Sideshow 1/6 Jawa Figure Set

[Lejuan]

With a coupon I'm going to pay $200 for this set. Plus shipping, that's going to come to about three hundred Australian dollars.

I think I'll write to the Australian mining companies and demand to know why they aren't selling as much iron ore and coal to the Chinese, leading to our crap exchange rate.

They'll tell me I should write to the Chinese and demand to know why they aren't making enough crap for foreign markets, leading to their lack of demand for Australian resources.

The Chinese will tell me I should write to the Americans and demand to know why they aren't buying enough of their crap, leading to their reduced manufacturing volumes.

The Americans will tell me it's all the fault of consumers like me, who insist on paying less than what I think is fair for an imported 1/6 doll, leading to lower import volumes and higher MSRPs.

So I'm going to do my bit and buy these dolls.

What say you, fellows? Who will join me on this noble quest?

 

[Rook]

Lol, they don't have to justify anything. It's a couple of 1:6 Jawas to throw in your detolfs. If you don't like the price, pass and move on with your life. I don't get who any of you think you are to dictate the price/value to SSC. The extent of most of your experience is buying other similarly priced figures and I guess that's made you all experts in what it costs to produce these things.

Well, I'll be damned. Some enlightenment.

Not to be snarky, mind you. And I understand the frustration at something you really want costing more than you'd like to pay for it. It's just that the weird attempts at dismissing it by demonizing Sideshow are pretty bizarre. Trust me. These figures aren't overpriced. It does no one at Sideshow any good to have figures gathering dust in a warehouse.

 

[WWEJedi]

Lol, they don't have to justify anything. It's a couple of 1:6 Jawas to throw in your detolfs. If you don't like the price, pass and move on with your life. I don't get who any of you think you are to dictate the price/value to SSC. The extent of most of your experience is buying other similarly priced figures and I guess that's made you all experts in what it costs to produce these things.

Wow. I usually agree with you, but what a rude, ignorant statement.

If it was not for customers SSC would not exist. If we did not buy anything SSC would be out of business. Look at SSC Green Lantern. Think they will be selling many of those? No? They had to have a employee log on here to defend it because the outcry was so bad, read through that thread, SSC likes to justify themselves and there products (rightfully so).

Tell me this Sol, last year Spooks SSC sold MoS Superman for $125.99 with $28 dollars back in reward points. I got that figure for $97 with shipping.

and they still make money.... both SSC and Hot Toys

I can go on with there Spook deals. Robin, Echo/Fives....

So what is the profit on this item? $150? $175? $190? Its all in house, they dont have to share anything with Hot Toys.

They should justify this. There is no excuse for this price.

Last year I bought 1/6 Yoda for $100. It came with his council chair, his floating chair, TWO headsculpts, multiple hands AND feet, lightsaber, hilt... $100.

These Jawas, compared to that Yoda, come with nothing. No headsculpt, no stand, no base, no chair, just two guns, a few hands, and two small accessories. Don't use the excuse of "well, the price increase" I don't see a loaf of bread having a 100% price increase... or a car... or a fridge... or a tv... or a pencil... or pepsi...

Heck, even Hot Toys only increased $20-$30.... but so did the quality.

What about the old "well, the disney deal costs money"

HT Luke.. $220
HT Ben... $220
HT Han... $220

Same price as these figures that have sculpts, stands, accessories.


It is unjustifiable.

Edit: Give me a sand base, or a gonk droid, and I would not be upset over the price.

 

[WWEJedi]

Well, I'll be damned. Some enlightenment.

Not to be snarky, mind you. And I understand the frustration at something you really want costing more than you'd like to pay for it. It's just that the weird attempts at dismissing it by demonizing Sideshow are pretty bizarre. Trust me. These figures aren't overpriced. It does no one at Sideshow any good to have figures gathering dust in a warehouse.

Care to explain?

Nice photos by the way.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Grow up, and learn some manners while you're at it.

Before accosting me as if you are an authority figure and I am six year old consider how broad the statement I made is, how steeply prices have recently risen, and all the factors that contribute to those higher prices. Others like difabio and lejuan have made excellent points. Also just for the record I do really like the jawas and most likely will end up buying them.

 

[Lejuan]

It is unjustifiable.

Mate... maaaaaaaate.

It's justifiable if the product returns a profit.

The product returns a profit if people buy enough of it.

People will buy enough of it if they perceive fair value.

If they don't perceive fair value, they won't buy it.

If they don't buy it, the product doesn't return a profit.

If it doesn't return a profit, then Sideshow will deduce, among other things, that the price point was too high.

You're buying a doll. Ten bucks should be too much for grown men and women to be buying dolls for themselves if you ask me.

 

[pixletwin]

I remember people having the exact same argument in 2006. I reckon the exact same argument will occur for 9 more years.

Wah? Sideshow is seeking a profit? That's terribible!!!

 

[WWEJedi]

I remember people having the exact same argument in 2006. I reckon the exact same argument will occur for 9 more years.

Wah? Sideshow is seeking a profit? That's terribible!!!

That is not the issue for me, of course I want SSC to make a profit. Its where I spend the most money at. I like SSC, great customer service, reward points and coupons are nice to. 2006 figure to 2015 figure... yeah quality of material and sculpts went up, hence the price increase.

Edit: nevermind. I look forward to buying this at 2016 spook for half price and reward points back. Thats the last I will say.

 

[Deeznutz6]

Lol, they don't have to justify anything. It's a couple of 1:6 Jawas to throw in your detolfs. If you don't like the price, pass and move on with your life. I don't get who any of you think you are to dictate the price/value to SSC. The extent of most of your experience is buying other similarly priced figures and I guess that's made you all experts in what it costs to produce these things.

Just like it makes the apologists experts in what it cost to produce these things.

I don't think I've read one post of anyone firing over the top shots at ssc, maybe one , this is place to voice your opinion and if certain people are not happy with the price point as a buying customer, this is the place to voice that as long as it is within boundaries.

Ssc can charge what the want just like Mercedes can charge what they want, but Mercedes doesn't price as a Hyundai one year and charge as a Mercedes the next

 

[Deeznutz6]

Mate... maaaaaaaate.

It's justifiable if the product returns a profit.

The product returns a profit if people buy enough of it.

People will buy enough of it if they perceive fair value.

If they don't perceive fair value, they won't buy it.

If they don't buy it, the product doesn't return a profit.

If it doesn't return a profit, then Sideshow will deduce, among other things, that the price point was too high.

You're buying a doll. Ten bucks should be too much for grown men and women to be buying dolls for themselves if you ask me.

All of this they have already taken into account hence the price point, you can't anchor yourself low then you only have downwards to go. They start to high knowing full well, they will get a percentage of full cost paying customers and another percentage of customers who will use the 20$ and then another percentage that will wait for possible blow out deals if they come along. And in the end they still are money which is the reason for being in business

 

[Darth Madden]

Jabba cost $125 when the rest of them were $60. He is hollow, no articulation and didn't come with any accessories. This isn't anything new. Buy what you want and pass on what you don't want. No point in getting mad, there are lots of other things to spend your money on.

 

[afattori]

Wow. I usually agree with you, but what a rude, ignorant statement.

If it was not for customers SSC would not exist. If we did not buy anything SSC would be out of business. Look at SSC Green Lantern. Think they will be selling many of those? No? They had to have a employee log on here to defend it because the outcry was so bad, read through that thread, SSC likes to justify themselves and there products.

Tell me this Sol, last year Spooks SSC sold MoS Superman for $125.99 with $28 dollars back in reward points. I got that figure for $97 with shipping.

AND THEY STILL MAKE MONEY.... both SSC and Hot Toys

I can go on with there Spook deals. Robin, Echo/Fives....

So what is the profit on this item? $150? $175? $190? Its all in house, they dont have to share anything with Hot Toys.

They should justify this. There is no excuse for this price.

Last year I bought 1/6 Yoda for $100. It came with his council chair, his floating chair, TWO headsculpts, multiple hands AND feet, lightsaber, hilt... $100.

These Jawas, compared to that Yoda, come with nothing. No headsculpt, no stand, no base, no chair, just two guns, a few hands, and two small accessories. Don't use the excuse of "well, the price increase" I don't see a loaf of bread having a 100% price increase... or a car... or a fridge... or a tv... or a pencil... or pepsi...

Heck, even Hot Toys only increased $20-$30.... but so did the quality.

What about the old "well, the disney deal costs money"

HT Luke.. $220
HT Ben... $220
HT Han... $220

Same price as these figures that have sculpts, stands, accessories.


It is unjustifiable.[/QUOTclap

great points. 219.99 and no stand, next to nothing in accessories. Another high price like ssc Luke x wing. At least he comes with a stand lol. There is another buying option with the Jawas, the first Hasbro 1/6 ones. For the price, they are a very good alternative. Green Lantern board blew up for sure lol. That figure will collect dust till he hits a heavily discounted price.

Thanks for giving the other side of the argument. As a company, ssc should explain the cost hike because we are consumer's and they are offering something for us to buy that is not a nesisity like food or water.

Especially when ht's make ot SW figures also and offer so much more for about the same price. They have to get the same license as ssc does. Ht's prices go up, as well as their quality.

They do not jack the price and take away stands or the amount of accessories. I do not want to pay more and get less. Hoth figures are cheaper than Jawas and exclusive Luke came with 3 headsculpts, custom snow stand, accessories, and no rehashed parts. He is only 199.99. I understand that you get 2 Jawas, but why does a bare bones figure cost more and come with so much less? The manufacturing, clothes and tailoring r and d do not cost that much just because they are a newly designed figure and size.

 

[DiFabio]

Excellent posts Difabio

There is no way to justify this price, no way at all.

Thanks.

But I don't think anyone has to justify the price though. Not Sideshow, nor the customer. You either buy these damn things at the price they're asking, or you don't. I used to get worked up about what I considered to be "unfair" pricing in the past too, but it's sort of silly in hindsight. It's not worth getting neurotic about. Some people here are obviously happy with be price and will be buying, others will not and will pass. Nobody is right or wrong here. My only point is that there are recent examples of 1:6 figures priced at $199-$220 that are, in my opinion, a much better value than two little robed Jawas with glowy eyes. I can count maybe a dozen or more figures that are better and offer more bang for your buck in this format.

That said, I think both sides should be able to state their piece on how they feel about these guys. Nobody should be shut out. Just realize that a company that's doing the charging doesn't have to justify their pricing, just like the customer that doesn't agree to the price and passes doesn't have to justify why they're buying or not.

 

[Pixelpiper]

I'm not getting why some are saying the fabric is wrong. Comparing it to the source material, the fabric used on the figures (which looks to be a custom weave with texture) seems to match the rough woven fabric of the original costumes.

The fabric on the original is a twill (aka duck or drill) weave. The same weave precisely as on a regular old pair of jeans, just much coarser because the fabric came from re-purposed blankets/throws. The fabric SSC have used is not a twill weave. I have some stuff here that matches the original very closely in scale - it insanely difficult to find something with the right pitch and weight.

 

[Pixelpiper]

$220 for these two little guys ... Great looking little figures, terrible, non-existent value.

Totally fair judgement call, when evaluating your own personal limits WRT "value".

But from a manufacturer's perspective, no one on the retail side is getting "ripped off." Buy them if you want or don't.

If anyone wants to evaluate the comparative margin or markup, it requires more information, and comparing the product against other 1/6 figures isn't part of it. Maybe these are costing Sideshow $5 to manufacture, but maybe they're costing $170. Maybe Sideshow are getting ripped off here WRT contract manufacturing. Maybe it's costing them $200 plus packaging and they're doing everyone a favor by letting them go as a loss-leader to sweeten their other offerings. When was the last time you looked at having custom tooling made for an action figure?

But here's the kick in the pants. If anyone feels like Sideshow is "ripping them off," buy someone else's Jawas. There are surely a lot of companies making them because the profits are, after all, insane, right?

But I don't think anyone has to justify the price though. Not Sideshow, nor the customer. You either buy these damn things at the price they're asking, or you don't.

Word.

The manufacturing, clothes and tailoring r and d do not cost that much just because they are a newly designed figure and size.

What factory do you have make your custom action figure products? Maybe we can get that information to SSC and take a little commission - I'll split it with you.

 

[WWEJedi]

Thanks.

But I don't think anyone has to justify the price though. Not Sideshow, nor the customer. You either buy these damn things at the price they're asking, or you don't. I used to get worked up about what I considered to be "unfair" pricing in the past too, but it's sort of silly in hindsight. It's not worth getting neurotic about. Some people here are obviously happy with be price and will be buying, others will not and will pass. Nobody is right or wrong here. My only point is that there are recent examples of 1:6 figures priced at $199-$220 that are, in my opinion, a much better value than two little robed Jawas with glowy eyes. I can count maybe a dozen or more figures that are better and offer more bang for your buck in this format.

That said, I think both sides should be able to state their piece on how they feel about these guys. Nobody should be shut out. Just realize that a company that's doing the charging doesn't have to justify their pricing, just like the customer that doesn't agree to the price and passes doesn't have to justify why they're buying or not.

Im in the belief that a company that sells products should justify there pricing decisions in one way or another. Its like buying a car and having the dealer try to sell you on it... trying to justify the purchase.

SSC should do the same. Whether that be explaining what went into these figures to accommodate for the high price or just through pictures. What I mean by that is for $220 you get two Jawas just standing there... look at Hoth Luke, one picture of everything being received (three sculpts, snow base, multiple accessories justifies the $200 cost to me). Two Jawas just standing there with no base, no sculpts, hardly any accessories does not. So when I look at those pictures and see $220 price tag, how are those figures worth $220?

 

[golobulus]

Was excited about these until I saw the price... kind of like the scout and speeder bike. If I showed one of these Jawas to any of my friends outside of the hobby and told them I paid $110 for the figure they'd look at me like .... Not that they get it, but it is a bit of a reality check. I'll always be tempted by Jawas though, so congrats to those that are getting them! Looking forward to seeing the pics!

 

[WWEJedi]

Totally fair judgement call, when evaluating your own personal limits WRT to "value".

But from a manufacturer's perspective, no one on the retail side is getting "ripped off." Buy them if you want or don't.

If anyone wants to evaluate the comparative margin or markup, it requires more information, and comparing the product against other 1/6 figures isn't part of it. Maybe these are costing Sideshow $5 to manufacture, but maybe they're costing $170. Maybe Sideshow are getting ripped off here WRT contract manufacturing. Maybe it's costing them $200 plus packaging and they're doing everyone a favor by letting them go as a loss-leader to sweeten their other offerings. When was the last time you looked at having custom tooling made for an action figure?

But here's the kick in the pants. If anyone feels like Sideshow is "ripping them off," buy someone else's Jawas. There are surely a lot of companies making them because the profits are, after all, insane, right?



Word.



What factory do you have make your custom action figure products? Maybe we can get that information to SSC and take a little commission - I'll split it with you.

I will go back to my original argument. How can SSC charge $220 for these when they were selling MoS Superman for $97 and still making money when having to split it with Hot Toys?

 

[TonTon]

Thanks.

But I don't think anyone has to justify the price though. Not Sideshow, nor the customer. You either buy these damn things at the price they're asking, or you don't. I used to get worked up about what I considered to be "unfair" pricing in the past too, but it's sort of silly in hindsight. It's not worth getting neurotic about. Some people here are obviously happy with be price and will be buying, others will not and will pass. Nobody is right or wrong here. My only point is that there are recent examples of 1:6 figures priced at $199-$220 that are, in my opinion, a much better value than two little robed Jawas with glowy eyes. I can count maybe a dozen or more figures that are better and offer more bang for your buck in this format.

That said, I think both sides should be able to state their piece on how they feel about these guys. Nobody should be shut out. Just realize that a company that's doing the charging doesn't have to justify their pricing, just like the customer that doesn't agree to the price and passes doesn't have to justify why they're buying or not.

It probably helped when the production size on some of these figures were publicized. If 2,000 of these sets are being produced compared with 10,000 Captain America's or compared with a figure like the Spacetrooper where they're mainly just re-using parts, the value might become a little more obvious. These are only being offered on SS's site which indicates that the production numbers are probably low and selling it wholesale isn't very feasible. There's lots of competition for the $$ of Star Wars collectors right now, which doesn't help.

Along the same lines it's obviously a much better value to see a blockbuster that cost $300 million to make for $12 at your local theatre, than to see a small independent flick that only cost $6 million and is still going to set you back the same $12. They know they'll sell an assload more blockbuster tickets and make money. Doesn't make either venture necessarily better or worse--to each his own, etc. Don't want that Mandarin on my shelf, but I wouldn't mind these guys. That said, I'll hold off and see what else is getting released.

 

[Pixelpiper]

I will go back to my original argument. How can SSC charge $220

1. I'll go back to *MY* original argument which actually holds water - try making your own and then get back to me about how much it costs.

2. They can charge whatever they want for their products, just like every other manufacturer and retailer on the planet.