Prometheus Sequel (ALIEN: Covenant)

[GasparZizou]

Personally I feel burned out in general. Wake me up when they announce a "Superman 2000" Movie or "Invincible Iron Man" Saga.

Isn't ASS what Superman 2000 ended up becoming?

After chappie and elysium maybe this is a blessing

Elysium is alright tho, the thing with it is that it's more of the same as District 9 but it isn't bad. Sharlto Copley is based in it.

 

[jye4ever]

I liked it when his face was blown off lol

 

[Victοr]

Isn't ASS what Superman 2000 ended up becoming?

Probably. But I was reading up on it today (had it saved for a while now, but only today gave it a proper read), and it sounded pretty darn good. It's almost pushed me to go through with that Iron Man thing I was talking about. I'm not sure I like this hyper-intelligent Lex though:

We see Luthor playing chess with twenty grandmasters simultaneously while reading untranslated Il Principe and teaching himself Urdu via a Walkman he made for himself in five minutes back in 1962. Luthor is so smart we don't even have a WORD for what he is yet; calling him a genius is as insulting as calling him an imbecile.

 

[GasparZizou]

Probably. But I was reading up on it today (had it saved for a while now, but only today gave it a proper read), and it sounded pretty darn good. It's almost pushed me to go through with that Iron Man thing I was talking about. I'm not sure I like this hyper-intelligent Lex though:

We see Luthor playing chess with twenty grandmasters simultaneously while reading untranslated Il Principe and teaching himself Urdu via a Walkman he made for himself in five minutes back in 1962. Luthor is so smart we don't even have a WORD for what he is yet; calling him a genius is as insulting as calling him an imbecile.

Yeah I read it, it was a cool take and it's one of those things that doesn't happen and the influences go to somewhere else, like most of it went to ASS.

And I distinctly remember the Luthor teaching himself Urdu bit in a regular canon book but I can't pinpoint it right now, I think it was at the beginning of n52 action comics, that one was also written by Morrison so it could be that one.

I like super-intelligent Luthor, that's really the only way he can compete with Supes.

 

[Victοr]

Yeah I read it, it was a cool take and it's one of those things that doesn't happen and the influences go to somewhere else, like most of it went to ASS.

And I distinctly remember the Luthor teaching himself Urdu bit in a regular canon book but I can't pinpoint it right now, I think it was at the beginning of n52 action comics, that one was also written by Morrison so it could be that one.

I like super-intelligent Luthor, that's really the only way he can compete with Supes.

Dunno, I never liked such hyper-intelligence in a normal human. It's why I can't stand Mr. Terrific (what was it, 15 doctorates by 20?) and similar characters. Reed can stretch his brain and become infinitely smarter for example, which is the reason why I never had a problem with, and was also okay with Doom being 2nd (not to mention he has the "touched by demons" excuse). Another example is Tony who, before genius = super-genius in every field, was just a brilliant engineer. Then he got the Extremis upgrade and really became a powerhouse.

Generally, I don't mind super-geniuses, but if you're gonna go all "eiditic memory", dong 5 tasks at the same and whatnot, you better start off lower and build up to that with some sort of upgrade. Make them essentially gods, and the character loses something. Just look at Riri and Moon Girl.

If it were up to me, Luthor would be a super-genius, but it'd take some Kryptonite-Related experiments for him to truly reach the level where he plays 20 chess games, writes a paper, buys stocks, etc, etc, all at the same time.

Also, I long for the day when writers are gonna wake up and say "our characters have trillions, and have an IQ of 500, but people still live in dumps" and go for at least a Mass Effect or OT Star Trek-esque level of architecture/design/culture.

 

[uscmhicks]

Spoiler

Oh well. Probably for the best though really.

I watched Alien 3 yesterday for the first time in a while and the religious elements are quite interesting now when taking Prometheus and the whole 'engineers are our gods idea' into consideration. The one crazy guy who frees the Alien from the locked chamber seems to think the Alien is his god or something crazy lol.

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[GasparZizou]

Dunno, I never liked such hyper-intelligence in a normal human. It's why I can't stand Mr. Terrific (what was it, 15 doctorates by 20?) and similar characters. Reed can stretch his brain and become infinitely smarter for example, which is the reason why I never had a problem with, and was also okay with Doom being 2nd (not to mention he has the "touched by demons" excuse). Another example is Tony who, before genius = super-genius in every field, was just a brilliant engineer. Then he got the Extremis upgrade and really became a powerhouse.

Generally, I don't mind super-geniuses, but if you're gonna go all "eiditic memory", dong 5 tasks at the same and whatnot, you better start off lower and build up to that with some sort of upgrade. Make them essentially gods, and the character loses something. Just look at Riri and Moon Girl.

If it were up to me, Luthor would be a super-genius, but it'd take some Kryptonite-Related experiments for him to truly reach the level where he plays 20 chess games, writes a paper, buys stocks, etc, etc, all at the same time.

Also, I long for the day when writers are gonna wake up and say "our characters have trillions, and have an IQ of 500, but people still live in dumps" and go for at least a Mass Effect or OT Star Trek-esque level of architecture/design/culture.

Dude you're arguing for realism, pedestrian realism shouldn't be a constraint in comics, even if you stretch your brain you still don't gain extra mass, if you do then it's not a good excuse nor realistic and it's really no different than a normal human being having super-intelligence, Super intelligent Luthor isn't really any sillier than Mr Fantastic, same goes for Black Panther, comics are not made to be rationalized in such pedestrian ways, that's what normies do, it's like trying to take Vedic mythology literally, make no mistake, that doesn't mean they're unjustifiable.

And they're not gods, they're still far from it, Luthor encounters things way out of his scope often, this is in terms of comicbook world of course, Riri and that other one are different though, they just came out of nowhere with a retcon bomb and that's just dumb.

Sure Luthor is super smart but he still got a knowledge overload when he took the 24 hour super serum.

I don't like the idea that it'd take a freak accident for Luthor to be super-smart.

You have a point about poverty, I'd say there's always gonna be poverty no matter what you do, but, I also always saw Metropolis more as a golden city, a superadvanced city with art deco archytecture and cure for cancer and such.

 

[Victοr]

Dude you're arguing for realism, pedestrian realism shouldn't be a constraint in comics, even if you stretch your brain you still don't gain extra mass, if you do then it's not a good excuse nor realistic and it's really no different than a normal human being having super-intelligence, Super intelligent Luthor isn't really any sillier than Mr Fantastic, same goes for Black Panther, comics are not made to be rationalized in such pedestrian ways, that's what normies do, it's like trying to take Vedic mythology literally, make no mistake, that doesn't mean they're unjustifiable.

And they're not gods, they're still far from it, Luthor encounters things way out of his scope often, this is in terms of comicbook world of course, Riri and that other one are different though, they just came out of nowhere with a retcon bomb and that's just dumb.

Sure Luthor is super smart but he still got a knowledge overload when he took the 24 hour super serum.

I don't like the idea that it'd take a freak accident for Luthor to be super-smart.

You have a point about poverty, I'd say there's always gonna be poverty no matter what you do, but, I also always saw Metropolis more as a golden city, a superadvanced city with art deco archytecture and cure for cancer and such.

I'm not saying the Reed thing isn't silly, but at least it has some "comic book logic". Dunno, it might be that I've grown too attached to these characters, that seeing them perform such intellectual feats makes me feel like a braindead failure.

In hindsight making Luthor's super-intelligence a result of an experiment might be a stupid idea. It's just that this whole "everything at once" seems a bit too far fetched. Not "time machine out of an orange juice carton", but still. Maybe do the chess and book thing, and drop the Urdu part. IMHO anyway.

 

[GasparZizou]

I'm not saying the Reed thing isn't silly, but at least it has some "comic book logic". Dunno, it might be that I've grown too attached to these characters, that seeing them perform such intellectual feats makes me feel like a braindead failure.

In hindsight making Luthor's super-intelligence a result of an experiment might be a stupid idea. It's just that this whole "everything at once" seems a bit too far fetched. Not "time machine out of an orange juice carton", but still. Maybe do the chess and book thing, and drop the Urdu part. IMHO anyway.

Yeah I think it's just a matter of showcasing such intelligent with little drops and with taste, not make gaudy statements.

Yeah Luthor having a freak accident to gain powers pretty much goes against the character.

 

[theuzi9mm]

No, Noomi is nothing like Lisbeth is described in the books, everything about her is wrong, Rooney not only is dead-on Lisbeth Salander, her performance is better as well.

As for the remake, it is one of those very rare occasions in which the American remake is the better movie, in every single way, the cinematography, the script, the acting, the actors, the direction, something it didn't happen with the other Swedish-American remake; Let Me In, in which its Swedish counterpart is better.

I never read the books to compare, only saw the trilogy and the american remake movie. I guess I just don't like Rooney (she way too thin even for me and I like thin chicks!) which probably soured my enjoyment bit, coupled with the fact that nearly 2yrs out the movie was remade for 'americans' which I just thought was silly as I didn't have a problem watching the swedish version

**** blocker Scott:

Ridley Scott has shot down hopes of Neill Blomkamp's Alien movie ever seeing the light of day, suggesting the project is essentially dead.

In an interview with Allocine (translation via AVP Galaxy), when Scott was asked about the possibility of Alien 5 still coming to fruition, he told the outlet that he thinks the project "will never see the light."

He went on to note that "there was never a scenario, just an idea that evolved into a pitch of ten pages." Scott said he was involved as a producer, but the project "did not go any further because the Fox decided that [it] did not want to do it."


In October 2015, Blomkamp—whose directorial credits include District 9, Chappie and Elysium—announced the film was put on hold for the time being and that he was moving on to other projects.


Meanwhile, Scott recently said he has plans to make four more Alien movies following the release of Alien: Covenant, which opens in theaters on May 19.

well he just wants it to be HIM make it HIS franchise, can't say I blame him for wanting to be 'the man' for the franchise but I hope he does it back on track. Considering from what I heard about the Bloomkamp story, it sounded like it would have been kinda a disaster. Well Sigourney is free to have her Avatar sequels delayed and delayed not having to use that as an excuse to bump this down the line. Pretty much nailed the coffin for me that 'Alien' is just the first 3 films, with Resurrection and the AVP's being more fan service ones than canon I suppose.

Wonder if the script will ever get leaked (from wht was drafted)

 

[GasparZizou]

I never read the books to compare, only saw the trilogy and the american remake movie. I guess I just don't like Rooney (she way too thin even for me and I like thin chicks!) which probably soured my enjoyment bit, coupled with the fact that nearly 2yrs out the movie was remade for 'americans' which I just thought was silly as I didn't have a problem watching the swedish version

Neither of the versions is a verbatim book to movie translation, but it is part of Lisbeth's character that she looks like a scrawny teenager and that she's so think she can barely oppose any physical threat, also, she performs as she actually has problems to relate and conduct herself around other people, which is also an important part of her character.

Noomi came across as an angry feminist in both performance and look, which I guess isn't bad as its own thing given the themes of the franchise, but I think Rooney gave the character the vulnerability that was missing and goes better with the character, among other things, and I like her urban ninja look better too.

I'm generally wary of American remakes, like anybody else and with good reason, goes without saying. But when I saw the talent involved in it, mainly the director, I gave it a chance and I wasn't disappointed.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Fincher's Dragon is a masterpiece. I'm so disappointed they are not doing another.

 

[GasparZizou]

Fincher's Dragon is a masterpiece. I'm so disappointed they are not doing another.

They are, but I just found out it won't feature Fincher, Craig..... nor Mara.

****!

It's the director of Don't Breathe, and he'll be casting someone else

 

[punisher1974]

They are, but I just found out it won't feature Fincher, Craig..... nor Mara.

****!

It's the director of Don't Breathe, and he'll be casting someone else

well that sucks. wont be nearly as good then. I love fincher's version. cast was great too

 

[Wor-Gar]

They are, but I just found out it won't feature Fincher, Craig..... nor Mara.

****!

It's the director of Don't Breathe, and he'll be casting someone else

Well I knew that, that's why I said I was disappointed "they" weren't doing another. Rooney's best role ever; she's been my imaginary girlfriend ever since. I'm sure she was crushed when cranky old Fincher walked away.

 

[GasparZizou]

The worst thing is that she was campaigning for it, she's said she wanted to do it.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The worst thing is that she was campaigning for it, she's said she wanted to do it.

Yep, well, I'm sure she realizes that is the best role she's likely to have for a very long time if not ever. Complex and exotic characters like that don't come around very often.

I wish the producers would rethink what they're doing. Getting a stronger director could possibly get Rooney back despite Fincher. It will never be 'haunting' without Fincher, but perhaps a new director -- a good one -- could make a satisfying sequel in a different flavor. Perhaps higher tension and faster pace to feel different. I don't know the previous books/movies but this new one has to do with fire, right? I love the fire imagery possibilities that could heat things up. If only it could remain Craig and Mara. Is Craig's character even the major lead in the 2nd book/movie? I got the feeling she was done with him and, like Bond, would meet a new leading man in the sequel.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah as soon as I saw who's directing the new one I was underwhelmed.

The fire thing has to do with Lisbeth's childhood, not so much as a theme of the story.

IiRC Craig's character is smaller in the 2nd book but he's around a lot, the book focuses more on Lisbeth than the first one, but Mikael actively participates in the plot.

She isn't done with him, their relationship develops throughout the 3 books.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'm staying away from the Noomi movies so things aren't spoiled but now maybe it doesn't matter.

The fire bit is how Lisbeth killed her father, right? Still think a "fire" motif would be excellent given the cold winter of the first film.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yes that's... Correct.

Well, if the second remake sucks, we'll only have Noomi's movies.

I still hold out hope for Rooney coming on board