S.H. Figuarts Star Wars

[prodigy1367]

This sounds a bit apologetic, SHF Maul is already way better than any 1/6, and there are several American toy lines, like the NECA Preds that are also better than any 1/6, which is even more impressive considering the price.

Hell you can see repaints of the Mezco BVS Supes that show his sculpt is better than the hot toys. So scale shouldn't be an excuse anymore, especially when it's digital sculpting and they can shrink at will. Even old DC Direct figures of Alex Ross have a spot on likeness at 7" and those were hand sculpted.

I don't buy that "good for a 1/12" anymore.

Point is; If there's a figure that has better likeness in the same scale, then you really can't use the scale as a scapegoat.

I get where you're coming from but I still feel people are overly critical and expectations are a bit too much for a figure this size. Scale has to be taken into consideration as it affects the price and level of detail. It's not simply shrinking down and while there are small figures that have turned out better than their larger counterparts, it's typically not the case. With a larger figure it's much easier to sculpt and paint and therefore get greater detail. It's kind of like when you have a large computer image that's high resolution but upon shrinking it gets worse. It may not be the perfect analogy but you get my point.

The nitpicking is a little too much and while I'm all for pointing out flaws in a figure with intentions of making the company producing it aware, it goes a bit overboard sometimes. People can have their opinions obviously but the constant crapping on Figuarts seems to be rampant here sometimes. We've never had such level of detail in such small figures let alone with the level of articulation and quality that Tamashii gives us and comparing to BS without mentioning things like accessories and expression is unfair. That's where the Figuarts kick their ass each and every time


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[GasparZizou]

I don't consider scale a hindrance unless it's something truly impossible or that hasn't been done before, for intance, I don't expect mixed media 3.75" figures to have good clothing, let alone realistic, but I do with 1/12 figure becaus l have already seen high quality realistic clothing in 3A figs, same goes for likeness, I've seen 6" figures with perfect likeness so I think it's very reasonable that those sorts of coplaints are within the scope of the scale.

I think it's a figure by figure basis, the amount of heat a SW thread gets, if SHF makes a better figure, the crapping happens in the BS thread, and viceversa I gave so much **** to hasbro in that thread when SHF Maul dropped.

 

[tinlunlau]

I don't consider scale a hindrance unless it's something truly impossible or that hasn't been done before, for intance, I don't expect mixed media 3.75" figures to have good clothing, let alone realistic, but I do with 1/12 figure becaus l have already seen high quality realistic clothing in 3A figs, same goes for likeness, I've seen 6" figures with perfect likeness so I think it's very reasonable that those sorts of coplaints are within the scope of the scale.

I think it's a figure by figure basis, the amount of heat a SW thread gets, if SHF makes a better figure, the crapping happens in the BS thread, and viceversa [emoji38] I gave so much **** to hasbro in that thread when SHF Maul dropped.

I gave Hasbro **** right in front of their faces. It was awesome.

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[Big Deano]

Honestly I just feel lately that every release is being scrutinised to death and every angle compared just so folk can feel better persuading themselves that they can make do with the cheaper option. Just my opinion, but it's getting hard to enjoy coming here since there's very little positivity about the line for no reason whatsoever.

We should be comparing base figures, as there's not many of us who can paint such small details. A hand painted figuarts would blow a hand painted BS out the water, but I have yet to hear that comparison.

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[Luminous]

Honestly I just feel lately that every release is being scrutinised to death and every angle compared just so folk can feel better persuading themselves that they can make do with the cheaper option. Just my opinion, but it's getting hard to enjoy coming here since there's very little positivity about the line for no reason whatsoever.

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See, I don't understand this. I've seen a lot more praise for the SHF Chewie than I have seen criticism. Even the criticism hasn't exactly been "harsh". I would actually say it's been mostly tactful (minus the amusing teabagging pose posted recently ). Despite some Chewie critics (I'm not a fan either), the general discussion here has been in favor of SHF figs. Even if there is some criticism, people should understand that opinions will vary and that not everyone is going to agree on everything.

 

[GasparZizou]

Honestly I just feel lately that every release is being scrutinised to death and every angle compared just so folk can feel better persuading themselves that they can make do with the cheaper option.

You could easily say that people don't want to accept that a cheap $20 figure is better than their $60 choice, thus will deny its obvious disadvantages out of buyer's remorse.

And honestly, that's the case more often than not, I'm not one to complain over prices and I usually buy multiples, some of the peolpe who've complained I know that do the same, like DiFabio.

But when a $20 figure is better than a $60, the price is gonna pop up in the discussion.

 

[Big Deano]

It's not better though, that's the point. Han wasn't and Chewie certainly isn't. Being slightly small isn't an excuse to then go with a soft plastic shiny mess, which lets be honest here, he is.

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[prodigy1367]

Can the BS have an expression other than having his mouth open yelling? Can it do intricate dynamic poses? Can it have various hand movements to give more life to recreate scenes? It's a cheap figure and its price tag reflects it. Good BS figures tend to go up in price but this Chewie remains on the low end because that's what it is. I just don't see how anyone can honestly say that the BS is even on the same level as the Figuarts. Opinions are opinions but at a certain point, the arguments fall short.

The BS is too tall for the best Han figure in this scale (Figuarts) and it's cheaper looking and not as detailed as the Figuarts. The fact that it needs a repaint to be on the same level says enough. Out of the box, one is clearly more superior. This is a forum though and people can have their opinions I guess but I still say "really"? I just don't get it [emoji849]


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[Rogerbee]

Am I the only one with no shipping notice from MyKombini? Paid 2 weeks ago for my day 1 preorder. They sold more on eBay on release day too and now OOS on site. No response from support.

Interesting you should say that, I bought a 1/12 AT-ST model kit from their eBay store on the 14 April, eBay show that it was dispatched on the 20th, but, I didn't get an email to say it had or a tracking no. With previous purchases from them I have had both. With economy shipping, the kit should be here some time next week, but, with no tracking I have no way of knowing. I'll only contact them if it gets to this time next week and it hasn't arrived.

 

[Luminous]

Can the BS have an expression other than having his mouth open yelling? Can it do intricate dynamic poses? Can it have various hand movements to give more life to recreate scenes? It's a cheap figure and its price tag reflects it. Good BS figures tend to go up in price but this Chewie remains on the low end because that's what it is. I just don't see how anyone can honestly say that the BS is even on the same level as the Figuarts. Opinions are opinions but at a certain point, the arguments fall short.

The BS is too tall for the best Han figure in this scale (Figuarts) and it's cheaper looking and not as detailed as the Figuarts. The fact that it needs a repaint to be on the same level says enough. Out of the box, one is clearly more superior. This is a forum though and people can have their opinions I guess but I still say "really"? I just don't get it [emoji849]


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All valid pros of the SHF figure. However, for some (myself included) none of that outweighs the cons. For some scale is far more important. For some an obscene amount of visible joints isn't at all appealing. So for $15 someone can at the very least have a decent representation of the character next to their other figures until something better comes along. The same pragmatic logic simply cannot be applied to a $70 figure. So the only way someone can sensibly justify the SHF is if they absolutely love every aspect of it. The simple truth is that the SHF may be "superior" in some respects it certainly isn't in every way. Something that even fans of the SHF have admitted.

 

[prodigy1367]

All valid pros of the SHF figure. However, for some (myself included) none of that outweighs the cons. For some scale is far more important. For some an obscene amount of visible joints isn't at all appealing. So for $15 someone can at the very least have a decent representation of the character next to their other figures until something better comes along. The same pragmatic logic simply cannot be applied to a $70 figure. So the only way someone can sensibly justify the SHF is if they absolutely love every aspect of it. The simple truth is that the SHF may be "superior" in some respects it certainly isn't in every way. Something that even fans of the SHF have admitted.

Scale is very important trust me. If he was too small or too tall I wouldn't get him. BS isn't perfect scale either. The Figuart could be slightly taller but the BS is way too tall. I believe someone posted a while back showing that the Figuart is pretty good scale. Even in terms of scale, the Figuart takes the cake and I do admit that Tamashii has always had scaling issues even with other lines like Dragon Ball for instance.


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[12parsecs]

It's not even just scale and materials, but aesthetics. The BS Chewbacca head is pretty ugly IMO. The figuarts head/face look very natural and accurate to the spirit of the character. I just hope they didn't drop the ball on my preorder.

Personally I don't mind some wonkiness and enjoy "toy" qualities to figures, but I prefer it in 3.75" scale. Really looking forward to the return of Vintage Collection next year. I just don't have room for IMO large poor quality chunks of plastic. That said Hasbros new 6" Vader is pretty great as far as that line is concerned. I also don't mind having many Vaders.

Last thing that has always bugged me is people quoting prices on import figures when comparing them to Hasbro. For example Chewbacca cost me 47 including shipping with SAL when preordered. They're Japanese figures so you have to shop around and PREORDER and use the cheapest shipping if you want to compare price. Most figuarts I have purchased have been 38-48 shipped. Don't get me started on paying scalper prices for BS figures...

 

[Eddranger]

Ugh Anakin sold out on Toyzinthebox. I guess that's another figure that will hit Ebay and go for $140

 

[Ted Knight's Ghost]

Both black series Chewbacca's have better sculpts and are more aesthetically pleasing (better proportions, height, hidden joints, faces that actually look like Chewie).
The thing that sucks about the black series Chewbacca figures are the paint apps. The Force Awakens Chewbacca would make for a perfect OT if it wasn't in an orange-y brown plastic.

The opposite is true of this SH figuarts. It has superior paint apps and a nice tone to the fur, but the sculpt, height and all those joints are awful. I don't see how people here can like those ugly knees, crotch, elbows, and that ****ing seam on the head where the face detaches, especially when SH figuarts have done a great job of hiding joint and features on their figures (see Darth Maul where his joints blend in with the costume, or Luke's hidden knees and perfectly executed blast shield helmet).


When you factor in the price, it's not even debatable. The black series Chewbacca figures can be had at as low as $14, $15. The SH figuarts is ****ing $60. I'm sure you could find a great custom artist that could commission a nice repaint of the Bs Chewie for $30-45.



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I'd rather have a better base figure than a better painted one. The Black Seeies Chewbacca's can be enhanced and fixed up with a little paint and a nice wash. Good luck trying to fix the issues with the SH figuarts.

It's almost like people have different opinions and like other things than you.

Everything you said is subjective, you act like it can't be debated, it can, has and will. You think Black Series is better, good for you. Guess what? Others think Figuarts is better. One thing that can't be debated however is the superior joints on the Figuarts and build quality over all.

Enjoy your Black Series and the repainting. I have both figures so I'm good too.

 

[paintpot]

It's like the hot toys collectors who always seem to find issues in damn near perfect sculpts and blow them out of proportion to "the whole sculpt looks NOTHING like him!" levels. Strangely enough when a mediocre custom sculpt comes around it can never get enough praise for its likeness.

Just looking at pictures shf Chewie is clearly the best figure, and it does actually look more like the character than the rather fluffy hot toys version. The colour is spot on, as is the proportions. The joints are just a byproduct of the figuarts design

 

[Ted Knight's Ghost]

This sounds a bit apologetic, SHF Maul is already way better than any 1/6, and there are several American toy lines, like the NECA Preds that are also better than any 1/6, which is even more impressive considering the price.

Hell you can see repaints of the Mezco BVS Supes that show his sculpt is better than the hot toys. So scale shouldn't be an excuse anymore, especially when it's digital sculpting and they can shrink at will. Even old DC Direct figures of Alex Ross have a spot on likeness at 7" and those were hand sculpted.

I don't buy that "good for a 1/12" anymore.

Point is; If there's a figure that has better likeness in the same scale, then you really can't use the scale as a scapegoat.

Everything you write is subjective, yet you usually state it like fact. I do not agree at all that the Figuarts Darth Maul is better than the Sideshow Collectibles one nor do I even remotely agree that the Mezco Superman's head sculpt when repainted is better than the Hot Toys.

It's always funny reading your posts, you always state opinion as outright fact lol. It's hilarious.

 

[GasparZizou]

Everything you write is subjective, yet you usually state it like fact. I do not agree at all that the Figuarts Darth Maul is better than the Sideshow Collectibles one nor do I even remotely agree that the Mezco Superman's head sculpt when repainted is better than the Hot Toys.

It's always funny reading your posts, you always state opinion as outright fact lol. It's hilarious.

You're wrong.

 

[Luminous]

I just don't understand why there has to be a "winner". A lot of peeps here like the SHF. Some prefer the BS. We can't leave it at that? There some trophy on the line I'm not aware of?

 

[GasparZizou]

People are so sensitive in this thread, low tolerance to opposite opinions, no wonder why mods have to step in often.

 

[Luminous]

People are so sensitive in this thread, low tolerance to opposite opinions, no wonder why mods have to step in often.

This seems to be the heart of the problem to most debates on collectible forums. For some reason a lot of collectors take negative criticism of a product they have interest in or have purchased as a negative reflection on themselves. It's like if I got offended every time my wife was disgusted when I ate Taco Bell. We would never have gotten married.