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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I’ve come around to the same way of thinking. I’d been ranking the ST above most of the PT because it was better made, even though I care less about it.

Yes TFA and TLJ are a bit like TDKR in that the fact that they all have good to great acting, cinematography, action visuals, and dialogue with the biggest "problems" coming from the overall narrative and character motivations. Someone who doesn't really care if Luke or Bruce retreat or quite and just accept their motivations without any preconceived notions as to how they should behave generally favor those films (both critics and casual audiences as the reviews and box office attest.) Critics and casual movie goers also probably have an easier time just writing these off as straight fantasy flicks or even silly and so don't get bogged down in technicalities like specific military or battle tactics.

But those of us who "know" these characters and how we think they should behave can be much harder to win over if it isn't done right in our minds or if the action sequences evolve out of obvious contrivances as opposed to organically. And when one or the other (character motivations/definitions vs. movie quality) is out of whack then we get these funny canon/non-canon debates.

Like you and JAWS I'll take a so so movie with the characters done right over an above average film that screws up the way I think that the characters should act. And for some people (especially those who post online) once one is messed up then they instantly dismiss the other as being equally messed up but it just isn't always (or even often) the case.

With the integrity of OT characters and satisfaction with their arcs being my #1 concern with any new SW movie it allows me to do weird things like being more willing to accept TPM back into the fold at the expense of the easily better made TFA and TLJ.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Khev saying his farewells giving the ST its final burial...

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Khev turns around and sees JAWS, Wor-Gar and a-dev in happiness:

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Meanwhile jye:

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:lol :lol

You still have my permission to seek council from my burned and mangled mask when Episode IX comes out. ;)
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Like you and JAWS I'll take a so so movie with the characters done right over an above average film that screws up the way I think that the characters should act.

Funnily enough I’m fine with how Luke was handled. And even though I thought Han had regressed as a character and Leia hadn’t grown enough (like, say, into a Jedi) that wasn’t a major drama either.

Maybe I just care more about what happened before the OT than after.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Funnily enough I’m fine with how Luke was handled. And even though I thought Han had regressed as a character and Leia hadn’t grown enough (like, say, into a Jedi) that wasn’t a major drama either.

Yeah and as I've said before I don't have issues with the behavior of Luke, Han, and Leia per se post-ROTJ it's just more about the tragically sad endings that befell all three of them. Such tragedy *does* make for good movies and I don't forsake the ST as entertainment (just like I can still watch and appreciate Alien 3 even though in my mind it doesn't "count") but I think at the end of the day I just like ROTJ being the official conclusion to the Saga and don't see that changing unless Abrams can pull the biggest rabbit of all out of his hat in 2019.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Yeah and as I've said before I don't have issues with the behavior of Luke, Han, and Leia per se post-ROTJ it's just more about the tragically sad endings that befell all three of them. Such tragedy *does* make for good movies and I don't forsake the ST as entertainment (just like I can still watch and appreciate Alien 3 even though in my mind it doesn't "count") but I think at the end of the day I just like ROTJ being the official conclusion to the Saga and don't see that changing unless Abrams can pull the biggest rabbit of all out of his hat in 2019.

It was all a vision created by Snoke. He's alive, Luke is alive, Han is alive, Leia is....cgi, and Rey, Finn, and Rose are dead and gone forever. Poe is the actual son of Leia and Han. SW is ok. :)
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

:lol :lol

You still have my permission to seek council from my burned and mangled mask when Episode IX comes out. ;)

:lol :lol :lol

Now that KK is 100% done (Iger is watching Grace’s video right now and getting the sword out) who would you like to see replace her?

Is it bad enough that Iger will ask Lucas to take over?
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Yeah and as I've said before I don't have issues with the behavior of Luke, Han, and Leia per se post-ROTJ it's just more about the tragically sad endings that befell all three of them. Such tragedy *does* make for good movies and I don't forsake the ST as entertainment (just like I can still watch and appreciate Alien 3 even though in my mind it doesn't "count") but I think at the end of the day I just like ROTJ being the official conclusion to the Saga and don't see that changing unless Abrams can pull the biggest rabbit of all out of his hat in 2019.

Leia is a force user like Luke

Both Leia and Luke should show up as force ghosts, using cgi for leia.

problem solved
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

:lol :lol :lol

Now that KK is 100% done (Iger is watching Grace’s video right now and getting the sword out) who would you like to see replace her?

Literally anyone as long as they are willing to properly restore the original theatrical OT and re-release them in theaters from time to time. It was fun to see Ford, Hamill, and Carrie return and now with the OT, RO, and Solo I don't need anymore SW so I'm not stressed about it being "ruined" by whoever replaces her going forward.

If we got two more "Solo" flicks by Howard and Kasdan and some badass Fett movie then that'd be gravy but definitely nothing I'll hold my breath for or complain about should they never come to pass.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

So will KK attend SW celebration next year or keep a low profile instead? If she does will she get boo'd out of the building worse than Vince McMahon got on a late nineties episode of Raw?

Oh man, imagine if she plays up the heel role and announces who she's killing off next in episode 9. Fans will try and storm the stage. :lol
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Imagine the pressure on Abrams right now in the wake of Solo's collapse. Imagine the hand-wringing execs, the immense creative challenges. The problem is, he's really not that great of a filmmaker - he's an expert brand shaper. But maybe that's exactly what's needed right now.

it is at 127,745,692 million with a 77% drop....
you really think it can make 80 million in the coming weeks?

with jurassic world just around the corner?

It would have to have a really historic collapse to not reach $200m (yes, not out of the question.) A general rule of thumb is you can take the current weekend B.O. take and multiply it by 2.5 to figure out what the movie will make by the end of its run (that's if it erodes normally.) If a movie is in danger of utter collapse, you can drop that to 2X.

With Solo, it has the possibility of fan repeat viewings (in this case off a smaller fanbase - ie there is a core of fans who do like it and may see it multiple times) so SW movies are harder to peg due to "legs." TLJ was the first SW movie to really not have much in the way of repeat fan viewings.

At the 2X "collapse" rate, Solo should finish at just a smidge over $200m.*

* My guess is that Disney would also diddle the figures to get Solo across the psychological $200m barrier (ie if it's coughing and wheezing at $196m) - it happens more than you'd think.

Solo beat Rogue One for me. I think RO had beautiful designs and many other positive features, but I just don't care about Jyn or Cassian. They were the most dull characters in their own movie, which kept me from getting too invested in what was happening throughout.

Yeah, the fun/humorous character set from Solo in the world of RO would have been a really nice balance. RO is such a humorless slog filled with sweaty, unshaven people who look like they might end their lives at any moment. It does, however, have the world/story of the OT in full view, which Solo needed some of.

We are witnessing the birth of a new phenomenon.

The birth of...

The SWSJW...

THE STAR WARS SOCIAL JUSTIC WARRIOR

They will fight the battle against Disney shills. They will download movies...FOR FREEEEEEEE(dom). They will make sure Disney doesn’t see ONE RED CENT from their filthy acquisition of Lucasfilm. They will post endless links to angry SWSJW youtubers.

Salute them. Shake hands with them. Just wash your hands afterwards.

:fireworks:flag:flag :fireworks

I dunno - when you're talking about the now-largest media conglomerate in the world - a single company controlling nearly all the biggest franchises and pretty soon up to 40% of all media revenue (B.O., streaming, broadcast,) running roughshod over theater owners (demanding 65% from theaters instead of 50%, requiring 4 week plays regardless of B.O. - big losses for little guys over TLJ) and franchisees (demanding 20%, not the normal 10%) - getting a bit Rebellion on it, by downtrodden, insulted (called racist, sexist, intolerant, resistant to change neckbeards) fans really isn't something that should be mocked.

And... frankly, my gut says that in 15-20 years, it will be the "rebel" fans who battled the Disney SW Empire that will turn out to have been right - and will be victorious. That the ST and Rian's Travesty/Trilogy will have faded into obscurity, their billions in brand-driven-hype revenue no help in stopping the plunge into the abyss of time.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Pretty sure only reason Disney is caring about Solo is mainly the Fox deal. Sure Solo is underperforming, but Comcast potentially throwing an all-cash bid plus a bad B.O right now with Solo. I doubt KK is getting sent to the gallows on one bad movie. Plus this movie sets it up for a sequel (which I actually would like to see).
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

So will KK attend SW celebration next year or keep a low profile instead? If she does will she get boo'd out of the building worse than Vince McMahon got on a late nineties episode of Raw?

Oh man, imagine if she plays up the heel role and announces who she's killing off next in episode 9. Fans will try and storm the stage. :lol

Who? They already killed everyone off, Han dead, Luke Dead, Leia (Actor dead)... What next they gonna bring back Lando? Lobot? Wedge? This franchise died before it began since Disney acquired it. And say what you will about Jurassic Whirl, but today I was in Wal*Mart and a kid was Super Excited to see new Jurassic World toys than vs Star Wars... I smiled because the hype over Dinosaurs has outweighed the bad Space Operas. He even knew what day it was coming out as I overheard him talk to his parents. Sadly I saw his dad playing with knock off lightsabers trying to get his attention, but he ignored him and kept talking about JP. :lol

The AGE of the Dinosaurs are back :yess:
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Pretty sure only reason Disney is caring about Solo is mainly the Fox deal. Sure Solo is underperforming, but Comcast potentially throwing an all-cash bid plus a bad B.O right now with Solo. I doubt KK is getting sent to the gallows on one bad movie. Plus this movie sets it up for a sequel (which I actually would like to see).

Yeah, at least the hypothetical Solo sequel would have a villain in Jabba as set up at the end. There was a significant lack of true villains in Solo and it seems like maybe they were too shy regarding Fett, Greedo and Jabba - they were expected, it would have been "groan-fan-service" but the movie in the end likely would have been better in the villain department with them, and there were ways you could include them with it being cool and not groan-inducing. Just seems like given tehir imagined history a Jabba vs Han plotline might have yielded more conflict.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Pretty sure only reason Disney is caring about Solo is mainly the Fox deal. Sure Solo is underperforming, but Comcast potentially throwing an all-cash bid plus a bad B.O right now with Solo. I doubt KK is getting sent to the gallows on one bad movie. Plus this movie sets it up for a sequel (which I actually would like to see).

Wanna bet? She's PR nightmare... she hasn't shown her face in public display. Her dismal and lack of control of her employees ie: Pablo Hidalgo, Johnathan Kasdan on twitter and her objectivity of political pandering has drove not only fans but general audience from Star Wars. And to be honest SW Celebration if any of the non-lackies go might be a damn fan war (in Chicago of all places...)



^ If this doesn't happen it'll be a blessing... Just replace the Trekkies with ST Fans and there ya go.
 
Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

is this a problem every summer? what about last year?

The economy isn’t the same every summer silly...

Neither is consumer confidence ,which is very much a signal of how much disposible income people are willing to part with

But I was surprised by BR2049 flopping as well....

Its very surprising to me that Solo os not doing better. Its got a good word of mouth and a fun summer movie.


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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

All the planets lined up perfectly against Solo.

Lets see shall we.

Kennedy (and Rian) pissing off a very large % of conservative SW fans who are riding a substantially popular post election wave with her forced feminism (ie; Mary Sue Rey, Holdo, Rose, L3)
Post election wave against giant liberal media companies including Disney and RT being grouped into fake media establishments.
TLJ plot not being what Abrams set up.
Perceived mishandling of OT character arcs.
Kennedy very poor relationship with directors and writers.
Han unceremoniously killed off
Harrison Ford constant berating of SW.
Hamill constant anti conservative comments.
Hamill constant public comments on TLJ.
Solo movie without Ford.
No one asking for a Solo movie.
Alden being hired and not that popular Youtube kid clone of Ford.
Acting coach rumors.
Hiring of poor reputation Ron Howard.
Boycott against Lucasfilm.
Lack of Jedis in Solo.
Battlefront 2 game controversy lingering.
Moving Solo from December next to DP2 and IW (seriously wtf)


No way in hell was Solo NOT going to crash and burn.

Even if only half of that list was accurate it would still be destructive.

The irony of it all, Solo was good :lol
 
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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Ep IX is doomed...search your feeling, you know it to be true.
 
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