Should the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy be rebooted?

[TheDucky]

Have it take place 10 or so years after ROTJ, recast the OT gang since they are either too old or gone now, and make them the main characters. Make Star Wars about the OT Characters again and not the mostly boring, ruined, and broken characters featured in the ST.

 

[JAWS]

I voted no.. I think its just a silly fantasy to even think about.. The films were finacially succesfull... Even adjusted for inflation they made a boat load of money.

I mean I really dont care... If it was done well then sure.. Why not.. I could then choose my own adventure.. But I dont hate it enough to have them do a reboot and am fine with the final product.


Tell you what... I am game for a reboot but they have to reboot the PT also and parts of ROTJ

 

[YoNoSe]

I'd be curious but it wouldn't be something I'd be more or less excited about than anything else.
I'd like them to reboot the executive structure in Lucasfilm.

 

[JAWS]

I'd be curious but it wouldn't be something I'd be more or less excited about than anything else.
I'd like them to reboot the executive structure in Lucasfilm.

Yeah that about sums it up

 

[svnmelter]

No. Disney should learn from the mistakes made in both the PT and ST and move onto new stories.

 

[ajp4mgs]

If George Lucas was doing the rebooted films, I'd be onboard without a doubt. But if it'd be anyone else, then why bother?

Now, if LFL/Disney were to simply publish George's outline for his version of the ST, I'd be all over that! And it would instantly become my canon sequel story (warts and all).

Let Disney do as many movies as they want that don't have an effect on the Skywalker Saga, but give me GL's ST treatment, please!

#releasethelucasoutline

 

[Khev]

I'd love to see George's 2012 ST treatments released as a comic or Disney+ cartoon, just to see what he was envisioning.

 

[The Buffinator]

If George Lucas was doing the rebooted films, I'd be onboard without a doubt. But if it'd be anyone else, then why bother?

Now, if LFL/Disney were to simply publish George's outline for his version of the ST, I'd be all over that! And it would instantly become my canon sequel story (warts and all).

Let Disney do as many movies as they want that don't have an effect on the Skywalker Saga, but give me GL's ST treatment, please!

#releasethelucasoutline

I'd love to see George's 2012 ST treatments released as a comic or Disney+ cartoon, just to see what he was envisioning.

No thank you. George gave us the most beloved & enduring franchise of all time, but he's 40 years past his creative prime (32 years past it when he wrote his treatments). Stick a fork in it - his time is over. If I never hear the word midichlorian uttered in a film again it will still be too soon.

 

[ZE_501]

Cinematic Star Wars is dead.

We won't go into how long it's been dead.

 

[ajp4mgs]

No thank you. George gave us the most beloved & enduring franchise of all time, but he's 40 years past his creative prime (32 years past it when he wrote his treatments). Stick a fork in it - his time is over. If I never hear the word midichlorian uttered in a film again it will still be too soon.

I don't disagree with you, but the saga belongs to GL in my mind. This is a guy who let Spielberg have some autonomy with Indy, but GL held tight to SW.

As much as I dislike how the PT turned out, I would hate it if anyone ever re-did those movies. I want to have the story told *his* way, not my way. I know many don't see it like that, but I'm not speaking for anyone but me.

Bob Iger's book was the punctuation point for me. If GL had merely been unhappy because he would've done some things differently, then I can (and did) overlook that. But it's a whole other deal when the phrasing in the book was that George "felt betrayed" that they went in a totally different direction with TFA. I get that ownership entitles Disney to do that, but the lack of respect when it comes to how they handled GL's outline for the ST is hard to ignore as a fan. It doesn't sit well.

 

[Prime Clone]

What ajp said. I adhere to the gospel according to George, for better *and* worse.

I still think the ST turned out OK though. It's just the new characters didn't have the appeal of the originals.

 

[punisher1974]

There wasn’t much growth in the new characters. It’s a real shame too because they could have been epic as well. The prequels at least built up characters and did world building as well. What did the sequel trilogy really add to the saga? Some nice sequences and a dialed back Ian Mcdirmand as PAlpatine but the characters were very flat overall. The trilogy was all flash but no meat and potatoes to the story. It’s a wasted opportunity in my eyes.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Pointless thread. The damage is done.

 

[Chakor]

 

[The Buffinator]

I don't disagree with you, but the saga belongs to GL in my mind. This is a guy who let Spielberg have some autonomy with Indy, but GL held tight to SW.

As much as I dislike how the PT turned out, I would hate it if anyone ever re-did those movies. I want to have the story told *his* way, not my way. I know many don't see it like that, but I'm not speaking for anyone but me.

Bob Iger's book was the punctuation point for me. If GL had merely been unhappy because he would've done some things differently, then I can (and did) overlook that. But it's a whole other deal when the phrasing in the book was that George "felt betrayed" that they went in a totally different direction with TFA. I get that ownership entitles Disney to do that, but the lack of respect when it comes to how they handled GL's outline for the ST is hard to ignore as a fan. It doesn't sit well.

What ajp said. I adhere to the gospel according to George, for better *and* worse.

I still think the ST turned out OK though. It's just the new characters didn't have the appeal of the originals.

No disrespect intended, but if GL held tight to SW rather than take Disney's cash we'd be nitpicking his ST story right now. Seems to me George has no one to blame but himself when it comes to feelings of betrayal. If he wanted a guarantee his outline was going to be adhered to, he should have made the sale contingent on it. If he didn't think it was that important, why should we?

 

[ajp4mgs]

No disrespect intended, but if GL held tight to SW rather than take Disney's cash we'd be nitpicking his ST story right now.

No doubt. I won't even pretend to deny that I'd be moaning about microbiotic craziness, or whatever else he'd be introducing. But like the PT, I'd be there to see it, and I'd consider it the official word on the saga no matter what.

Seems to me George has no one to blame but himself when it comes to feelings of betrayal. If he wanted a guarantee his outline was going to be adhered to, he should have made the sale contingent on it. If he didn't think it was that important, why should we?

Fair enough. But don't you think GL was justified to assume that KK (a longtime friend) and Disney would respect his vision and creative propriety enough to at least keep his general outline?

Movie treatments are rough sketches, not screenplays. There'd be enough wiggle room for JJ (or anyone else) to edit out the most egregious stuff, add all-new elements, but still keep the spirit of George's story.

Look, I know that GL pretty much only wrote those treatments to increase the sale price of LFL. I get it. But, remember his infamous interview with Charlie Rose? It might be that just getting to write the ending to his story (at least in a general sense) meant more to him than we might assume. Why not at least respect that and work to enhance his ideas? That's what we fans have said for years: George is the idea guy, but others should be refining those ideas for the presentation on screen.

 

[Khev]

Movie treatments are rough sketches, not screenplays. There'd be enough wiggle room for JJ (or anyone else) to edit out the most egregious stuff, add all-new elements, but still keep the spirit of George's story.

Based on everything that has been reported, that's exactly what they did but George just couldn't handle any deviation and had to be a big baby about it in public. Main characters Sam and Kira who were the grandchildren of Darth Vader? Became Ben and Rey who were the grandchildren of Vader and Palpatine, related in spirit through the Force Dyad. Sam was more of a gunslinger though so they shifted him and "Q'ira" over to the Solo movie. "Jedi Killer" who was a former pupil of Luke who was seduced to the Dark Side by Darth Talon? Became Kylo Ren seduced by Snoke. Exile Luke? Became...exile Luke, lol.

Editing out the most "egregious" stuff as you say? Hello "microbiotics" and goodbye microbiotics. Done.

Then there was George's comments shortly after TFA that he made to "CBS This Morning":

"The issue was ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, 'We want to make something for the fans.' People don't actually realize it's actually a soap opera and it's all about family problems' it's not about spaceships."

And what are we left with at the end of TROS? A trilogy about some random nobody who kills the main bad guy? Nope. It was family. Just like George said it was supposed to be.

As far as him being angry that Disney "made something for the fans?" Well he himself actually used to care about that too. He literally writes on the box of the 1990 VHS set "Fifteen years ago I set out to make a film for a generation without fairy tales." Well he succeeded but then decided to turn his back on those who fell in love with the very fairy tale that he supposedly made for them in the first place. He just isn't that same person anymore.

I think the main difference that you and I have about George is that you want him to be *happy* with the story and I just want his best ideas, lol. The moment that I realized that he secretly hated the theatrical OT and that the prequels were what unfiltered, unrestrained George Lucas storytelling looked like was when I realized that George Lucas' ideas PLUS compromise due to technical limitations/budget/feedback from others is what "true" Star Wars is. He will forever be an integral piece of the puzzle but he's still just a piece and not the final word on what defines this Saga. Not when the original work that set the precedent for the entire Saga going forward (the original 1977 masterpiece) took such a group effort to be what it was.

Like you I was *really* put off by the revelations in Iger's book as well. So much so because I thought that not only was the ST abandoning all of George's ideas but that they going to ignore his ideas *and* make something worse! But that was before TROS. Before the entire ST got back to so many of George's story ideas that he himself had either planned or even put in print but then abandoned himself. Before I recognized that much of TFA and TLJ had his ideas (old and new) in them as well. So for me the level of "Georginess" in the new movies is a wash (trading his wonky new stuff for some of his good old stuff) which I can easily accept considering I enjoyed so much how they executed them.

For folks who hate the ST at face value *and* are annoyed that they didn't follow his treatments to the letter, well I can certainly understand forsaking this new trilogy entirely. I was *this* close to joining you guys too, lol.

 

[ironwez20]

I don't know about rebooted but it will be retconned

 

[Prime Clone]

The moment that I realized that he secretly hated the theatrical OT

Was that mainly due to the FX that he revised later, or story/directorial elements?

Reminds me of Roddenberry preferring TNG and wanting to retcon TOS out of existence!

 

[TheDucky]

I voted no.. I think its just a silly fantasy to even think about.. The films were finacially succesfull... Even adjusted for inflation they made a boat load of money.

I mean I really dont care... If it was done well then sure.. Why not.. I could then choose my own adventure.. But I dont hate it enough to have them do a reboot and am fine with the final product.


Tell you what... I am game for a reboot but they have to reboot the PT also and parts of ROTJ

I'd be down for a 2nd PT Trilogy. The actors are young enough to bring em back!

If George Lucas was doing the rebooted films, I'd be onboard without a doubt. But if it'd be anyone else, then why bother?

Now, if LFL/Disney were to simply publish George's outline for his version of the ST, I'd be all over that! And it would instantly become my canon sequel story (warts and all).

Let Disney do as many movies as they want that don't have an effect on the Skywalker Saga, but give me GL's ST treatment, please!

#releasethelucasoutline

Should have added that as an option, only with George... and maybe some help with dialogue.

I'd love to see George's 2012 ST treatments released as a comic or Disney+ cartoon, just to see what he was envisioning.

Marvel is getting an animated "What If?" series, would love to see stuff like that with Star Wars.

What if George Lucas made the ST?

What if Anakin never turned to the Dark Side?

What if Luke turned to the Dark Side?

Based on everything that has been reported, that's exactly what they did but George just couldn't handle any deviation and had to be a big baby about it in public. Main characters Sam and Kira who were the grandchildren of Darth Vader? Became Ben and Rey who were the grandchildren of Vader and Palpatine, related in spirit through the Force Dyad. Sam was more of a gunslinger though so they shifted him and "Q'ira" over to the Solo movie. "Jedi Killer" who was a former pupil of Luke who was seduced to the Dark Side by Darth Talon? Became Kylo Ren seduced by Snoke. Exile Luke? Became...exile Luke, lol.

Editing out the most "egregious" stuff as you say? Hello "microbiotics" and goodbye microbiotics. Done.

Then there was George's comments shortly after TFA that he made to "CBS This Morning": And what are we left with at the end of TROS? A trilogy about some random nobody who kills the main bad guy? Nope. It was family. Just like George said it was supposed to be.

He killed that family though. Then some random girl who is a clone baby not even related to the Skywalker's gets everything? Come on, that isn't anything close to what he wanted.