Solo: A Star Wars Story

[jye4ever]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I've never seen so much hatred, period, online. We currently live in a culture where a large percentage of the population is absolutely addicted to outrage. The vitriol for a film as well done (even conceding that it's a mixed bag overall) and ultimately harmless as TLJ is simply absurd.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I bought every Starlog, Fantastic Films, Famous Monsters etc etc. mag, and got Bantha Tracks and the offcial fan club experience plus interacted with multiple SW fan groups both local and international (with newsletters,) from 1978 through to the mid 1980's. It's bs and insulting to see people trying to weave this lie.

OMG.... you're me.

I've never seen so much hatred, period, online. We currently live in a culture where a large percentage of the population is absolutely addicted to outrage. The vitriol for a film as well done (even conceding that it's a mixed bag overall) and ultimately harmless as TLJ is simply absurd.

I blame the internet.

It was supposed to open the world to everyone... instead, everyone simply closed off into their little corners and from there shouted and screamed at everyone else who passes by.

The internet gave a voice to people who should never have been heard.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

OMG.... you're me.

I'm sure this is going to eventually evolve into "SW fandom in the OT days was rife with pedophilia and some fan events were co-hosted by the KKK."

THAT will finally definitively explain why many "fans" hated TLJ.

I blame the internet.

It was supposed to open the world to everyone... instead, everyone simply closed off into their little corners and from there shouted and screamed at everyone else who passes by.

The internet gave a voice to people who should never have been heard.

Wow.

There was a time when you had to be vetted - have a college degree, have risen through your industry's ranks, been elected, gotten awards - in order to have a very wide audience to speak to. Those days are gone, along with ANY vetting whatsoever. In some cases, it seems to be reverse vetting.

The seething rage against KK and social media bagdering of RJ (though yeah, he does seem to be enjoying it) - and even many of the anti-TLJ youtube videos - are way too far for me, but to say that TLJ is even a good film (empirically, in comparison to other good films,) to me personally is just laughable. Certain parts - green milk, Leia Poppins, the slo-mo "chase", the Hux slapstick, the daft logic of the whole force projection sequence - are just stupidity incarnate to me, SW or otherwise, before you even get to views on Luke.

It's a bad film, and film that dragged a film hero of mine through a session with Dirty Mike and the boys in the back of a Prius, but I don't want to hurt somebody over it, or help destroy their careers (disclaimer - I have met KK, certain involved execs at Disney, and a few above-the-liners from recent SW films.) Raging here among the cacophony of unvetted voices will do just fine.

 

[crows]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

OMG.... you're me.




I blame the internet.

It was supposed to open the world to everyone... instead, everyone simply closed off into their little corners and from there shouted and screamed at everyone else who passes by.

The internet gave a voice to people who should never have been heard.

I blame the anmoying orange.

 

[Franken Berry]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I've never seen so much hatred, period, online. We currently live in a culture where a large percentage of the population is absolutely addicted to outrage.

I agree. However, you lost me here:

The vitriol for a film as well done (even conceding that it's a mixed bag overall) and ultimately harmless as TLJ is simply absurd.

The film is neither well done, nor is it harmless. It's transparent propaganda that, in my view, destroys a mythology at the core of modern western culture. The controversy that it caused results in further propaganda in the media, from Disney shills or critics on the defensive for their praise of the film, as TaliBane suggests. The film adds fuel to the fire in a culture that, as you rightly suggest, is currently filled with hate.

 

[Franken Berry]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Well now that we know what they are how can you not love them

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I need help lol

If this actually happened in ROTJ, it would've been the greatest film ever made.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Ghostbusters would like to have a word with you my sir.

At least that film wasn't sold as a present day continuation of the GB story with Venkman and Stantz as major characters depicted in a dismissive, insulting way (contrary to everything we knew about their characters) solely designed to mock what they stood for and kill them off for the sake of brand expediency.

 

[Franken Berry]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I blame the internet.

It was supposed to open the world to everyone... instead, everyone simply closed off into their little corners and from there shouted and screamed at everyone else who passes by.

The internet gave a voice to people who should never have been heard.

I disagree. I think the internet is illuminating serious problems with our education system. People don't know how to use reason. They get offended by opinions that differ from their own, instead of being critical. I'm hoping the current outrage culture will eventually result in a backlash toward all the hate, that doesn't involve censorship. We'll see. If our culture starts dealing with these tantrums, maybe the internet will help us evolve by holding up a mirror.

 

[e30ernest]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I think the hatred of this film is magnified by a very vocal dissenting fan-base stuck in an echo-chamber called the internet.

The film is neither well done, nor is it harmless. It's transparent propaganda that, in my view, destroys a mythology at the core of modern western culture. The controversy that it caused results in further propaganda in the media, from Disney shills or critics on the defensive for their praise of the film, as TaliBane suggests. The film adds fuel to the fire in a culture that, as you rightly suggest, is currently filled with hate.

Must be a USA thing, since many of the people I know (who aren't from the USA) do not see propaganda in it.

For me personally, I liked TLJ more than TFA. Mostly because I thought of TFA as nothing more but a weak re-hash of ANH with the sole purpose of tugging at the nostalgia strings. TLJ had many flaws, but I never saw propaganda as one of them.

Again, this is probably because of how politics in the USA is shaped based on what I learned from people here last week.

 

[crows]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

At least that film wasn't sold as a present day continuation of the GB story with Venkman and Stantz as major characters depicted in a dismissive, insulting way (contrary to everything we knew about their characters) solely designed to mock what they stood for and kill them off for the sake of brand expediency.

Khev said he never saw hate like this online

So he clearly never saw the hate that movie got. That was WAY worse than the star wars hate

 

[greedo737]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

For me personally, I liked TLJ more than TFA. Mostly because I thought of TFA as nothing more but a weak re-hash of ANH with the sole purpose of tugging at the nostalgia strings.

TLJ is just a rehash of ESB and RotJ with green milk from the **** of a sea cow.

 

[e30ernest]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

TLJ is just a rehash of ESB and RotJ with green milk from the **** of a sea cow.

To be fair, this is probably exactly how the pitch meeting for those movies went:





I still think that TFA made just as many mistakes if not as bad mistakes as TLJ.

 

[Khev]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

The internet gave a voice to people who should never have been heard.

Isn't that the truth.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I think the toxic hatred of this film is magnified by a very vocal tiny dissenting so-called "fan-base" stuck in an intolerant echo-chamber called the internet.

It just needed a few little tweaks. Now it's perfect and ready to be disseminated out into the echo chamber.

 

[e30ernest]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

It just needed a few little tweaks. Now it's perfect and ready to be disseminated out into the echo chamber.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Starlog was a fairly hardcore sci-fi/Trekkie mag (remember, this was just a decade after ST's original debut) largely run by Trekkies who hated SW from day one, but HAD to extensively cover it (and put it on cover after cover after cover) because it sold mags more than ST did at the time.

Columnist David Gerrold (Trek/sci-fi writer) - the heart and soul of Starlog for over a decade, until 1987 - was the guy who infamously went through SW/ANH listing out all the stupid scientific improbabilities (later the same for ESB) and simply never "got" SW at all. And yes, he often elicited reactions from fans in the letter sections.

And Ewoks were indeed bad in 1983, and widely maligned by fans at that time, but if you think it triggered widespread rage against ROTJ, a "fans vs haters" battle, people saying their childhood had been raped or "I'm done with SW" - or even close to those extreme reactions - you need your head examined.

This hyperbole about things being so divisive and angry and "two sides" back in the days of SW, ESB and ROTJ - a way to try to create the narrative that SW fans are toxic and never satisfied and always were - is such revisionist garbage. I bought every Starlog, Fantastic Films, Famous Monsters etc etc. mag, and got Bantha Tracks and the offcial fan club experience plus interacted with multiple SW fan groups both local and international (with newsletters,) from 1978 through to the mid 1980's. It's bs and insulting to see people trying to weave this lie.

The intention of all of this is simple: journalists are desperately trying to "normalize" the extreme fan reaction to TLJ by creating a narrative that a large percentage of "SW fans" have had toxic/hateful reactions ALL the films (including OT) - and each other - from day one. And... that's a lie.

Well like I said I was too young. But, again, you’re basically just positing your personal experience and opinion as the truth and everything else as hyperbolic spin. No way to really counter that.

My own experience is that SW online fandom has been largely negative since 2000. TLJ probably edging out TPM but that’s not surprising considering the evolution of social media.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I disagree. I think the internet is illuminating serious problems with our education system. People don't know how to use reason. They get offended by opinions that differ from their own, instead of being critical. I'm hoping the current outrage culture will eventually result in a backlash toward all the hate, that doesn't involve censorship. We'll see. If our culture starts dealing with these tantrums, maybe the internet will help us evolve by holding up a mirror.

You may want to read “Candle in the Dark” by the amazing Carl Sagan....


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Franken Berry]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

You may want to read “Candle in the Dark” by the amazing Carl Sagan....

Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

You mean Demon Haunted World by the amazing Carl Sagan! I agree. Thanks for the recommendation. I'd also recommend The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch. Also, check out his Ted Talk. I love the Star Wars OT, because it gave people a sense of wonder and brought us together... Like science!

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

You mean Demon Haunted World by the amazing Carl Sagan! I agree. Thanks for the recommendation. I'd also recommend The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch. Also, check out his Ted Talk. I lovethe Star Wars OT, because it gave people a sense of wonder and brought us together... Like science!

 

[Franken Berry]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

You don't think the original trilogy brought people together?