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It really nice for old manga fans that they get to have such nice figures like these though, being that they're black and white, and only get a few pages of color. I was trying to find a colored Manga picture of Majin Vegeta, so I could post here, but the images I found weren't colored well. That changes February 4! Although they only announced the Saiyan Saga and part of the Namek saga. Hopefully, they finish it!
 
It could still work, the newer ssj hair on Gohan and Trunks dont actually have that much shading on them; if you made ssj2 Gokus hair like that it would fit the manga and sdcc versions.
 
It really nice for old manga fans that they get to have such nice figures like these though, being that they're black and white, and only get a few pages of color. I was trying to find a colored Manga picture of Majin Vegeta, so I could post here, but the images I found weren't colored well. That changes February 4! Although they only announced the Saiyan Saga and part of the Namek saga. Hopefully, they finish it!

What's special about february 4th?
 
Of course goku is Japanese in the anime or at least his culture it was drawn/made by Japanese . If you were Mexican and made this character (goku ) the show/character would have some of the Mexican culture in it . But the fact is goku doesn't look Asian . Maybe western or whatever but
Not Asian or Japanese . Some of the characters in the show have those small Japanese/Asian eyes but not goku or vegeta or Bulma etc. krillin looks Japanese ,yajorobi , chiathzu looks japanese . Not goku even though he's Japanese or raised Japanese in the show, by his dad who found him as a baby saiyan . (Again it was created by Japanese ) .
 
And it's fantasy guys it's not really about Asian , white African , Mexican it's about what actor looks like goku or any of the DBZ characters the best . There talking dogs in the show! C'mon and aliens and buu and androids and dragons etc .
 
But the fact is goku doesn't look Asian.
Did you not read the following post I made?:

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Nothing about this guy looks white, his skin tone has a undertone of yellow/beige, caucasians have a pink undertone. We already know that Toriyama meant Goku to be Asian, so based on that alone he should be Asian. But if we must analyze his appearance, then ok.

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Black hair - most commonly associated with Asians
Straight thin hairs - most commonly associated with Asians
Puffy lower eyelid - most commonly associated with Asians
Thick eyebrows that tapper towards the center of the face - most commonly associated with Japanese
Angular or "V" shaped jaw line - most commonly associated with Japanese and Koren's
High cheekbones that protrude forward - most commonly associated with Japanese
Smaller lips - most commonly associated with Japanese
Light skin shade with a undertone of yellow/beige - most commonly associated with Japanese
Black/very dark brown eyes - most commonly associated with Asians
Ears...do I really have to say? Let's just consider how much our western comics emphasize ears, then compare that to DBZ.

If anything Toriyama caricaturized features that a majority of people associate with Asians and Japanese specifically. Anyone who studies facial anatomy would see these things easy.

This is what made the SSj transformation so odd looking, their skin changes white (with a pink undertone) and their hair changes color and texture, effectively turning them into white Asians.

To understand this, you must understand the social significance of skin color in Asian countries (not different races, but different tones of the same race)
People who had to farm for a living became tan from all that sun time, while the wealthy got shade (no tan). This began the association of light skin signifying 'superior' as rulers started coloring their faces white (this is why Frieza is all white, he's emulating those feudal lords)

A transformation into SSj wouldn't hold any visual significance if Goku already looked white (since Japan holds white skin in such high esteem, their fiction would reflect that).

If you don't recognize his explicit Japanese appearance after reading that, then you are in denial.
 
I have not seen a single westerner with Goku's facial bone structure, but I have seen 100s of Asians with that face structure.

The fact that you suggested Henry Cavill shows that you need to study face anatomy before making cast wish lists, I said before that Henry resembles Captain Ginyu (come to think of it, he looks a little like Bojack) more than he does Goku, since Henry doesn't have any of the Asian features that Goku has.

Toriyama draws his characters to look Japanese, the only characters that look western are guys like Ginyu, Recoome, Bojack, #16, and that blue hell dude Goku met after falling from snake way.
 
For reasons I cannot begin to fathom, Westerners tend to ignore face shapes and bone structure because a character has "light skin" and furthermore disregard the varying tones of light skin.

This image is what DBZ looks like to American audiences
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Great artwork, but every character got white washed to look like John McClain/Terminator/Rambo.

See the difference, Toriyama's art doesn't look like that. IF it did, then I could understand the debate. Compare this to the manga art, and you CLEARLY see just how Japanese Goku really appears.
 
coming from someone who has drawn and photoshopped for years. Goku does NOT look Asian nor white. He is drawn like every other damn anime character. First off black hair is not mostly Asians. Nor is black straight hair, if anything natives have that better then Asians as some Asians have curly hair while a 99% of natives have straight black hair. Also Asians have round pudgy noses, egg shaped heads for the most part. The point is that you guys are failing to realize that this is an a anime character.... IT is a form of drawing. Anime is not based on any race its a style. of large eyes small noses and mouths and pointy jaw lines. You can say what ever you want but if Toriyama wanted them to look Asian he would have he definitely has the capacity and skill to have done so.Just look at street fighter they capture everyone's ethnicity well. What I am trying to say is that there is no race behind dbz...ITS AN ANIME they all look the same. The boond docks... too black kids with the same facial features as goku... they are definitely not supposed to be Japanese. That's a perfect example those features everyone has listed are features that belong to the anime style not a race...Another perfect example cowboy bebop, or full metal alchemist(Europeans) same facial features as dbz. So please drop the whole race thing and I hope I didn't offend anyone but this is getting old. You might prefer an Asian actor that's fine but that doesn't give you the right to bash someone who prefers a white or Hispanic one. If they would ever re attempt a live dbz movie they need someone who can pull off his personality perfect and that looks similar race does not matter.
 
anyways.... TAMASHI played with my heart yet again. That awesome Mario cube and they show the yellow ranger, but that was just a trick look at what was posted today!!!
START FLIPPING TABLES !!!

 
Oh I got one! Being that Android 18 is coming out, what's your favorite moment with her? Mine is when she fights Vegeta and breaks his arm! He's such a pain through that arc, that any time he got his butt kicked, it made me happy! Another favorite is when she shoots the landscape open, because she's frustrated with Android 17's off-road driving! I love their characters!
 
So please drop the whole race thing and I hope I didn't offend anyone but this is getting old. You might prefer an Asian actor that's fine but that doesn't give you the right to bash someone who prefers a white or Hispanic one
I already said, this isn't about preference. It's about what the illustrator envisioned. There nothing ambiguous about it, Toriyama clearly said that he wanted a Japanese actor to play Goku, that's not my preference it's just a fact that the creator of the character wanted a Japanese actor.

What right to they have to bash the creative vision of the author of the fiction we're discussing?

I'm not trying to bash people, but people seem to think that their opinions hold more value than the creator of the franchise, and I must defend the the creative vision that spawned Goku.

(because if I don't who will, I won't let another DB de-evolution happen again)
 
Of course toriyama would want him to be Japanese. The show is Japanese, the style is Japanese, the creator is Japanese, the language is Japanese. He would obviously want him to be Japanese, and not because goku looks Japanese, but because it would be a disgrace to him and all Japanese to have some white guy playing goku. Japanese are very prideful of their culture and im sure toriyama doesn't care one bit about the western opinion. That's why we get figures that Japanese people want even though we keep the market alive.Its like having superman being played by juan the Hispanic next door. ITs kind of insulting, because you got this all American heroe being played by juan who is 5""6 and looks nothing like superman. Now cartoons are harder to judge because they are all not drawn the same but I hope you get my point. In my opinion I would rather have an actor who looks like goku then lets say raizo from ninja assassin.Like I said this isn't to bash you its just I think you are incorrect in my opinion.

Also if this movie were to work they would need to have some sick cgi for the hair and such which might be a huge problem, make up and costumes inst going to cut it. they need to have cgi like man of steel did but through out the entire movie.
 
Japanese are very prideful of their culture and im sure toriyama doesn't care one bit about the western opinion
I understand your point now, about that aspect of it.

As for the rest, we would have to agree to disagree about what race his art style most resembles. You mentioned Boondocks earlier, but I think that supports my point more when you look at how they draw eyebrows, along with the specific contours they use to shape the eyes, an nose. Although we can all agree that they went for a anime look, I think they intentionally altered some key aspects of typical anime art that makes the characters ethnicity more clear.

I say since Goku doesn't look like Bojack, or #16, then also doesn't look caucasian since those characters resemble caucasians.
 
I understand your point now, about that aspect of it.

As for the rest, we would have to agree to disagree about what race his art style most resembles. You mentioned Boondocks earlier, but I think that supports my point more when you look at how they draw eyebrows, along with the specific contours they use to shape the eyes, an nose. Although we can all agree that they went for a anime look, I think they intentionally altered some key aspects of typical anime art that makes the characters ethnicity more clear.

I say since Goku doesn't look like Bojack, or #16, then also doesn't look caucasian since those characters resemble caucasians.


I agree lol. !6 does resemble Caucasians because of his box chins. As for 16 I would of loved Arnold to play him :(
 
Perfect opportunity to change topics.
With #18 confirmed, and possible 17 (since he was mentioned by name in Tamashii's 18 post), is there a realistic hope for #16 or is his size too much.

slightly related note, I found this cool artist depiction of 16
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I know a lot of people didn't care for Boo's look, I like it, but you got to admit a realistic depiction would be really creepy:


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