Everyone else has at least responded to some substantive point on this issue, even mfoga. But not you two, you have offered nothing but personal attacks and anger at very mention of the subject.

I'll try harder to make only personal attacks.

 

[barryo]

in before the lock-er-room??.............

 

[Star Puffs]

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Is it denial or is it the fact we live in a country where we prosecute via television and social media now, where we're no longer innocent until proven guilty? Everything you have is hearsay and pure conjecture. Build a case and take the Paterno estate to civil court if you're right. Until then what do you have? Conspiracy.

Well like OMG I like read on twitter you know that this Sandusky guy was like totally convicted or whatever for touching those kids you know.

In the 2002 incident, Sandusky was convicted on three of four counts as I recall.

An email is a piece of evidence. Unless it is fake, something not even the Paterno family claims, then it is a record of the administrators' conversation at the time, not "hearsay" - that is a word with actual meaning by the way, not just something you can throw out for any fact that upsets you.

And challenging me to take the Paternos to court? WTF? That would be pretty funny if you were not serious. Really that is so infantile it defies a coherent response. Mazel tov.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

Re: College Football 2011 thread

You and ink are not attempting to debate. Everyone else has at least responded to some substantive point on this issue, even mfoga. But not you two, you have offered nothing but personal attacks and anger at very mention of the subject.

So what is it that you're looking for? Acknowledgement, perhaps a pat on the back? This was my post from last fall.....

Let's just say for one second you're right about the horseplay, you don't think it's his job to know what really happened? Has Paterno insulated himself to such a point where it's football...football 24/7?

If he didn't know, he should have known. It's his job to know! It's called "Lack of Institutional Control." Paterno is Penn State. He has more power there than anyone else including the AD and the President.

Don't give me that, "he didn't touch the kids" bit. Someone who doesn't follow up on the matter, which allows the abuse to go on and on is just as guilty as the original perpetrator.

Defend Paterno all you want, this is going to get worse. This will go down as the most shameful story in collegiate sports history.

You'll find most of us (not all) agreed with your sentiments last November when this was going down.

Here's the bottom line. Sandusky has been convicted, the president and AD are going on trial, the NCAA is looking into it and Paterno is dead with a tarnished image. And things will get worse with the leaked emails from the CNN story.

So no, I'm not avoiding the subject matter. This is the college football thread and we would like to talk about football. We're asking if you want to bring up the Penn State scandal, do so on another thread. One has been created for you.

As far as my off topic remarks (banjos), you'll find that all threads go off topic with sarcasm, jokes and lame humor. That's just how this board works.

If you're offended by this, may I suggest there are other boards that may be a better fit for you.

 

[wofford29]

Re: College Football 2011 thread

Starpoofs we're talking about Paterno and now you're cherry picking something I said to apply to Sandusky evidence? And you really believe I'm being serious with taking Paterno's estate to court. I have no doubt about that. You don't have an arguement, you can't prove anything about Paterno, so what's left now? Your a conspiracy theorist or your trolling, your pick.

 

[Star Puffs]

Re: College Football 2011 thread

I'll try harder to make only personal attacks.

That's the spirit. Strive for excellence. I have absolute faith in your ability to progress from partially to completely ignoring reality.

 

[Star Puffs]

Re: College Football 2011 thread

So what is it that you're looking for? Acknowledgement, perhaps a pat on the back? This was my post from last fall.....




You'll find most of us (not all) agreed with your sentiments last November when this was going down.

Here's the bottom line. Sandusky has been convicted, the president and AD are going on trial, the NCAA is looking into it and Paterno is dead with a tarnished image. And things will get worse with the leaked emails from the CNN story.

So no, I'm not avoiding the subject matter. This is the college football thread and we would like to talk about football. We're asking if you want to bring up the Penn State scandal, do so on another thread. One has been created for you.

As far as my off topic remarks (banjos), you'll find that all threads go off topic with sarcasm, jokes and lame humor. That's just how this board works.

If you're offended by this, may I suggest there are other boards that may be a better fit for you.

So next time say all that BEFORE a half dozen personal attacks and we can actually come to an understanding. This scandal is still "going down" in light of the emails revealed a mere four days ago and Sandusky barely a week behind bars. It is a top 5 story on the college football page of multiple sports sites.

If I were posting this story weeks from now when it was actually dormant (until the trial of PSU administrators), then and only then would you have a point about trolling.

You chose to initially address me by cheering for "shouting me down" with no discussion of the actual issue, including asking for a mod to ban me. Did you really expect me to just buckle and get all meek in the face of that?

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

Re: College Football 2011 thread

So next time say all that BEFORE a half dozen personal attacks and we can actually come to an understanding. This scandal is still "going down" in light of the emails revealed a mere four days ago and Sandusky barely a week behind bars. It is a top 5 story on the college football page of multiple sports sites.

If I were posting this story weeks from now when it was actually dormant (until the trial of PSU administrators), then and only then would you have a point about trolling.

You chose to initially address me by cheering for "shouting me down" with no discussion of the actual issue, including asking for a mod to ban me. Did you really expect me to just buckle and get all meek in the face of that?

First of all, get your facts straight. Where does it say in my post to ban you? Here it is....

ink, please take care of this. At the very least she needs to start a different thread.

Thank you, Six

Usually, the best way to bust someone is with the facts.

Second, I'm not going to back-peddle from shouting you down. So I'll repeat this again. Your comments on the Penn State debacle does not belong here. There's a separate thread for that now.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

geez....what did I start? To be fair I had to listen to Ivan Maisel and Beano Cook talk about Penn St for nearly 10 minutes on my ESPN radio College football podcast on Monday.

According to most Joe Paterno never used email. So unless there is some recording of Joe Paterno covering this up I don't think anyone will be able to pin this all on Joe Pa. This is prob the exact reason the Paterno family wanted to see all emails of evidence of a cover up to clear Joe's name and make sure he was not attached to the cover up.

https://espn.go.com/college-footbal...-paterno-family-wants-emails-records-released

 

[Star Puffs]

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you can't prove anything about Paterno, so what's left now? Your a conspiracy theorist or your trolling, your pick.

Right, right I am sure those email were referring to some other "Joe", not your dear departed hero. It is all a big conspiracy from haters and trolls.

That is photo is from 1999, a year after Sandusky confessed to child rape in front of a witness (not the victim) but was never prosecuted for some reason. But I am sure old JoePa never heard one word of that and Sandusky just coincidentally retired at the exact same time.

 

[wofford29]

Eureka! You've solved it. I'll alert the authorities and we can get this puppy to trial because you've found a google image to go along with your newstories you've read online that speculate on what might exist but hasn't been seen yet....

Meanwhile, back at the batcave, you've got nothing to say about the people we 100% absolutely know knew about this years in advance who we 100% absolutely know didn't stop it.

From the beginning you've made this story about Joe Paterno when it should be about the monster who's now behind bars. IF they come up with something about Joe Paterno, and IF they go to trial and he's found at fault you'll have your story. Until then keep believing it was a missile that hit the Pentagon.

And for the record I don't like Joe Paterno. In fact I despise the Big 10 in its entirety. That doesn't disolve due process though.

 

[Star Puffs]

Sigh. I already showed you do not know how to use "hearsay" correctly. Now you seem to confuse the right of the media and others to speculate with denial of "due process". Words have actual meanings, at least at the Big 10 schools you despise.

You also seem to not realise that "100% absolutely" is not the standard of evidence in court, criminal or civil. I should not even have to explain that and yet that is where you lead this conversation.

Further you are fixated on me on a personal level as if I am the only person in America making noise about Joe Paterno's role. That just makes you look a bit nuts frankly.

For someone who allegedly did not "like Joe Paterno" you seem inordinately passionate about defending his legacy and rejecting the evidence that suggests his role in shielding a child rapist. Does that make him as bad as Sandusky? Of course, not. Does that make him a monster of a different variety? Absolutely.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

hope that sick ******* gets serial molested before dying later from blunt force in the "shower"

anyone who knew about this and didnt take care of it is guilty in some fashion

according to spanier after discussing it w/ joe covering it up seemed like "a humane way to proceed" wtf

 

[wofford29]

Sigh. I already showed you do not know how to use "hearsay" correctly. Now you seem to confuse the right of the media and others to speculate with denial of "due process". Words have actual meanings, at least at the Big 10 schools you despise.

You also seem to not realise that "100% absolutely" is not the standard of evidence in court, criminal or civil. I should not even have to explain that and yet that is where you lead this conversation.

Further you are fixated on me on a personal level as if I am the only person in America making noise about Joe Paterno's role. That just makes you look a bit nuts frankly.

For someone who allegedly did not "like Joe Paterno" you seem inordinately passionate about defending his legacy and rejecting the evidence that suggests his role in shielding a child rapist. Does that make him as bad as Sandusky? Of course, not. Does that make him a monster of a different variety? Absolutely.

You've shown nothing to me or anyone else about anything other than you can copy and paste a link or search for a google image. It's pretty evident you define hearsay differently than what it is because I've not misused it once and it's exactly what you're doing. Here's a refresher for you since you're spending your google time looking for images...
Hearsay is unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge.

You need to get over yourself if you think I'm fixated on you from a personal level. This is a conversation and you're the only one taking this stance. You know what that means? My responses will be addressed to you.

I'm not surprised you've confused my defending someones rights for defending the individual. If Joe Paterno is found guilty there absolutely should be consequences, but you know what he shouldn't be right now? Prosecuted by conspiracy theorists. I'll hold your hand and skip through the wildflowers if justice is served to those it's deserved in this debacle. "Justice" being the operative word.

 

[Shropt]

So much positivity in this thread. Locked.