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I don't think you're getting any closer, if you can understand why the phone thing is not a paradox, it should be easier to understand why she made that decision. You're still trying to argue against her decision without wondering why she made that decision to begin with

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RATE THREAD......not discussion thread!!!!
 
Kong: Skull Island - 8.5/10

Best monster film I've seen for some time. The fights were amazing and Kong is such a beast.

I hope NECA make a 1/6 Kong, I'd prefer a 1/4 scale but it would be too big.
 
It's not a spoiler, you still don't know what happened, I was careful with how I phrased it.

Tell me if this info is right.

She is always watching her daughter be born, watching the aliens fly away, and suffering through the “memory” of her daughter’s death.
This is explicitly depicted in the film when Louise uses different events throughout her life to affect other occurrences, regardless of their non-sequential order. We repeatedly witness Louise interact with events in the future and the present by being simultaneously aware of both. By talking with Ian in 2016 Montana about zero sum games, she is able to help her daughter Hannah with her homework in the future. And again, with perhaps the whole future of humanity (and the heptapods 3,000 years hence) at stake, she is able to discuss with the high Chinese General Shang the details of their fateful phone call from 18 months ago… while simultaneously having that conversation at gunpoint in Montana.


Villeneuve’s film (and the Chiang story it is based on) suggests free will and choice exists if one chooses to do nothing. Time is not immutable, hence why the aliens’ presence on Earth is still high stakes for them. Presumably heptapods have long lifespans if they can perceive events 3,000 years from now, but humanity will only save them if we as a species work together right now to learn what Louise’s future book coins as “The Universal Language.”

As the ending clarifies, Louise has a choice to allow events to occur as she currently perceives them… or to not let them happen in this way, sparing her the pain of losing a daughter she already deeply loves by denying that kid a chance to even exist. As fittingly revealed out of sequence, Louise asks Ian at the end of the film that if he could see the whole story of his life, would he allow events to transpire exactly as they do? He responds with a wishy-washy answer about how he isn't sure right now. But we already know from a previous memory of the future that Louise and Ian's marriage ends because she tells him too early about what she knows. As Louise vaguely explains with paternal love to Hannah, she told Ian about the choice she made, and he thought she chose wrong.
For Ian, watching Hannah die from an incurable disease made their whole marriage, and the whole story of their shared live, unendurable. However, as with most matters in regard to bringing life into this world, it was the woman’s choice. Louise’s choice. She chose to allow Hannah to be born, and as a result, she exercised her free will by enjoying her life story’s organic telling.

I understand that. Is that still missing what you are talking about?
 
Thinking about Arrival, it almost seems kind of basic, on the surface.
"T'is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved, at all." I do think it was a little cruel, in the sense that the film basically used Ian's character as a surrogate for Louise and Hannah's mother/daughter relationship, without really considering how it would impact him. I don't know. It's complicated. I get the idea of time being non-linear, and her being able to experience these things while knowing how everything will turn out, but it's hard for me to look past her own humanity. All that love and happiness she has for her daughter, is it only manufactured?

In a sense, it's kind of like she made a deal with the devil. She gets her happy life, but she also gets to know it's going to crumble, and she gets to know how and when it will crumble, so, I guess what I'm asking is: why? How does one reconcile the smell of their infant's head with the stench of death that they know will follow as their daughter grows, and withers away, and dies? Or is it because of that non-linear perception of time that she is able to handle it? Because she knows she's experienced all of that love before and that, in effect, she'll get to experience it, infinitely, even though, in our time, it's only 15-18 years, if it is as paradoxical as it seems?
 
Carnage Park - 3/10

Kong: Skull Island 5/10

Hacksaw Ridge - 7.3/10

Deadline Auto Theft - 6/10

The Room - 6/10

She (1984) - 2/10

The Junkman - 6/10
 
Snowden - 7/10 - Good movie. I remember reading about him, but I didn't know all the details.

The spying on 30 million people is not part of my job scene in The Dark Knight was probably a reference to the Snowden situation. I had no idea :lol
 
Hulk where monsters dwell on netflix this month a Doc Strange /Hulk crossover a quick fun one give a 6.

 
Skyfall 10/10. Took me a long while to get around to this. Well worth it. One of the best -- if not the best -- Bond movies ever made. Certainly the best cinematography in a Bond movie. Felt like an old fashioned Bond movie with a couple of modern set pieces ... especially with the brilliant set design on the underground MI6, the post-apocalyptic island, and the Skyfall climax. Just enough classic mixed in with the modern to make it feel like Ian Fleming had his hand in it ... rather than just another action movie with James Bond in it.

Just brilliant.

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