Quantum Of Solace

[CelticPredator]

Eh. Rape happens. It brings tension. I havent seen the film, so I cant comment.

 

[The Mike]

It was just how the scene played out.

Spoiler

It happened so fast. First I though Mathis was dead, then Bond seems to use him as a shield. Then turns out Mathis was alive, though only for a few more minutes. Then there's the part about his name.

Though some things still are unclear to me (from CR). When Bond and Vesper are having dinner, he thinks Mathis told Le Chiffre about the bluffing? Then Le Chiffre goes on to say that Mathis is 'his' friend. So was that just Le Chiffre messing with Bond?

Spoiler

Le Chiffre was being honest. Remember "M" was willing to let him go after Vesper was found out and Bond said "Just because Vesper is guilty doesn't mean that Mathis is innocent. They allowed him "retire" because he was "innocent" isolated in a villa with just his lady companion to keep him company. The whole incident was to make the audience question if Mathis really was with Le Chiffre or not. Remember Mi-6 has no clue about anything going on with the "organization" this was another sign of that, that Mathis was dirty but even Mi-6 couldn't figure it out onoce Le Chiffre was dead. It also is why Bond went to him when "M" locked him out. Desperate times call for desperate measures and being in bed with a known traitor was the last straw. Ironic that the company that Mathis was helping in turn through their connections and establishments betrayed Mathis as well.

I went to the QoS Wiki page to see if I could find any answers on my other questions.

Spoiler

Vesper's former lover, Yusef, is a member of Quantum who specializes in seducing high-ranking women who have valuable connections, to get them to give up government assets as ransom for himself in fake kidnappings where he is supposedly held hostage. He is attempting to do the same with Canadian agent Corinne Venneau. But Bond tells Corinne about Vesper...

Was that explained in the movie and I just forgot? Though while thinking about the scene I did come to that conclusion.

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This required one to have paid close attention to the end of Casino Royale. Vesper's lover Yusef got Vesper to give up secrets because of their relationship. He was in the process of doing the same to the Canadian government through Corinne. That is why Bond told her to tell the Canadian Government to check their rosters for a mole....indicating that Corinne was the mole. Also the showing of the necklace was supposed to be a glaring indication that a gift that was supposed to be an individual gift given only in love was used as another ploy to get in and to show how her emotions were used against her as she as well as Vesper took Yusef's feelings for genuine and didn't realize they were being used. Once they had what the needed and wanted to place a scapegoat out they "abducted" Yusef as a blackmailing tool even though he was working for them the entire time. When they realized he was found out, the wanted to keep their mole and planted a dead body. So that his current work with Corinne wouldn't be compromised. Corinne thanked Bond before leaving because he was giving her a chance to leave and not be implicated because he was giving her the ability to realize her mistake and move on. It was another sign of his forgiveness of Vesper because he didn't want to continue to demonize Vesper's past and her mistake.

Now, a Mr. White quote.

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"You know, if she hadn't killed herself, we would've had you too." What exactly did he mean by that?

He was saying that he believed that Bond was so in love with Vesper and would do anything for her that he would even turn on his own country to make sure that he stayed with her. It was another fold in the same idea with Yusef. That the women were so in love with Yusef that they turned on their own country and that Bond would do the same. Its an interesting twist to this own organization that they used psychological means to get their agents and counterparts instead of just promises of money and power. They are appealing to both sides of the brain map.

Can we change this to a Spoilers thread so we can quit with the tags already?

 

[jungle jom]

I still think Craig makes a great Bond... But this movie was just a mess. I really wanted to like it and came out of the theater thinking it wasn't so bad.

The more I thought about it, the more I came to realize how weak it was.

Every action sequence save the the part with the planes were badly directed and edited. I had to strain to follow what was happening. At times I couldn't tell who was Bond.

Also I like my Bond films to have a proper ending with loose ends tied up. I want a self contained movie rather than a serial. I don't want to wait years to see what happens.

And would it kill the filmmakers to put the Bond theme somewhere in the body of the film rather than in the credits?

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike it because it's a new take on the Bond character. I loved "Casino Royal". It was well done.

This latest was just an exercise in poor filmmaking.

 

[Krypto]

People need to stop complaining about the editing. It wasn't that bad and I'm a person that dislikes the kind of frantic hand-held style. The editing itself was more fluid and organic than in other films that employ similar techniques. And it only takes place in the action sequences, which I'm fine with. Bourne Ultimatum gave me a headache because the entire film was shot hand-held like the cameraman was purposely shaking it to make it more "intense". I saw the film again and the camerawork didn't bother me at all the second time. Also, I think I may like the film more than Casino Royale.

 

[Krypto]

That's the one. Something about brutalizing a woman, then throwing her on a bed in an attempt to have sex with her while she is screaming and crying doesn't seem very PG-13 to me no matter whether there was penetration or not.

So wait, a woman nearly being raped is inappropriate for a PG-13 release, but not Bond violently killing several people isn't? Hmm...

 

[Rugby1970]

I was really disappointed as well. I typically dig the hand held, frenetic cutting style but it is really difficult to pull off. I was very confused by this movie. I could have sworn M was shot during the interrogation... I give up trying to fallow the action after a while. The Bond girl was not a strong actress, the South American dictator was also a weak actor.

I was just bored throughout. I never really cared or understood what was happening. Quantum was supposed to be a scary, super secret organization but they ended up not being scary or threatening at all. Felix's subplot was never fully explored either.

In Casino Royal, you really felt each death... it meant something for Bond to kill. I actually love the idea of Bond becoming a killing machine but it just got too easy for him.

In the end, too many things I was interested in occurred off camera.

Craig is possibly the best Bond and maybe this movie suffered because Casino was so good. It really set the bar high and this fell far far short.

Really disappointed but cannot wait to see the next one. I want to see Craig in another great Bond movie.

 

[Giant Chicken]

Liked it... didn't love it.

I too thought that the film was all over the place. As a lot of the critics have noted it seemed that they were making a Bourne movie and not a Bond.

I know this is suppose to be the begining of the Bond story so I will let QoS slide. I just hope the closing shot of the movie was a sign of the Bond to come... it just sucks that we will have to wait another couple of years to see him.

 

[Kabukiman]

So wait, a woman nearly being raped is inappropriate for a PG-13 release, but not Bond violently killing several people isn't? Hmm...

Violence is something a young person can wrap their head around pretty easily. Same with sex. Violence + Sex = something children shouldn't be exposed to, imo.

 

[CelticPredator]

Nevermind.....

 

[uscmhicks]

Liked it... didn't love it.

Ditto. Although I was expecting another Casino Royal and to me it was completely different. I think I will like it better the second tme round.
Craig is my fave bond.

The theme was terrible. I thought when I walked in ( a tiny bit late ) it was an advert for a car or something. Then I realised and though wtf is this song.

 

[CelticPredator]

Casino Royale was too perfect. No Bond movie can top it. Atleast not for a while.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

It was really good, but I wouldn't go that far. Even QoS topped it for me.

 

[CelticPredator]

No. Its perfect.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

Just my opinion. I even know people that flat out didn't like it.

 

[CelticPredator]

Those people suck. Makes me want to weep blood.

 

[cerealkeller]

Saw it tonight. Liked it A LOT. Great revenge flick and Daniel Craig I can safely say is my ideal version of Bond.
Also can't understand what everyones talking about with the editing. I followed it fine, but I also followed the action in Batman Begins just fine. So I asked my girlfriend if she thought the action was hard to follow and she didn't think so either.
Can't wait now to see the story continue in the next one.

 

[CelticPredator]

I hated the BB action...but everything else was just so good, I couldnt care less.

 

[cerealkeller]

Loved the action in BB, but I do understand the folks that don't. For my tastes, you don't always need to see everything that happens to understand what's going on. Otherwise it looks too choreographed. Like Ducard said "This is not a dance!". Back on QoS, Craig is just so brutal and baddass. I think I have a man-crush on him. The kind of guy you wish you could be, then you realize "oh yeah, I'd rather sit on my ass and play video games, watch movies and collect dolls".

 

[CelticPredator]

I do. I cant stand that quickeditingcrapthatmakesthingslookalljumbledtogeatherandhardtofollow.


Sometimes it works...but most of the time....(this is why I dont watch the Bourn films).

 

[a-dev]

Started to watch an early pirate of this but the quality was pretty awful so I stopped and to date haven't seen the film but tell me - did my eyes deceive me or did this film go straight from studio logos into a car chase - entirely skipping the customary and IMO essential Bond gunsight intro? Seriously I know they want to take bond in bold new directions but why call it bond if you're going to strip away everything people expect of a bond film? Same with the lack of bond theme until the end credits (as someone else pointed out here) - I thought the idea of CR (which I loved) was to 'establish' bond at the end of which the bond theme really kicked in, signifying that bond was back.