Shia Trashes Indy IV

[BadMoon]

I just find it silly that you would hate that in a movie from a series with ____ing God Arks. GOD ARKS.

I agree about the waste of time...I still dont get the final outcome. They got nuthin out of the deal.

Guess it's just personal preference. Final outcome you ask? E.T. went home. LOL!

 

[CelticPredator]

I hope he's ____ing happy!

 

[BadMoon]

I hope he's ____ing happy!

*******s stole my speak and spell before they left.

 

[CelticPredator]

They stole my hot Russian _____ too!

 

[IrishJedi]

 

[CelticPredator]

I GIVE A ____ HARRISON. STFU. Old man!

 

[IrishJedi]

This thread:

 

[BadMoon]

This thread:

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[OSCORP]

IJ this thread is due for the Bill O'Reilly Gif

 

[Maglor]

What makes Aliens more belivable then God arks? I'd believe in Aliens way before I believed in a bearded man in the sky.

Not a question of believability.

Aliens just don't work with Indy for me. Too Sci-Fi.

Because its not about thier plausability, but rather how well they fit into the universe already created. After 3 movies and countless EU material firmly established Indy in the public's mind as a series about the search for mystical artifacts, having a movie that was so sci-fi was jarring and out of place.

It would be no different than making another Aliens movie and having it be about the search for Jesus's grave.

Well said.

 

[Khev]

. There really wasn't a point IMO. In Raiders he had to save Marion, Temple enslaved children and collect the stones, Crusade his father and also was after maybe the most desired artifact in all of history to boot. In this one it just seemed like a waste of time. Take alien skull to temple so aliens can fly home. LOL! Who cares about that?s.

I liked KOTCS but I definitely agree with you there. In all previous films Indy had a person or persons to rescue much more valuable than the artifacts themselves. In KOTCS he even put his immediate family in harm's way because the aliens "told him to." Even Spielberg and Lucas couldn't come up with a reason why!

 

[creature4000]

I thought KOTCS was crap and I agree with South Park!

 

[barbelith]

Did not the whole film revolve around aliens? So if you don't like that it's perfectly acceptable to not like the film based off of that.

I find it baffling that people would accept ghosts, magic boxes and two different religious cosmologies as simultaneously true, but have a problem with aliens (and of course they weren't even aliens). But if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you.

There really wasn't a point IMO. In Raiders he had to save Marion, Temple enslaved children and collect the stones, Crusade his father and also was after maybe the most desired artifact in all of history to boot. In this one it just seemed like a waste of time.

It sometimes feels like half the people complaining about this movie didn't even watch it. The first one was about saving Marion, the second one was about saving children, the third one was about saving his father and the final one was about saving himself. Harrison Ford plays to this, presenting us with a worn out Indy in the early scenes that some viewers then projected across the rest of the film. KOTCS is about that early scene where Indy reflects that life has stopped giving him things and started taking them away. Marion, his father, his career. He's washed up and has nothing to show for his life, especially once he's thrown out of the school. The early atomic scene is a great metaphor for this - he doesn't understand the new world he's in.

The movie is about a second chance, and about the knowledge represented by the skull. Spalko has the exact wrong idea - to her, knowledge will give her country dominion over the world. But Indy is quick enough to realize the knowledge offered by the skull is a trap; the real treasure is knowing that family is the most important thing (symbolized in the film by the way all of the aliens must be in place for the saucer to work). He lost Marion, but wins her back. He lost he son he never knew he had, and wins him back. He helps an old friend (an obvious Brody/dad surrogate) find himself. And then at the end of the film he gets married, with a kid. Instant family. Indy wins. And with that, the return of his zest, which Ford plays up in the latter part of the film.

Yeah, the CGI is terrible and there are some misjudged scenes. But on the whole it's a worthy addition to the series, and the only one to actually wind up being about Indiana Jones himself.

 

[IrishJedi]

I find it baffling that people would accept ghosts, magic boxes and two different religious cosmologies as simultaneously true, but have a problem with aliens (and of course they weren't even aliens). But if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you.

It sometimes feels like half the people complaining about this movie didn't even watch it. The first one was about saving Marion, the second one was about saving children, the third one was about saving his father and the final one was about saving himself. Harrison Ford plays to this, presenting us with a worn out Indy in the early scenes that some viewers then projected across the rest of the film. KOTCS is about that early scene where Indy reflects that life has stopped giving him things and started taking them away. Marion, his father, his career. He's washed up and has nothing to show for his life, especially once he's thrown out of the school. The early atomic scene is a great metaphor for this - he doesn't understand the new world he's in.

The movie is about a second chance, and about the knowledge represented by the skull. Spalko has the exact wrong idea - to her, knowledge will give her country dominion over the world. But Indy is quick enough to realize the knowledge offered by the skull is a trap; the real treasure is knowing that family is the most important thing (symbolized in the film by the way all of the aliens must be in place for the saucer to work). He lost Marion, but wins her back. He lost he son he never knew he had, and wins him back. He helps an old friend (an obvious Brody/dad surrogate) find himself. And then at the end of the film he gets married, with a kid. Instant family. Indy wins. And with that, the return of his zest, which Ford plays up in the latter part of the film.

Yeah, the CGI is terrible and there are some misjudged scenes. But on the whole it's a worthy addition to the series, and the only one to actually wind up being about Indiana Jones himself.

That is way too analytical for an all-out KOTCS hater to debunk with similar thought & zest. But they'll try...

 

[IrishJedi]

I'm now reminded of the people who hate A.I. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE and then when asked why, one of the first things they mention is "the aliens at the end."

Sometimes people just don't even know what they're watching. If you think there is a single alien in A.I. then you are simply too daft to get the movie and what it's about.

Sorry, semi off-topic, I know. It's just an example (with a much better movie than KOTCS). But that one in particular really makes me

 

[IrishJedi]

Back on topic (Re: Shia's comments)...

I honestly don't think it's a big deal (hence the Harrison Ford .gifs) I say he's just playing the wind and feeding off all of the hate the movie gets and throwing it under the bus. If he honestly feels that way, then good for him. But if he is trying to be "cool" by dumping on the flick then he's showing the opposite of having cajones. The easy thing to do is pile on KOTCS.

 

[The Josh]

He has all the right in the world to say whatever about a film he was in. However, I don't think he has the cred to go at say a Spielberg or Ford. KOTCS isn't a perfect flick but I sure as hell enjoyed it and every time since then. For me personally my least fav of the Indy Series is TOD.

 

[Khev]

I find it baffling that people would accept ghosts, magic boxes and two different religious cosmologies as simultaneously true,

If you buy into the Christian world presented in Raiders and TLC then TOD doesn't necessarily conflict. Mola Ram could have been serving a demonic force masquerading as a god, even to the point of receiving rudimentary "powers" from it. Not necessarily Bilblically accurate, but neither were Raiders and TLC.

The first one was about saving Marion, the second one was about saving children, the third one was about saving his father and the final one was about saving himself. Harrison Ford plays to this, presenting us with a worn out Indy in the early scenes that some viewers then projected across the rest of the film. KOTCS is about that early scene where Indy reflects that life has stopped giving him things and started taking them away. Marion, his father, his career. He's washed up and has nothing to show for his life, especially once he's thrown out of the school. The early atomic scene is a great metaphor for this - he doesn't understand the new world he's in.

The movie is about a second chance, and about the knowledge represented by the skull. Spalko has the exact wrong idea - to her, knowledge will give her country dominion over the world. But Indy is quick enough to realize the knowledge offered by the skull is a trap; the real treasure is knowing that family is the most important thing (symbolized in the film by the way all of the aliens must be in place for the saucer to work). He lost Marion, but wins her back. He lost he son he never knew he had, and wins him back. He helps an old friend (an obvious Brody/dad surrogate) find himself. And then at the end of the film he gets married, with a kid. Instant family. Indy wins. And with that, the return of his zest, which Ford plays up in the latter part of the film.

A very forgiving way to view the film, though not entirely correct, IMO. In all previous Indy adventures there would always be a point where he could profit from the movie's macguffin OR risk losing it in favor of someone else, and he always chose the people. When that point came in KOTCS he did just the opposite. With his entire family intact, he announced that the IDB's in his head were dictating that he return the skull to the temple and that he was going to obey. That is NOT the Indy of previous entries, and I can see where some would have a problem with it.

Spielberg has been quite vocal in recent years about regretting having Dreyfuss choose the alien ship instead of his family at the end of Close Encounters and the final few minutes of KOTCS really come off as a "make up" scene to counter the finale of CET3K. Yes he does choose his family and live happily ever after but unlike Dreyfuss the interdimensional ship wasn't any real temptation in the first place. It was quite clear that everyone who stuck around was going to be destroyed.

Rather than having both a wonderful family and a wonderful opportunity to explore the universe and a serious dilemma over which was greater KOTCS presented a desperate, lonely man who simply picked the one option that wouldn't end in a very immediate and burning destruction.

I get what Spielberg was trying to project, and you obviously did too in a sense, but making Indy's altruistic sacrifice a mere act of survival diminishes his journey IMO. It would have been different if the IDB's were benign or his "mind control" scene happened much earlier in the film (like in TOD), but that's not how it went and definitely left something to be desired.

It was still a fun movie and I would even agree its a worthy addition to the series but the Indy we knew and loved definitely took a step back, IMO.

 

[IrishJedi]

THE LAST CRUSADE also took a step back.

 

[Khev]

THE LAST CRUSADE also took a step back.

The first half of the movie certainly did (especially the River Phoenix "prequel," ick!) but it really came around in its final hour.