SIDESHOW! We need 1/6 Ashoka "Snips" Tano NOW!

[adambadadam]

SSC already said any animated entries Asajj, Padme, Clone Obi General and the upcoming Captain Rex (Come on you know its coming due to the Obi Exclusive) would be done in realistic formats. So any Ashoka that would be produced at least in the 1/6 line would look more like Shaak Ti junior instead of her Clone Wars animation look.

Then I guess it just depends on whether or not SSC would produce the other characters, especially the core (Obi, Ani, Mace) and Clones with the CW attire and detail. A realistic look Rex would be great and I happen to like the armor/robe hybrid of the Jedi. So no, I would not want Ashoka hanging out by herself at the mall.

 

[The Josh]

I wouldn't mind seeing an Anakin done with the armor on at some point, Rex would be awesome, Cody, and Ashoka down the road at some point down the road.

 

[The Mike]

The thing is we don't know where SSC is pulling from for their Animated inspirations and I'm surprised LFL is allowing them to do this, the Clone Obi General is from the Genndy CW series or at least most influenced there while the Captain Rex is from this new series. I didn't think LFL would want mixing and matching. So since that is being done who know what kind of CW Anakin we'd get since all three have different interpretations but I fear that Clone Wars General Obi that we are getting means that Clone Wars Obi from the MicroSeries part II or from this new version which I really loved that design including the Helmet on the Hasbro figure will not get done.

 

[adambadadam]

I wouldn't mind seeing an Anakin done with the armor on at some point, Rex would be awesome, Cody, and Ashoka down the road at some point down the road.

If I was "forced" to choose, I'd prefer them in thier animated incarnations. The 3-D modeling really did come out as something special and unique, a minor detail getting lost in the backlash, and an admirable quality George doesn't get accused of often. Filoni could've easily mimicked something else that had been previously done before, like Gennedy did (albeit very good) from Samuri Jack, but did something so different, that the closest thing anyone can relate it to is Thunderbirds???

In America, Europe, Asia, someone go out and try to find me something like this style being done in animation.

 

[adambadadam]

The thing is we don't know where SSC is pulling from for their Animated inspirations and I'm surprised LFL is allowing them to do this, the Clone Obi General is from the Genndy CW series or at least most influenced there while the Captain Rex is from this new series. I didn't think LFL would want mixing and matching. So since that is being done who know what kind of CW Anakin we'd get since all three have different interpretations but I fear that Clone Wars General Obi that we are getting means that Clone Wars Obi from the MicroSeries part II or from this new version which I really loved that design including the Helmet on the Hasbro figure will not get done.

Yep, General Obi is definitely one of my SSC faves, but yes, I'm disappointed he doesn't have switchable helmet heads. Perhaps it won't be too dangerous to swap heads with Kenobi and the eventual Ep2 Clone. I mean thats all we can hope for right, when the first Obi's start shipping and we see if it's possible?

Why don't you try it first and get back to me

 

[The Josh]

If I was "forced" to choose, I'd prefer them in thier animated incarnations. The 3-D modeling really did come out as something special and unique, a minor detail getting lost in the backlash, and an admirable quality George doesn't get accused of often. Filoni could've easily mimicked something else that had been previously done before, like Gennedy did (albeit very good) from Samuri Jack, but did something so different, that the closest thing anyone can relate it to is Thunderbirds???

In America, Europe, Asia, someone go out and try to find me something like this style being done in animation.

The animation is amazing indeed. I wasn't sure I'd like it but it came out amazing.

 

[Blackthornone]

SSC already said any animated entries Asajj, Padme, Clone Obi General and the upcoming Captain Rex (Come on you know its coming due to the Obi Exclusive) would be done in realistic formats. So any Ashoka that would be produced at least in the 1/6 line would look more like Shaak Ti junior instead of her Clone Wars animation look.

I'm very glad for that. This stylized animation takes me right out of the immersion in the Star Wars universe. I like things to be as realistic as possible in every way, so I can actually believe it's REAL, and I'm actually there is the universe. When it's as stylized as the Clone Wars, it forces me into the position of a detached observer, because the people don't look real.

 

[galactiboy]

BTW, where did Snips come from... that confused me in the movie.

 

[adambadadam]

BTW, where did Snips come from... that confused me in the movie.

Really,

Ashoka innocently, albeit irritatingly, gives Anakin the "pet" name after he tries to ditch her. Since she does, whether deliberate or not, can't help herself from having a penchant for questioning and/or making commentary on everything Anakin does. So right away, in the begining of thier relationship, Anakin just fires back (in whats typical of his character) and refers to her as "Snips" because she's very "snippy". It's funny though, because alot of times her sense of being practical makes sense, especially when it comes to greater responsiblity and the wellfare of others.

It makes for interesting story because throughout both Trilogies, but especially the Prequels, it's all about Anakin all the time and treated that way in the story, both in his eyes and the eyes of the audience.

 

[adambadadam]

She really does want to fit in. Her hearts in the right place, but typical of your youth, she lacks subtley and tact. She tries too hard.

Pretty realistic characterization if you ask me.

 

[Anzik]

But Jedi aren't supposed to be 'typical' they are supposed to be exceptional and raised in a very structured environment that would discourage 'snippiness'.

Yeah, yeah I know they want to appeal to the kids who emulate that snippy attitude, talk back to adults and have a general disdain for authority. Which is why I will watch every episode WITH my kids to reinforce what is proper and improper behavior.

 

[adambadadam]

But Jedi aren't supposed to be 'typical' they are supposed to be exceptional and raised in a very structured environment that would discourage 'snippiness'.

Yeah, yeah I know they want to appeal to the kids who emulate that snippy attitude, talk back to adults and have a general disdain for authority. Which is why I will watch every episode WITH my kids to reinforce what is proper and improper behavior.

Tell me how thats not fantasy/unrealistic reasoning

Obi-Wan had his faults as a Padawan, obviously Anakin did, the only things that causes your kids to be exceptional is the grace of God and you being a role-model Dad!

And I don't think she comes across with a disdain for authority, that's a little overboard! Nervousness can cause even grown-ups to act/and say dumb things.

 

[Blackthornone]

But Jedi aren't supposed to be 'typical' they are supposed to be exceptional and raised in a very structured environment that would discourage 'snippiness'.

Yeah, yeah I know they want to appeal to the kids who emulate that snippy attitude, talk back to adults and have a general disdain for authority. Which is why I will watch every episode WITH my kids to reinforce what is proper and improper behavior.

You are absolutely right. Since Jedi are raised since very young, away from influences of rebelliousness, they would be much more like kids of today that are raised in the country, away from television, much like Ron Howard raised his kids.
Today's kids are products of MTV, quick sound bytes, and anti-heroes like hip hop stars and rather superficial people like Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, and Kim Kardashian, who are famous for being famous, people who have more attitude than who have actual talent. That's why most of today's kids are such whippersnappers.

 

[Anzik]

George Lucas says that Jedi children are exceptional. They are selected on that pesky midichlorian count and taken from their parents to be raised in a very controlled environment.
I'll tell ya what. Lets take a look outside of the United States and its young that are reared on pop culture and MTV and parents that want to be buddies with their kids. Take a look at the children that are raised in environments like the Jedi order is supposed to represent, like the Shaolin monastery, or Japanese educational system, or even here in the states in the Amish areas. Those strict environments help keep kids in line as much as parenting. Qui Gon tells Anakin, training to be a Jedi will not be a easy challenge. And if you succeed, it will be a hard life.
She is introduced to her new 'master' and is insolent to both Anakin and Obi Wan, who is a member of the council. I sincerely doubt any teenager would be so flippant with one of the 12 most powerful people in their world.
We are used to seeing obnoxious children and seeing sitcoms where the father is portrayed as a bumbling **** and the kids are the ones with all the answers. We have let our society become one where children are allowed to speak to adults as equals and this show reinforces that behavior.
Ask Josh, who has to teach kids everyday, if he wishes their parents disciplined their kids a little more, so they have an understanding of boundaries and following instruction. Ask him how often parents expect him to do their job of parenting and all they have to do is make sure the kid gets to the building.

 

[The Josh]

Ask Josh, who has to teach kids everyday, if he wishes their parents disciplined their kids a little more, so they have an understanding of boundaries and following instruction. Ask him how often parents expect him to do their job of parenting and all they have to do is make sure the kid gets to the building.

I could write all day on this.

 

[adambadadam]

George Lucas says that Jedi children are exceptional. They are selected on that pesky midichlorian count and taken from their parents to be raised in a very controlled environment.
I'll tell ya what. Lets take a look outside of the United States and its young that are reared on pop culture and MTV and parents that want to be buddies with their kids. Take a look at the children that are raised in environments like the Jedi order is supposed to represent, like the Shaolin monastery, or Japanese educational system, or even here in the states in the Amish areas. Those strict environments help keep kids in line as much as parenting. Qui Gon tells Anakin, training to be a Jedi will not be a easy challenge. And if you succeed, it will be a hard life.
She is introduced to her new 'master' and is insolent to both Anakin and Obi Wan, who is a member of the council. I sincerely doubt any teenager would be so flippant with one of the 12 most powerful people in their world.
We are used to seeing obnoxious children and seeing sitcoms where the father is portrayed as a bumbling **** and the kids are the ones with all the answers. We have let our society become one where children are allowed to speak to adults as equals and this show reinforces that behavior.
Ask Josh, who has to teach kids everyday, if he wishes their parents disciplined their kids a little more, so they have an understanding of boundaries and following instruction. Ask him how often parents expect him to do their job of parenting and all they have to do is make sure the kid gets to the building.

Then what makes Anakin any different than Ashoka, the older he gets the more he questions authority. Much like George questioned his authority, the establishment, and what was expected of him growing up. Regardless of what I've pointed out before... about a galactic civil war not necessarily lending itself to ideal Jedi recruitment practices, learning to react to "Snips" by not smacking her in the mouth and exercising quiet patience, as Obi-Wan does, is just as much a lesson for Anakin as it is for Ashoka who should learn when to speak in turn.

 

[The Mike]

I gotta agree with Anzik. The way Lucas set up the understanding of the Jedi Order, a "Snips" should never exist because he set them up to more like monastery. That is what made Anakin so unique, his reckless behavior and to continue the argument what made Yoda think that Luke originally couldn't do it because the lack of structured training.

I teach 8th Graders on a daily basis and when you mix hormones and adolescence you get an Ashoka without a doubt, in reality her character was written fairly well as a teenager. The thing is she should have never grown up in that kind of atmosphere because what makes kids feel free to speak to adults the way they do is their home life. They bring that with them, I have students whose parents put the fear of God into them and those are the ones who respond with "Sirs" for everything....I also have parents who say "I don't know what to do because he/she is just like this at home", so the kid does whatever they want because there isn't a real mark of discipline. Kids at Ashoka's age are always testing and pushing their boundaries while searching for their individuality.

One could argue that Ashoka is unique and that shows because she is so young and that is why she was fastracked into being a Padawan but remember Anakin was pushed ahead because his Midichlorian count indicated him to be the Chosen One. I guarantee if he wasn't the chosen one he would have never been allowed to act the way he did.

Like the character/don't like the character its still a continuity break to what we've been instilled before.

 

[adambadadam]

I think she helps illustrate that Anakin, regarding somethings, is very much the little 7yr old that left his mother back on Tattoine. Please don't get me into my pyshological reasoning of little boys and a need for their mothers, suffice to say when Ashoka snips at Anakin, he falls into a trap of arguing with her, further demonstrating just a little, but perhaps, fatal immaturity.

Can you imagine how she would've argued with Qui-Gon? It would be a decidely one sided conversation and very short. He'd say how it was gonna be and thier'd be no more discussion on the matter.

It was pretty touching to me a couple of scenes when, one, after the blow the sheilds when Ashoka, after knowing how much she ^^^^ed up, just sits down and feels crushed. It that moment Anakin stops yelling and gives his own a heart to feel compassion for this little thing that keeps getting dragging on his coattails. That point of acceptance is one the best scenes in the movies to me. Yes, I'll say it...she's cute!

But with children, I don't believe it's all that tidy and easy to wrap up. She's headstrong and a work in progress and so the scene with Anakin trying to convince her to put down Rotta and rest, she doesn't think she needs to. She wants Anakin to know she's gonna keep up. Even the audience feels exasperated and here another arguement will start again, yet Anakin takes a different approach and, taking a deep breath, passes on something to her that Qui-Gon taught him. That is to exercise a little faith in yourself, your enviroment, and the people trying to help you.

 

[Anzik]

You're missing the point.
We aren't discussing the interaction, we are discussing a character that should not exist in the star wars universe as Lucas has defined it.
I understand why they created the character. I understand the need to attach Anakin to someone he will lose. But the point is her character is as out of place an ysalimari or whatever the hell they are called. She is a contradiction, a paradox.
This is from the official site in the Jedi listing in the databank:
Jedi candidates are detected, identified and taken into the order as infants. One method of detection is through blood sampling -- those with great Force potential often have high midi-chlorian counts in their bloodstream. A prospective Jedi begins training in infancy. All connection to previous family life is lost. In this early stage of training, a single master instructs groups, or clans, of Jedi hopefuls.
Does this fit Ahsoka?

 

[adambadadam]

I gotta agree with Anzik. The way Lucas set up the understanding of the Jedi Order, a "Snips" should never exist because he set them up to more like monastery. That is what made Anakin so unique, his reckless behavior and to continue the argument what made Yoda think that Luke originally couldn't do it because the lack of structured training.

I teach 8th Graders on a daily basis and when you mix hormones and adolescence you get an Ashoka without a doubt, in reality her character was written fairly well as a teenager. The thing is she should have never grown up in that kind of atmosphere because what makes kids feel free to speak to adults the way they do is their home life. They bring that with them, I have students whose parents put the fear of God into them and those are the ones who respond with "Sirs" for everything....I also have parents who say "I don't know what to do because he/she is just like this at home", so the kid does whatever they want because there isn't a real mark of discipline. Kids at Ashoka's age are always testing and pushing their boundaries while searching for their individuality.

One could argue that Ashoka is unique and that shows because she is so young and that is why she was fastracked into being a Padawan but remember Anakin was pushed ahead because his Midichlorian count indicated him to be the Chosen One. I guarantee if he wasn't the chosen one he would have never been allowed to act the way he did.

Like the character/don't like the character its still a continuity break to what we've been instilled before.

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With that "continuity" in mind, do you remember Obi-Wan skirted the edges of insubordination by constantly questioning Qui-Gon? In regards to the difference of Yoda's teaching vs' what Qui-Gon was trying to instill in him with the "living" force and being in the moment. Not the least of which was Obi-Wans objections to Qui-Gon's "attachments" and Anakin/Jar Jar, about whom, Obi-Wan could not see as anything more than "pathetic". Did any of you watch the same movie I did? I think his attitude was easier to dismiss and not to notice because the audience really didn't want them there either.