Sideshow 1/6 Yoda Teaser

[Agent0028]

For me, he represented the Ewoks of the prequels.

GL really did follow the exact same story line principles in the PT that he used for the OT.

If you go back and compare the actions and acting asked of Mark Hamill it's really the same as Hayden Christensen. Just as stiff and just as whiny.

Jar Jar and the Gungans are the PT version of the Ewoks.

The only thing I wish we'd have seen more of in the PT is Darth Maul.

IMO The gungans were far more silly than Ewoks. Wicket didn't knock things over everytime he was on screen.

 

[D. Martin]

For me, he represented the Ewoks of the prequels.

GL really did follow the exact same story line principles in the PT that he used for the OT.

If you go back and compare the actions and acting asked of Mark Hamill it's really the same as Hayden Christensen. Just as stiff and just as whiny.

Jar Jar and the Gungans are the PT version of the Ewoks.

The only thing I wish we'd have seen more of in the PT is Darth Maul.

Jar Jar was the representation on innocence. Not unlike Anakin. Look at the full character arc, not just TPM, and you see that he became a vehicle for Sidious' plan. I wouldn't be surprise if Sidious actually requested Binks to be a part of Naboo politics.

Make no mistake, Jar Jar is an idiot who just makes his way awkwardly through the galaxy, but there is little doubt he was where he was in AOTC because Sidious wanted him there.

The Ewoks, similarly, are there for a reason. They represent nature defeating technology. A very Tolkien interpretation, but it does stand. The Ewoks were primitives just going about their day before the Empire oppressed them.

Imperial oppression is a big theme in the Saga. There are many characters that Sidious has put up against the wall, and the films center on characters that pushed back.

 

[D. Martin]

IMO The gungans were far more silly than Ewoks. Wicket didn't knock things over everytime he was on screen.

Jar Jar and Wicket are totally different characters, so thank goodness they are different...

 

[Apone]

I never said I didn't like the Prequel Trilogy.

You are reading into my comments and making your own assumptions, because I said the visual representation of the character in the PT failed to replicate how he looked in the ESB. That does not mean that I think the PT films sucked.


Just because I like how Michael Myers looked in the original Halloween- It doesn't mean I have to like how he looks in the sequels that stopped using that Don Post 1975 Capt Kirk Mask as the source for the mask.

The producer Moustopha Akkad was involved with all those films. So that would mean it's his baby.

So in your view I should learn to like the Un-Myers looking Myers in the sequels after 2. So just because I happened to like the first film and how that character looked in it. I should learn to like the other films and the way the character looks because the owner of the property decided to change it.

I'm not a sheep.

Yoda meant something to me as a child. I will never accept any other version of him other than the one Stuart Freeborn and his FX team made.

That was my first introduction to him and that is what he will always look like to me. It is burned into my subconscious.

I think I would have loved the PT Yoda more if it used the source puppet to create the CGI version.

The PT Yoda is always mad looking, the face is way too symmetrical. Almost all of the toys of him have him looking ticked off. I hate that. Yoda was kind, patient, and wise in the OT. He never scowled but he could come across as stern. Aggression wasn't a part of him in these films.

Being 900 years old at his death. Shouldn't Yoda have psychically aged 1 year for every 10 he lived.


He was 865 in TPM= 86.5 years old

He was 900 in ESB= 90 years old.

That's 3.5 years difference in age. He shouldn't have looked that different if you ask me.

For me Michael Myers will always be how he looked in the original film.

Gizmo and the Grems will always be the first versions we saw in Gremlins and not the better more able ones created by Rick Baker and Co. for The New Batch.

Leatherface will always be those 3 creepy Lifemask slush castings that Bob Burns William Barnes created for 1974's Tobe Hoopers The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.


That's just me though. I like the original representation of these characters. It's how I was introduced to them. They were inventive and interesting enough to leave an impression. That's how they always will be to me. It's not how you feel. I respect that.

I don't however like people baiting me into pointless arguments.

All I told you was that you couldn't swap out the head if you wanted the figure to be accurate.

You'd need a head, foot and hand swap to do it right. That wasn't a lie. Someone remarked. So I responded.

Dude..if you were this great Jedi that once was on a council that oversaw the galaxy..and now you were liking in a tree stump in the middle of a dreary swamp...dont you think you would look pissed off all the time.. cut the brother some slack

 

[thenammagazine]

Yoda meant something to me as a child. I will never accept any other version of him other than the one Stuart Freeborn and his FX team made.

That was my first introduction to him and that is what he will always look like to me. It is burned into my subconscious.

I think I would have loved the PT Yoda more if it used the source puppet to create the CGI version.

The PT Yoda is always mad looking, the face is way too symmetrical. Almost all of the toys of him have him looking ticked off. I hate that. Yoda was kind, patient, and wise in the OT. He never scowled but he could come across as stern. Aggression wasn't a part of him in these films.

Being 900 years old at his death. Shouldn't Yoda have psychically aged 1 year for every 10 he lived.


He was 865 in TPM= 86.5 years old

He was 900 in ESB= 90 years old.

That's 3.5 years difference in age. He shouldn't have looked that different if you ask me.

For me Michael Myers will always be how he looked in the original film.

That's just me though. I like the original representation of these characters. It's how I was introduced to them. They were inventive and interesting enough to leave an impression. That's how they always will be to me. It's not how you feel. I respect that.

All I told you was that you couldn't swap out the head if you wanted the figure to be accurate.

You'd need a head, foot and hand swap to do it right. That wasn't a lie. Someone remarked. So I responded.

Uh.... (and we'll leave the EU out of this for the sake of length ) so by those figures, AOTC, The Clone Wars, ROTS, ANH (Luke and Leia growing up from babies to 18-year-old kids, blowing up the Death Star), ESB intro (and moving the majority of the Rebel Alliance to Hoth) all took place in 3.5 years?

I understand you might have a fondness for the puppet, and that's fine, but saying Lucas took, and I quote, "creative license" with something that he created and owns to make it look more like he originally intended, just because you don't like the change, is ridiculous. Trust me. If technology in 1980 had been where it is today, you would've had a CGI Yoda to begin with and absolutely no argument at all. And that's really what you have to look at.

 

[D. Martin]

Well said and amen

 

[Yodacappy]

Jar Jar was the representation on innocence. Not unlike Anakin. Look at the full character arc, not just TPM, and you see that he became a vehicle for Sidious' plan. I wouldn't be surprise if Sidious actually requested Binks to be a part of Naboo politics.

Make no mistake, Jar Jar is an idiot who just makes his way awkwardly through the galaxy, but there is little doubt he was where he was in AOTC because Sidious wanted him there.

The Ewoks, similarly, are there for a reason. They represent nature defeating technology. A very Tolkien interpretation, but it does stand. The Ewoks were primitives just going about their day before the Empire oppressed them.

Imperial oppression is a big theme in the Saga. There are many characters that Sidious has put up against the wall, and the films center on characters that pushed back.

Exactly and in much same way, the Gungans represented nature defeating technology. They blamed Naboo and their advanced ways for bringing the "mechaniks" to the Gungan world. When I watch the battle between the droid army and the gungans, I am easily reminded of the Ewoks versus the Imperial army.

 

[Agent0028]

Take out Jar Jar becoming a general and all the havoc he wreaks and I would be in agreement about the gungans fighting the droids. That purplish gungan general seemed competent. And those blue balls they fought with that were like little emp grenades were pretty cool. What bothers me about that fight is when Jar Jar gets his foot tangled in the droids innards and winds up shooting other droids trying to get it off and all the other shenanigans he pulls during the fight.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Take out Jar Jar becoming a general and all the havoc he wreaks and I would be in agreement about the gungans fighting the droids. That purplish gungan general seemed competent. And those blue balls they fought with that were like little emp grenades were pretty cool. What bothers me about that fight is when Jar Jar gets his foot tangled in the droids innards and winds up shooting other droids trying to get it off and all the other shenanigans he pulls during the fight.

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[Darthgothikus]

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[The Batman Professor]

Here's what I know: the PT has given the OT even more gravitas.

I recently burned the old "story" lp's to my ipod. At the end of "THE STORY OF RETURN OF THE JEDI," the narrator says during the Emperor's lightening barrage of Luke, "the sight of his son in agony suddenly reached the heart of Anakin Skywalker." That line chokes me up in a way it never did before the PT. The entire story of the rise, fall, and ultimate redemption of Anakin Skywalker is the crux of STAR WARS, and we are richer for having the entire saga.

 

[Agent0028]

I whole heartedly agree. There are things that I dislike about the PT, there are things I think that would have made it better. But overall I like them and would rather have them than not.

 

[D. Martin]

Take out Jar Jar becoming a general and all the havoc he wreaks and I would be in agreement about the gungans fighting the droids. That purplish gungan general seemed competent. And those blue balls they fought with that were like little emp grenades were pretty cool. What bothers me about that fight is when Jar Jar gets his foot tangled in the droids innards and winds up shooting other droids trying to get it off and all the other shenanigans he pulls during the fight.

I'd imagine fighting with blue balls would suck...

 

[D. Martin]

Here's what I know: the PT has given the OT even more gravitas.

I recently burned the old "story" lp's to my ipod. At the end of "THE STORY OF RETURN OF THE JEDI," the narrator says during the Emperor's lightening barrage of Luke, "the sight of his son in agony suddenly reached the heart of Anakin Skywalker." That line chokes me up in a way it never did before the PT. The entire story of the rise, fall, and ultimate redemption of Anakin Skywalker is the crux of STAR WARS, and we are richer for having the entire saga.

To go off of that, the parallels are well done. Anakin made his biggest mistake when he had to choose between Sidious and Windu, and there is no doubt that was hanging heavy on his mind when he was put back in the same situation in ROTJ. Looking back at the full story, Vader was just as evil when he was talking to Padme on Moustafar as he was in TESB pleading with Luke to join him. He was a Sith all through TESB and the beginning of ROTJ, but as soon as he had his conversation with Luke on Endor, Anakin was able to see through the fog of the Sith. Even though we don't see his face, we know that he was kicked between the legs when Luke said "Then my father is truly dead". Darth Vader has become so much more of an interesting character because of the PT. First time I see him in ANH, I think "oh Anakin, what have you done to yourself?"

I was fortunate enough to see a special Lucasfilm screening of ROTS a few weeks before it opened, and as soon as I got home I needed to watch ROTJ to see him redeem himself

At the current time, ROTS is my favourite SW movie.

 

[D. Martin]

I whole heartedly agree. There are things that I dislike about the PT, there are things I think that would have made it better. But overall I like them and would rather have them than not.

Yeah, me too. Its because I love the OT that I wanted to see Lucas' full story. I'm very happy he finally told it to us.

At the end of the day, its the story and characters I love, and they out weigh the actual feature film productions themselves. CGI or Puppets, one actor or the next. What ever. Without Lucas' incredibly epic tale none of the movies would mean a thing.

 

[MaulFan]

To go off of that, the parallels are well done. Anakin made his biggest mistake when he had to choose between Sidious and Windu, and there is no doubt that was hanging heavy on his mind when he was put back in the same situation in ROTJ. Looking back at the full story, Vader was just as evil when he was talking to Padme on Moustafar as he was in TESB pleading with Luke to join him. He was a Sith all through TESB and the beginning of ROTJ, but as soon as he had his conversation with Luke on Endor, Anakin was able to see through the fog of the Sith. Even though we don't see his face, we know that he was kicked between the legs when Luke said "Then my father is truly dead". Darth Vader has become so much more of an interesting character because of the PT. First time I see him in ANH, I think "oh Anakin, what have you done to yourself?"

I was fortunate enough to see a special Lucasfilm screening of ROTS a few weeks before it opened, and as soon as I got home I needed to watch ROTJ to see him redeem himself

At the current time, ROTS is my favourite SW movie.

I'd add to that his plea to convert Luke rather than kill him in ESB. One thing the PT established is a strong tie to family for Anakin, he lost his mother, his wife, the nail in the coffin of his fall was hearing of Padme's death, he lost all faith in everything but Sidious and the Sith. Then all of a sudden in ESB, he comes to find out he has family, that all is not lost. I always interpret that conversation with The Emperor now as a start of him having mistrust in Sidious, for if Padme had died when he said, his child would have died too, so he starts to wonder if the Emperor has been betraying him. He makes the move to keep Luke alive because he wants to be with his family and have things his way, again pleaing with Luke like Padme to overthrow the Emperor and run things his way. I feel like when he looks on The Emperor killing Luke in ROTJ, he has a realization that Palpatine was never supportive of him, that everything was for his own good and the man he'd invested so much into had betrayed him utterly and he turns on him.

 

[D. Martin]

Lucas himself said, that he was still 100% Vader in TESB. That doesn't discredit what you are saying Sean, since we know that the Sith get their straight from their passions and Anakin is indeed a man who has a strong hold to his family. But, just like he tried to get Padme to join him and he would defeat Sidious, he thought the same with Luke. What he told him about ruling the galaxy as Father and Son was truthful, but he meant it as them both being Siths.

The Sith are always looking to kill their master, and turning Luke in TESB would have been to do just that.

 

[MaulFan]

I thought of it as Anakin's idealistic view of the world, going back to Episode II, his I'll learn to stop people from dying speech, that even though he followed Palpatine more than the Jedi, he still didn't agree with his views and saw him as a stepping stone to become powerful enough to shape the world into everything he wanted it to be. Between AOTC and ROTS, Anakin became a person consumed with creating the perfect world, but blinded by that to a point he couldn't see the wrongs in his actions and truly believed he was taking steps towards a greater good, like firmly believing that killing the Jedi at the Temple was for a greater good. And in his grand view for the galaxy, he and his loved ones would be at the top of it all, ruling it all.

 

[Agent0028]

Yeah, me too. Its because I love the OT that I wanted to see Lucas' full story. I'm very happy he finally told it to us.

At the end of the day, its the story and characters I love, and they out weigh the actual feature film productions themselves. CGI or Puppets, one actor or the next. What ever. Without Lucas' incredibly epic tale none of the movies would mean a thing.

Excellent post. That is basically how I feel about it.

 

[jediknight120]

Totally agree with the PT affecting the end of ROTJ. Whenever I see Vader hurl the Emperor over the railing, I get chills.