Rank your favorite ALIEN.

[a-dev]

Ash "raping" Ripley with said porn mag (since he probably has no genitals, had to resort to rolling up a mag)

Imagine the papercuts!

I always thought the scene where she's talking to Dillon and she says the alien is waiting for them in the basement (or somesuch), and he says "there's no basement here" and she responds with a laugh... Just plain weird.

I think she was talking to '85' there. She says shes going to go look for the alien in the basement and he says "this whole place is a basement". I think any laughing she did was her attempt to find any humour at all her s**tty situation.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

Imagine the papercuts!

I think she was talking to '85' there. She says shes going to go look for the alien in the basement and he says "this whole place is a basement". I think any laughing she did was her attempt to find any humour at all her s**tty situation.

Thanks for the refresher, a-dev. I haven't seen it (or any of them) in a while. I'm due for another viewing. I figured it was like you said an attempt for her to find humour, but it just played out so...weird.

 

[Mongoleone]

Either way, it definitely did something to her as it must have stripped her. If you didnt see it, it was when Ripley goes back and finds Parker on the floor and Lambert's naked legs are seen dangling, covered in blood. Plus Ripley's reaction seems quite horrified.

Just watched the DC again. I always thought that those were Parker's legs and he'd been torn in half by the alien which was why Ripply looked so horified, but pausing the movie, they definitley look feminine. Also, this may have been mentioned but I didn't see it, the commentary says that when the tail goes between the legs that's actually Brett's legs from when he was attacked and they used the shot here instead. Lambert was supposedly supposed to die of fright but they never filmed it. Scott also says she may have been violated by the alien but doesn't confirm it so I think that idea came to them in the editing room as a more gruesome possible ending to Lambert.

I think it's safe to say you can view that scene and interpret it however you like, which is what makes movies like this more interesting than when a scientist comes out and explains everything to the audience. My2Cents anyways

 

[abake]

A3 has a lot of fantastic dialogue and iconic scenes, it's a brilliant movie. Flawed, but brilliant.

The scene where Ripley is going to be raped and the skinhead dude puts the goggles on is just so brutal, but also so perfectly filmed it's truly disturbing.
Dillon's requiem for Newt is beautiful:
"She won't ever know the hardship and grief for those of us left behind. We commit these bodies to the void with a glad heart. For within each seed, there is a promise of a flower, and within each death, no matter how small, there's always a new life. A new beginning. Amen."

Or Ripley talking to the alien down in the basement:
"You've been in my life so long, I can't remember anything else."

Great stuff.

 

[Rook]

The only good alien is a dead alien.

Seriously, though, each has its good points and bad. I loved that roar coming from the Resurrection aliens. Dragon-like. Scary.

The dog/cow alien was amazing because it moved so damned quickly!

Crap. I don't know. I can't choose.

 

[FLOSI]

WTF am I voting on here? Film or Alien or both? Anyway, Alien would be the best for both creature and film but I honestly will stop to watch Aliens every single time it's on because the pacing is far faster, it being a Sci-Fi/Action flick v. Alien being a Sci-Fi/Horror/Thriller.

 

[Mongoleone]

Yeah, I think 3 easily has the best acting and some great dialogue but I just can't ever enjoy the movie as a whole. And if you haven't already read about the direction the movie was originally gonna take, do so. Crazy bizzare. Makes you wonder if it would have been better though.

 

[FLOSI]

Yeah, I think 3 easily has the best acting and some great dialogue but I just can't ever enjoy the movie as a whole. And if you haven't already read about the direction the movie was originally gonna take, do so. Crazy bizzare. Makes you wonder if it would have been better though.

Do you have a link to that info?

 

[Mongoleone]

Down in the "Writing" section:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_3

and a little more in-deapth:

impossiblefunky.com/archives/issue_12/12_alien3.asp?IshNum=12&Headline=The%20Metamorphoses%20of%20Alien%20III

 

[Mad Old Lu]

Yep, crazy ideas. Fincher did the best he could with what was given to him. So I can't blame him for the movie's shortcomings.

I remember I was actually excited to hear Fincher was going to direct, having already been a fan of his music videos.

 

[Russell1982]

I also think it's the idea that the space jockeys brought the destruction on themselves. I figure:

Spoiler

the one space jockey was trying to get all the eggs as far away from his planet as possible, but one ended up getting him. Or he knew he was infected and was going on a suicide mission to get the eggs away. That'll be how the prequel movie(s) ends.

As far as Lambert, I see her "rape" as just being metaphoric. I think the Alien simply ripped through her with his tail up between her legs. Still a horrible way to go, and leaving it up to the audience to fill in the gaps. And there are sexual themes throughout the first movie very subtlely done, which is another reason why I love it so much. There's "Mother", the computer room that looks like a womb, Ash's porn stash in his room (even though he's an android), Ash "raping" Ripley with said porn mag (since he probably has no genitals, had to resort to rolling up a mag), the designs (obviously), etc... There is so much subtext and layers of ideas there. It's more than just a bad ass movie.

And not to be a stickler, but the special effects in Alien3 were not CGI. They were a little dog alien puppet that was bluescreened into the scenes. It was all old-school composite effects. I agree the running alien effects didn't look as good as they were probably hoping they would. They even tried putting an alien suit on a little dog! SOOOO CUTE! But I did love the design and mood of the whole movie. There were a few weird dialog moments for sure. I always thought the scene where she's talking to Dillon and she says the alien is waiting for them in the basement (or somesuch), and he says "there's no basement here" and she responds with a laugh... Just plain weird.

Doesnt she laugh and say "it was a metaphor"? Like a-dev said, i think it was a sort of little hopeless laugh at the whole situation she was in.

 

[abake]

Down in the "Writing" section:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_3

and a little more in-deapth:

impossiblefunky.com/archives/issue_12/12_alien3.asp?IshNum=12&Headline=The%20Metamorphoses%20of%20Alien%20III

Thanks for the links, while nothing new, still interesting reads.
Been reading the Mike White essay, and it's kinda funny how he beeotches about the spelling and grammar of one of the script writers, yet his piece is full of mistakes...
He's also quite the Aliens fanboy, isn't he? Let's just say I disagree with most everything he criticizes about Alien and quite a lot of what he criticizes about Alien 3.

 

[Mongoleone]

Yeah, his spelling capabilities don't have much deapth... oops.

 

[Hex]

I'm surprised Kenner never made a Prince Alien and a Princess Alien.

I could see that.

 

[Zabrak Nut]

Certainly none of the subsequent films intended to give this kind of impression. I guess thats part of why some people resent Cameron for turning the alien into a 'reasonably clever' giant alien bug. The way Abake described is altogether more freaky and disturbing.

There is a sexual theme to all of the movies, honestly.

People have been arguing that the ALIEN was sadistic in how it wanted to delve into Lambert w/ it's tail and possibly get a closer look; I agree it was heavily implied.
I guess I'm pretty used to this discussion in Alien forums, but what I don't agree on is that the other creatures didn't exhibit that same cruelty.

The DOG ALIEN mauling the preacher was pretty brutal, it was just SO pissed off.
But, having just watched ALIENS again the other day, I have to ask - in WHAT way is the Alien Queen NOT sadistic? I mean, we start off w/ Ripley trying to compromise and get out of the hive, calling it even. She made it very clear she had the power of fire on her side, but the Queen wasn't going to let her go that easily. It didn't have to end the way it did.
Bishop's death was fairly brutal - it was deliberate and spiteful. & The Queen going after Newt, lifting up the grates and chasing this pitiful little girl just to get back at them or what not. I'd hate to see what she would have done to her
Thankfully Ripley is a bada$$

 

[Zabrak Nut]

LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!

 

[Solidus]

There is a sexual theme to all of the movies, honestly.

People have been arguing that the ALIEN was sadistic in how it wanted to delve into Lambert w/ it's tail and possibly get a closer look; I agree it was heavily implied.
I guess I'm pretty used to this discussion in Alien forums, but what I don't agree on is that the other creatures didn't exhibit that same cruelty.

The DOG ALIEN mauling the preacher was pretty brutal, it was just SO pissed off.
But, having just watched ALIENS again the other day, I have to ask - in WHAT way is the Alien Queen NOT sadistic? I mean, we start off w/ Ripley trying to compromise and get out of the hive, calling it even. She made it very clear she had the power of fire on her side, but the Queen wasn't going to let her go that easily. It didn't have to end the way it did.
Bishop's death was fairly brutal - it was deliberate and spiteful. & The Queen going after Newt, lifting up the grates and chasing this pitiful little girl just to get back at them or what not. I'd hate to see what she would have done to her
Thankfully Ripley is a bada$$

Aliens have to die!

 

[Reaktwon]

Good read. Can't wait for the movie.

 

[Hex]

I'm really looking forward to the new film after reading all that. I have really high hopes for this film.

 

[Reaktwon]

Me too! Sounds like they are going to change how the Alien has traditionally looked. Not sure exactly what that means but it sounds interesting.