Hands down, 100% ST Luke. Such a terrible direction for the character to take in Ep.8 IMO.
PT Anakin v ST Luke
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Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. That's the only way to become what you were meant to be.
Too far George.
Just imagine the kids that were killed last after first witnessing however many heads and limbs being sliced off of their friends as Anakin made his way to them. What the hell was George thinking, lol.
''I know there is good in him''.
For what it's ****ing worth after he did something like that.
Would anyone look for the 'good' in the guy who carried out the Sandy Hook massacre? Anyone who even tried would themselves be viewed with suspicion. Sorry for bringing that up but just to illustrate how implausible Vader's later ''redemption'' became post-ROTS.
I know that standing by and watching an entire inhabited planet get destroyed aint exactly admirable but Lucas took it to another level in having him personally slaughter kids - there's no blurring the cruelty with that.
For what it's ****ing worth after he did something like that.
Would anyone look for the 'good' in the guy who carried out the Sandy Hook massacre? Anyone who even tried would themselves be viewed with suspicion. Sorry for bringing that up but just to illustrate how implausible Vader's later ''redemption'' became post-ROTS.
I know that standing by and watching an entire inhabited planet get destroyed aint exactly admirable but Lucas took it to another level in having him personally slaughter kids - there's no blurring the cruelty with that.
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The only way that scene could have been anything but utterly tasteless would have been if one of George's own kids had been murdered and he was working out his demons on screen. Like James O'Barr writing The Crow as a response to his fiance being killed by a drunk driver or even George's own heart-ripping/divorce anguish being written into TOD. But to just throw a literal school massacre at the hands of a major protagonist into a SW film just as an arbitrary plot point? It boggles the mind.
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Even Sidious thought it was too much!!
See video here
If I may be ever the apologist, everything Vader does toward the end of ROTS is against his will - he feels he has no choice if he's going to save Padme.
"I will do whatever you ask - just help me save Padme's life. I can't live without her."
Remember he looks upset as he's about to slaughter the younglings. He cries after slaying the Separatists. And he remains conflicted right up until ROTJ.
See video here
If I may be ever the apologist, everything Vader does toward the end of ROTS is against his will - he feels he has no choice if he's going to save Padme.
"I will do whatever you ask - just help me save Padme's life. I can't live without her."
Remember he looks upset as he's about to slaughter the younglings. He cries after slaying the Separatists. And he remains conflicted right up until ROTJ.
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Prequel Anakin should have been a near mirror image to OT Luke. I thought that was the whole point to Luke managing to not give into his hate. In the last moment he resisted turning into his father... You can't compare the characters of ROTJ Luke and Anakin though, even at the bye-bye Mace Windu stage. Anakin has all of Luke's worst characteristics amped up, and none of his redeeming ones..
''A lot of young potential jedi ended up on the cutting room floor''
What a choice of words.As for your devil's advocate perspective, you are respectful as ever, however, I just don't think I can buy it. The 'actually doing it' cannot be sufficiently counterbalanced by him crying as he does so.
For starters I wouldn't have even had such young jedi - it's one of the really questionable things about the Jedi as an organisation in the PT that they're taking in kids and forcing them to be jedi and all the self-deprivation that seems to entail. So by not having any child Jedi you don't have this situation in the first place where they have to be killed.
I know there was that line Yoda says in ESB - 'he is too old, yes, too old to begin the training' - if there was any line of OT dialogue that I was gonna turn into complete bull**** - as Lucas ended up doing with so much of what Obi-wan said - I would have done it with that line - where it could just be assumed that Yoda was going back into the wacky muppets character just to see what further response he'd get from Luke.
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Yes, it's a contentious point, but I think they were usually recruited so young they didn't know any different - they hadn't formed attachments etc. Not sure if that makes it any better?
Nope. Total indoctrination. Get 'em before they're even capable of making a decision.
"This youngling that Anakin sliced up has no attachments!"
"You can say that again."
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Not even Jabbas sail barge fight? He was pretty badass there.., js.
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''I know there is good in him''.
For what it's ****ing worth after he did something like that.
Would anyone look for the 'good' in the guy who carried out the Sandy Hook massacre? Anyone who even tried would themselves be viewed with suspicion. Sorry for bringing that up but just to illustrate how implausible Vader's later ''redemption'' became post-ROTS.
I know that standing by and watching an entire inhabited planet get destroyed aint exactly admirable but Lucas took it to another level in having him personally slaughter kids - there's no blurring the cruelty with that.
''A lot of young potential jedi ended up on the cutting room floor''
As for your devil's advocate perspective, you are respectful as ever, however, I just don't think I can buy it. The 'actually doing it' cannot be sufficiently counterbalanced by him crying as he does so.
For starters I wouldn't have even had such young jedi - it's one of the really questionable things about the Jedi as an organisation in the PT that they're taking in kids and forcing them to be jedi and all the self-deprivation that seems to entail. So by not having any child Jedi you don't have this situation in the first place where they have to be killed.
I know there was that line Yoda says in ESB - 'he is too old, yes, too old to begin the training' - if there was any line of OT dialogue that I was gonna turn into complete bull**** - as Lucas ended up doing with so much of what Obi-wan said - I would have done it with that line - where it could just be assumed that Yoda was going back into the wacky muppets character just to see what further response he'd get from Luke.
Yeah, while I've never been able to get my head around enough of the PT to say "that particular point doesn't make sense" (to me the vast majority of the PT made no sense at all) that whole idea of good in a guy who killed all the kids is pretty weird. And the term "younglings" really should have not made it onscreen.
And since the beginning of the ST, it seems the "other side" has been doing the start 'em young thing too - child kidnapping for the purposes of First Order troops played a role in TFA (Finn) and supposedly plays a major role in TROS. Never liked the idea because few regular/national armies in the world (versus militias and terrorist groups I mean) have had to resort to child kidnapping as the source of soldiers.
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